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Post by peterthornesboots on Oct 23, 2016 22:16:36 GMT
We also got Joe Allen ... Swings and round-a-bouts! So it's taken 31m and we still haven't actually replaced him effectively. Don't get your point. My point was a generic "you win some, lose some" with regards to transfers.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 23, 2016 22:18:54 GMT
So it's taken 31m and we still haven't actually replaced him effectively. Don't get your point. My point was a generic "you win some, lose some" with regards to transfers. Ah ok. You've got to make sure your 18m can do what you want him to do before you sign him surely? I can't believe Imbula once had a defensive side to his game that has suddenly disappeared.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Oct 23, 2016 22:25:02 GMT
My point was a generic "you win some, lose some" with regards to transfers. Ah ok. You've got to make sure your 18m can do what you want him to do before you sign him surely? I can't believe Imbula once had a defensive side to his game that has suddenly disappeared. I'm not quite sure what to make of his signing. Going forward he is great, especially when he drives forward with the ball, but defensively he is all at sea. I can only assume that the intensity of the game and the pace of transitions in possession have caught him out. But having said that he's had a good eight months in this country and he looked worse than ever. I assume that Hughes wanted us to play a DMF (Whelan) a box to box CMF (Imbula) and a AMF (Bojan) in midfield. I can't imagine Peter Coates splashing that amount of money on a player without the management having a clear idea of where he fits into the side?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 23, 2016 22:44:42 GMT
Ah ok. You've got to make sure your 18m can do what you want him to do before you sign him surely? I can't believe Imbula once had a defensive side to his game that has suddenly disappeared. I'm not quite sure what to make of his signing. Going forward he is great, especially when he drives forward with the ball, but defensively he is all at sea. I can only assume that the intensity of the game and the pace of transitions in possession have caught him out. But having said that he's had a good eight months in this country and he looked worse than ever. I assume that Hughes wanted us to play a DMF (Whelan) a box to box CMF (Imbula) and a AMF (Bojan) in midfield. I can't imagine Peter Coates splashing that amount of money on a player without the management having a clear idea of where he fits into the side? Oh I agree, I'm questioning that judgement though. The head scout tweeted at the end of the summer window that he was sad to see Wolly and Joselu leave. And I bet he bloody was!!! Lasted less than 12 months and if your record signing is in the same vein then from head scout to manager should be shitting themselves. 26.5m in those 3 players. That said I think Imbula will be given time. If Hughes values his job he's going to have to be given time. And indeed with Allen I think they did exactly that (just signed him because he was available).
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Post by Gods on Oct 23, 2016 22:48:34 GMT
I'm not quite sure what to make of his signing. Going forward he is great, especially when he drives forward with the ball, but defensively he is all at sea. I can only assume that the intensity of the game and the pace of transitions in possession have caught him out. But having said that he's had a good eight months in this country and he looked worse than ever. I assume that Hughes wanted us to play a DMF (Whelan) a box to box CMF (Imbula) and a AMF (Bojan) in midfield. I can't imagine Peter Coates splashing that amount of money on a player without the management having a clear idea of where he fits into the side? Oh I agree, I'm questioning that judgement though. The head scout tweeted at the end of the summer window that he was sad to see Wolly and Joselu leave. And I bet he bloody was!!! Lasted less than 12 months and if your record signing is in the same vein then from head scout to manager should be shitting themselves. 26.5m in those 3 players. That said I think Imbula will be given time. If Hughes values his job he's going to have to be given time. And indeed with Allen I think they did exactly that (just signed him because he was available). They haven't actually left have they, that's what worries me!?
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Post by peterthornesboots on Oct 23, 2016 22:51:00 GMT
I'm not quite sure what to make of his signing. Going forward he is great, especially when he drives forward with the ball, but defensively he is all at sea. I can only assume that the intensity of the game and the pace of transitions in possession have caught him out. But having said that he's had a good eight months in this country and he looked worse than ever. I assume that Hughes wanted us to play a DMF (Whelan) a box to box CMF (Imbula) and a AMF (Bojan) in midfield. I can't imagine Peter Coates splashing that amount of money on a player without the management having a clear idea of where he fits into the side? Oh I agree, I'm questioning that judgement though. The head scout tweeted at the end of the summer window that he was sad to see Wolly and Joselu leave. And I bet he bloody was!!! Lasted less than 12 months and if your record signing is in the same vein then from head scout to manager should be shitting themselves. 26.5m in those 3 players. That said I think Imbula will be given time. If Hughes values his job he's going to have to be given time. And indeed with Allen I think they did exactly that (just signed him because he was available). I agree completely that some of our more recent transfer activities raise questions about our scouting ability. Wolly was the ball playing central defender that suited our system, but he was just too damn slow! I actually liked Joselu but Hughes demonstrated a real reluctance to give him a run of games in the team. Especially when you consider his current persistence with Bony (a slightly different debate I know). But the fact that we gave up on both signings so quickly tells you an awful lot about how Hughes came to perceive them. On the flip side of that though, we have brought in the likes of Arnie, Bojan, Shaqiri and Allen. So is it just the nature of modern football (especially with foreign players) that you win some, lose some?
