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Post by miltonstokienew on Nov 1, 2016 0:40:49 GMT
Thought he was shit personally. Apart from a couple of shots and a couple long balls, thought we really missed Cameron's athleticism in the midfield today. They were allowed FAR to much time on the ball. What game were you watching?!!!! No words
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 1, 2016 8:18:06 GMT
Charlie always starts the season on the bench but finds his way into the team and proves his value time and time again.
I do hate some of the boo-boys like Bayern with his open agenda against certain players.
Hes a top professional who is happy to bide his time on the bench and doesnt make a fuss. He looks like a pub player but that just makes him more charming to me. My personal cult hero at Stoke and I love to watch him in action. Some fans just have no romance in their sole if they dont like watching Charlie Adam pinging shots in from 30 yards
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2016 8:21:42 GMT
Charlie always starts the season on the bench but finds his way into the team and proves his value time and time again. I do hate some of the boo-boys like Bayern with his open agenda against certain players. Hes a top professional who is happy to bide his time on the bench and doesnt make a fuss. He looks like a pub player but that just makes him more charming to me. My personal cult hero at Stoke and I love to watch him in action. Some fans just have no romance in their sole if they dont like watching Charlie Adam pinging shots in from 30 yards No agenda and for the very reasons you state I want to like him but just can't for the stupid things he does and should know better not to do. Last night he showed everything that makes him so frustrating a player to watch.
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Post by ryan4england on Nov 1, 2016 8:23:48 GMT
Again proving he is criminaly underused.
Passing 10, shooting 10, fitness 6 to be expected when he's not getting games.
Time to start giving him regular games dario, charles is one of our best players.
Big part in one goal, 2 shots hitting the frame. Not bad for a fatty without match fitness & sharpness.
Proper classy footballer, even when he's half fit through lack of matches. He'd be shit hot if he played regular and got fit/sharp through playing
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 1, 2016 8:34:51 GMT
First half we saw the best and worst of him. Hell of a shot on him and some nice interplay in the final third. Willingness to shoot, which is a rarity in our side, brought the first goal, involved nicely in the second too after the break.
But positionally first half he was all over the place and the gaps we left were frightening. Ki was controlling the middle and our shape was non-existent. When you're missing Geoff Cameron like the deserts miss the rain then something, somewhere, is seriously wrong.
Sparky must have pointed this out at half time as he was much more disciplined and composed in the second half.
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Post by superheroantonius on Nov 1, 2016 8:37:46 GMT
He has a sublime left foot.
He's not fit
Imo, When teams come to sit deep and defend their 18 yard line ( perhaps in the cup) he's a good option
Those tactics work against teams who try and play through you
Not so clever against Lampard Gerrard Adam players happy to shoot from outside the box.
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Post by ryan4england on Nov 1, 2016 8:44:11 GMT
He's worth 8 to 10 goals a season with his shooting and passing.
Another Allen playing in whelans role is whats needed with bags of energy.
To think there were rumours of selling adam to burnley for pence and purchasing imbula for 18 mill. Ouch. A fit adam with match sharpness and games is a 10 m + player.
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Post by alster on Nov 1, 2016 8:47:29 GMT
He was owrate, owrate, owrate as you crazy bastards say. Going forward, masterful. He hit the post so many times with that wonderful left foot, but fair criticism. He needs to get stuck in a lil more defensively and Whelan too, there was way to much ball watching for my liking first half. No thanks it tends not to go well when he "gets stuck in a bit more". I was fustrated last night as both teams stood off each other far too much, its not my sort of football but I was pleased Charlie wasn't his normal self giving stupid free kicks away left right and centre. I'll admit I feared the worst when I saw he was starting but it was ill founded.
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Post by stokiejohnss on Nov 1, 2016 8:49:37 GMT
I love to see Charlie playing , we have no other player with his range of passing his shooting from outside the box. Let others do the donkey work and leave Charlie to entertain us. While I'm at it he's looking fitter too!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2016 8:51:25 GMT
He was owrate, owrate, owrate as you crazy bastards say. Going forward, masterful. He hit the post so many times with that wonderful left foot, but fair criticism. He needs to get stuck in a lil more defensively and Whelan too, there was way to much ball watching for my liking first half. No thanks it tends not to go well when he "gets stuck in a bit more". I was fustrated last night as both teams stood off each other far too much, its not my sort of football but I was pleased Charlie wasn't his normal self giving stupid free kicks away left right and centre. I'll admit I feared the worst when I saw he was starting but it was ill founded. He didn't get close enough to the opposition for that to happen though! Part of the whole midfield going AWOL off the ball issue.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 1, 2016 8:58:10 GMT
Charlie always starts the season on the bench but finds his way into the team and proves his value time and time again. I do hate some of the boo-boys like Bayern with his open agenda against certain players. Hes a top professional who is happy to bide his time on the bench and doesnt make a fuss. He looks like a pub player but that just makes him more charming to me. My personal cult hero at Stoke and I love to watch him in action. Some fans just have no romance in their sole if they dont like watching Charlie Adam pinging shots in from 30 yards No agenda and for the very reasons you state I want to like him but just can't for the stupid things he does and should know better not to do. Last night he showed everything that makes him so frustrating a player to watch. Most modern footballers in midfield are athletes first and footballers second. Charlie is a proper throw-back to the 70s era, his left-foot is so good to watch. Sometimes you just need to appreciate what he brings instead of worrying about all the negatives. I guess I have rose-tinted specs when it comes to Charlie. I can see he has bad points but he's just too likeable to knock him
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 1, 2016 8:58:24 GMT
I dont get why his game gets micro analysed far more than any others. I thought the main negative/learning from last night (if we must have one after a handsome vivtory)is the desperate need to upgrade our full backs
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Post by alster on Nov 1, 2016 8:58:27 GMT
No thanks it tends not to go well when he "gets stuck in a bit more". I was fustrated last night as both teams stood off each other far too much, its not my sort of football but I was pleased Charlie wasn't his normal self giving stupid free kicks away left right and centre. I'll admit I feared the worst when I saw he was starting but it was ill founded. He didn't get close enough to the opposition for that to happen though! Part of the whole midfield going AWOL off the ball issue. Dunno it was like both teams had made a truce in the tunnel before the game, combative it was definitely not.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2016 9:06:53 GMT
No agenda and for the very reasons you state I want to like him but just can't for the stupid things he does and should know better not to do. Last night he showed everything that makes him so frustrating a player to watch. Most modern footballers in midfield are athletes first and footballers second. Charlie is a proper throw-back to the 70s era, his left-foot is so good to watch. Sometimes you just need to appreciate what he brings instead of worrying about all the negatives. I guess I have rose-tinted specs when it comes to Charlie. I can see he has bad points but he's just too likeable to knock him I can't though, the negative for me are just so big. How he wastes the ball, the stupid tackles, the lack of fitness and the really stupid stuff like that free kick when Indi was off getting treatment and he played Swansea in. He makes me mad. But I do think it is made worse because his left foot is so good and his shooting is so good. His passing I can live without. So yeah I can see why people love him and I want to be there myself and I've tried so damn hard to do it. But then he will do something like that free kick and it just sets me off.
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Post by ryan4england on Nov 1, 2016 9:22:19 GMT
Adam would also work well in a 5-3-2 WB system as the creator & furthest forward of the 3 with allen & cameron behind, as would imbula.
Bony & bojan up front, what we need are 2 quality fullbacks tgat can get up, down & cross for a very good plan b.
Adam made his name for blackpool in the premiership by playing that role in a 3
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2016 9:35:03 GMT
I dont get why his game gets micro analysed far more than any others. I thought the main negative/learning from last night (if we must have one after a handsome vivtory)is the desperate need to upgrade our full backs One of which that would do a good job for us played for the opposition last night! The other one is currently at Spurs.
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Post by Robo10 on Nov 1, 2016 9:41:23 GMT
I made a jokey observation last night that I would play Adam at left back - given Pieters up and mainly down form of late, and being the worst crosser of a ball in the Premier League, or to be honest any league in the world including kids football
Pieters defending is proper dodgy of late, so just imagine if Charles could convert and you could have him pinging balls in from behind Arnie, pinpoint onto Bonys head.
Spraying the ball from left back to Shaq (a la Higgy to Lenny)
Inch perfect balls from defence to attack
And not kicking the ball out of play at every opportunity, giving up possession, or wrestling players to the ground several times like the current incumbant.....
I reckon he could do it tbh, he may lack pace but his football brain is brilliant, he sees passes others dont, he finds space under pressure when others (Whelan!) dont, retains the ball well.
Reckon Charlie will go on to be a fantastic manager after he hangs up his boots, seems the sort.
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 1, 2016 9:44:54 GMT
Most modern footballers in midfield are athletes first and footballers second. Charlie is a proper throw-back to the 70s era, his left-foot is so good to watch. Sometimes you just need to appreciate what he brings instead of worrying about all the negatives. I guess I have rose-tinted specs when it comes to Charlie. I can see he has bad points but he's just too likeable to knock him I can't though, the negative for me are just so big. How he wastes the ball, the stupid tackles, the lack of fitness and the really stupid stuff like that free kick when Indi was off getting treatment and he played Swansea in. He makes me mad. But I do think it is made worse because his left foot is so good and his shooting is so good. His passing I can live without. So yeah I can see why people love him and I want to be there myself and I've tried so damn hard to do it. But then he will do something like that free kick and it just sets me off. Yeah your right, he's got huge flaws in his game but to me it's undeniable that we look far more likely to score when he is on the park. In a team that traditionally struggles to score goals, that makes him useful in the squad at the very least.
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 1, 2016 9:47:32 GMT
I made a jokey observation last night that I would play Adam at left back - given Pieters up and mainly down form of late, and being the worst crosser of a ball in the Premier League, or to be honest any league in the world including kids football Pieters defending is proper dodgy of late, so just imagine if Charles could convert and you could have him pinging balls in from behind Arnie, pinpoint onto Bonys head. Spraying the ball from left back to Shaq (a la Higgy to Lenny) Inch perfect balls from defence to attack And not kicking the ball out of play at every opportunity, giving up possession, or wrestling players to the ground several times like the current incumbant..... I reckon he could do it tbh, he may lack pace but his football brain is brilliant, he sees passes others dont, he finds space under pressure when others (Whelan!) dont, retains the ball well. Reckon Charlie will go on to be a fantastic manager after he hangs up his boots, seems the sort. Bonkers suggestion!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2016 9:48:34 GMT
I made a jokey observation last night that I would play Adam at left back - given Pieters up and mainly down form of late, and being the worst crosser of a ball in the Premier League, or to be honest any league in the world including kids football Pieters defending is proper dodgy of late, so just imagine if Charles could convert and you could have him pinging balls in from behind Arnie, pinpoint onto Bonys head. Spraying the ball from left back to Shaq (a la Higgy to Lenny) Inch perfect balls from defence to attack And not kicking the ball out of play at every opportunity, giving up possession, or wrestling players to the ground several times like the current incumbant..... I reckon he could do it tbh, he may lack pace but his football brain is brilliant, he sees passes others dont, he finds space under pressure when others (Whelan!) dont, retains the ball well. Reckon Charlie will go on to be a fantastic manager after he hangs up his boots, seems the sort. Apart from the lack of pace, discipline and ability to tackle it's a good shout.
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 1, 2016 9:50:28 GMT
I made a jokey observation last night that I would play Adam at left back - given Pieters up and mainly down form of late, and being the worst crosser of a ball in the Premier League, or to be honest any league in the world including kids football Pieters defending is proper dodgy of late, so just imagine if Charles could convert and you could have him pinging balls in from behind Arnie, pinpoint onto Bonys head. Spraying the ball from left back to Shaq (a la Higgy to Lenny) Inch perfect balls from defence to attack And not kicking the ball out of play at every opportunity, giving up possession, or wrestling players to the ground several times like the current incumbant..... I reckon he could do it tbh, he may lack pace but his football brain is brilliant, he sees passes others dont, he finds space under pressure when others (Whelan!) dont, retains the ball well. Reckon Charlie will go on to be a fantastic manager after he hangs up his boots, seems the sort. Apart from the lack of pace, discipline and ability to tackle it's a good shout. And chronic lack of fitness
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Post by Robo10 on Nov 1, 2016 10:00:41 GMT
Do you feel Pieters is playing much better?
I cringe when he lines up a cross. Its embarrassing that a professional footballer cant put a simple 20 yard cross into the box - its all I would make him do in training! And currently he doesnt make a tackle either!
And Charlie wont be fit until he can get 5 or 6 games under his belt, playing 10 mins here and there wont make anyone match sharp - I thought he did well last night, his range of passing and vision is something else.
And on the discipline side, think you are being harsh - he is fighting his natural urge to go forward in the DCM role, but I thought he was effective against two decent players in Siggurdson and Ki.
He prob isnt a left back, but it would be criminal to not have that positive, forward thinking passing in the side somewhere.
I was slating Whelan again last night for his negative sideways/backwards passing again, then he put THAT pass through to Ramadan so I shut up lol
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Post by cousindupree on Nov 1, 2016 10:07:35 GMT
I am baffled at the love in with Ki, neat and tidy player but as someone pointed out rough him up and he goes missing. Comments that Swansea totally controlled the midfield is a touch bizarre as they could easily have been 4-1 down at half time. If that's us letting the opposition dominate midfield then happy to see that repeated. Charlie isn't the answer against the top sides or even away but last nights game was perfect for him. I do smile at the 'experts' on here micro analysing Charlie's negatives, we have all seen enough of him and know what he can and can't do. He brings variety to a midfield full of floaty no10's. Why we would need to add to that with Ki who at best is on a par with Afellay is odd. Top man is Charlie and should always be in the match day squad
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Post by sonichuth on Nov 1, 2016 10:09:13 GMT
Has great feet, but he can't run on them.
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Post by mailman44 on Nov 1, 2016 11:09:21 GMT
Charlie Adam: match winner
End of
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2016 11:41:15 GMT
Do you feel Pieters is playing much better? I cringe when he lines up a cross. Its embarrassing that a professional footballer cant put a simple 20 yard cross into the box - its all I would make him do in training! And currently he doesnt make a tackle either! And Charlie wont be fit until he can get 5 or 6 games under his belt, playing 10 mins here and there wont make anyone match sharp - I thought he did well last night, his range of passing and vision is something else. And on the discipline side, think you are being harsh - he is fighting his natural urge to go forward in the DCM role, but I thought he was effective against two decent players in Siggurdson and Ki. He prob isnt a left back, but it would be criminal to not have that positive, forward thinking passing in the side somewhere. I was slating Whelan again last night for his negative sideways/backwards passing again, then he put THAT pass through to Ramadan so I shut up lol Pieters was atrocious last night but that has no bearing on the merits of Charlie Adam at left back. It brings Muni and potentially Taylor into play but Adam?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 1, 2016 11:49:32 GMT
Do you feel Pieters is playing much better? I cringe when he lines up a cross. Its embarrassing that a professional footballer cant put a simple 20 yard cross into the box - its all I would make him do in training! And currently he doesnt make a tackle either! And Charlie wont be fit until he can get 5 or 6 games under his belt, playing 10 mins here and there wont make anyone match sharp - I thought he did well last night, his range of passing and vision is something else. And on the discipline side, think you are being harsh - he is fighting his natural urge to go forward in the DCM role, but I thought he was effective against two decent players in Siggurdson and Ki. He prob isnt a left back, but it would be criminal to not have that positive, forward thinking passing in the side somewhere. I was slating Whelan again last night for his negative sideways/backwards passing again, then he put THAT pass through to Ramadan so I shut up lol Pieters was atrocious last night but that has no bearing on the merits of Charlie Adam at left back. It brings Muni and potentially Taylor into play but Adam? Pieters was not atrocious. He never gave their winger a kick. He had a mad 5 minutes in 2nd half but he was far from atrocious.
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Post by Robo10 on Nov 1, 2016 11:49:46 GMT
I want him in the team.
People at the club and on the coaches from Knype were grumbling when they saw him in the team last night, I defended him before the game as I love Charlie to bits, and he is one of the most positive players we have.
As somebody says above, he is a matchwinner, gets into great shooting positions and I expect him to hit the target generally, he has lost a bit of pud looking at him last night, kept up for 90 mins, but he wont have that full match fitness without games.
I worry for Bojan the same, as it will take him 3-4 games to get up to speed when he returns, and some in the crowd wont afford that luxury.
Charlie is too 'indisciplined' and 'slow', Bojan is too 'lightweight' and 'scarred of injury', Cameron is 'championship' and a 'liability', Imbula is a 'waste of space', Arnie is a 'mardarse', Shaq is 'lazy', Bony is a 'useless lump', Shawcross is 'past his best', Pieters, Whelan, Bardo yada yada yada - I dont know why some of you bother coming just to moan!
I thought he was ace and deserves to keep his spot, and well done to all the lads on another 3 points. Even the ones who didnt play that well :-)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2016 11:52:23 GMT
Pieters was atrocious last night but that has no bearing on the merits of Charlie Adam at left back. It brings Muni and potentially Taylor into play but Adam? Pieters was not atrocious. He never gave their winger a kick. He had a mad 5 minutes in 2nd half but he was far from atrocious. He was awful. He got done a number of times in the first half, their left winger being a woeful footballer got us out of jail. And then there was two moments in the second half (one captured in the Shawcross thread) where he couldn't make his mind up what to do, got caught in no mans land and the player was in behind him. And then the penalty shout. Why didn't he just boot it? I love Pieters to bits but last night he was crap.
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Post by Robo10 on Nov 1, 2016 11:55:09 GMT
Dave his crossing is utterly dreadful, and he spent more time wrestling last night than defending - their winger was utter garbage as well!
Never seen a winger trip himself up and kick the ball out of play 3-4 times in one half before, it was comical!
I like Erik, I like how he links up with Arnie, I've met him and he is a proper decent bloke, but his form has been off for 12 months nearly. He also gave the ball away a lot last night with misplaced passes or overhit attempts - maybe the new partnership with Sobhi needs some time to bed and read each others game.
But that crossing is a real bug bear of mine!
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