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 23, 2016 22:54:09 GMT
I watched that game he played really well. Well done Zonz.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 23, 2016 23:01:45 GMT
Oh I agree, I'm questioning that judgement though. The head scout tweeted at the end of the summer window that he was sad to see Wolly and Joselu leave. And I bet he bloody was!!! Lasted less than 12 months and if your record signing is in the same vein then from head scout to manager should be shitting themselves. 26.5m in those 3 players. That said I think Imbula will be given time. If Hughes values his job he's going to have to be given time. And indeed with Allen I think they did exactly that (just signed him because he was available). I agree completely that some of our more recent transfer activities raise questions about our scouting ability. Wolly was the ball playing central defender that suited our system, but he was just too damn slow! I actually liked Joselu but Hughes demonstrated a real reluctance to give him a run of games in the team. Especially when you consider his current persistence with Bony (a slightly different debate I know). But the fact that we gave up on both signings so quickly tells you an awful lot about how Hughes came to perceive them. On the flip side of that though, we have brought in the likes of Arnie, Bojan, Shaqiri and Allen. So is it just the nature of modern football (especially with foreign players) that you win some, lose some? Of course it is but these are players that in Hughes' tenure have come at a cost. Arnie and Bojan didn't. Wolly was piss poor at passing imo, he was way too slow at it. And Indi has shown him up in all departments. His passing is light years ahead of Wolly as he sees the pass before he's made it. Wolly dithered. I liked Joselu too but as soon as Crouch signed a new deal (another mental bit of transfer dealings) he wasn't needed. It was a very odd saga as he was clearly a good footballer but Hughes just didn't fancy him. So why sign him? None of it adds up with him. And you do win some, lose some but I'd say bar Shaq, the transfer windows of 2015/16 are lost.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Oct 23, 2016 23:09:35 GMT
I agree completely that some of our more recent transfer activities raise questions about our scouting ability. Wolly was the ball playing central defender that suited our system, but he was just too damn slow! I actually liked Joselu but Hughes demonstrated a real reluctance to give him a run of games in the team. Especially when you consider his current persistence with Bony (a slightly different debate I know). But the fact that we gave up on both signings so quickly tells you an awful lot about how Hughes came to perceive them. On the flip side of that though, we have brought in the likes of Arnie, Bojan, Shaqiri and Allen. So is it just the nature of modern football (especially with foreign players) that you win some, lose some? Of course it is but these are players that in Hughes' tenure have come at a cost. Arnie and Bojan didn't. Wolly was piss poor at passing imo, he was way too slow at it. And Indi has shown him up in all departments. His passing is light years ahead of Wolly as he sees the pass before he's made it. Wolly dithered. I liked Joselu too but as soon as Crouch signed a new deal (another mental bit of transfer dealings) he wasn't needed. It was a very odd saga as he was clearly a good footballer but Hughes just didn't fancy him. So why sign him? None of it adds up with him. And you do win some, lose some but I'd say bar Shaq, the transfer windows of 2015/16 are lost. I guess that we will have to agree to disagree with Wolly. Although I think that we can both come to an accord that he wasn't suited for English football. I'm glad that I'm not the only one that rated Joselu. It just seemed that every time he got into the team last season that he would be dropped after a couple of games. He clearly is a good technical player and knows where the net is - if he was / is given a run of games I'm convinced he would do a decent job. I like Crouch as he offers something completely different from the bench if we are losing or playing against opposition that are fragile in the aerial department. However, again he just hasn't been utilised since signing a new contract, which kind of raises the point of why we offered him a new deal at all? Hughes does seem keen to keep hold our experienced British contingent (maybe for good 'characters' in the dressing room?). I think that Indi and Allen have turned out to be great signings from the summer - but I take your point that we've taken two steps back to move on step forward.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 23, 2016 23:15:00 GMT
We could get a to a point where we want all our players to play crap because if they play well they might get a transfer.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Oct 23, 2016 23:47:46 GMT
Hope he continues to develop. Could be one of the best midfielders in a couple years.
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 24, 2016 0:28:23 GMT
We could get a to a point where we want all our players to play crap because if they play well they might get a transfer. There was certainly an element of this for me every time Begovic made a mistake
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 24, 2016 9:12:19 GMT
Of course it is but these are players that in Hughes' tenure have come at a cost. Arnie and Bojan didn't. Wolly was piss poor at passing imo, he was way too slow at it. And Indi has shown him up in all departments. His passing is light years ahead of Wolly as he sees the pass before he's made it. Wolly dithered. I liked Joselu too but as soon as Crouch signed a new deal (another mental bit of transfer dealings) he wasn't needed. It was a very odd saga as he was clearly a good footballer but Hughes just didn't fancy him. So why sign him? None of it adds up with him. And you do win some, lose some but I'd say bar Shaq, the transfer windows of 2015/16 are lost. I guess that we will have to agree to disagree with Wolly. Although I think that we can both come to an accord that he wasn't suited for English football. I'm glad that I'm not the only one that rated Joselu. It just seemed that every time he got into the team last season that he would be dropped after a couple of games. He clearly is a good technical player and knows where the net is - if he was / is given a run of games I'm convinced he would do a decent job. I like Crouch as he offers something completely different from the bench if we are losing or playing against opposition that are fragile in the aerial department. However, again he just hasn't been utilised since signing a new contract, which kind of raises the point of why we offered him a new deal at all? Hughes does seem keen to keep hold our experienced British contingent (maybe for good 'characters' in the dressing room?). I think that Indi and Allen have turned out to be great signings from the summer - but I take your point that we've taken two steps back to move on step forward. They have but Allen was never needed and still I would argue it's caused more problems than its solved. But he has done well. Indi is a brilliant signing so far. Grant has been good. And Ramadan has been treated terribly so far imo but you can't have everything. So 2016-17 is a lot better so far than 2015-16.
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 24, 2016 9:25:05 GMT
One person directly said it. A couple of others implied they agreed with Werrington. I thought you agreed too with your Huth comment. Love how you are always so pedantic. So they didn't? If though, as you say, there was just a thread saying how well N'zonzi was doing I'm sure that werrington wouldn't have been bothered, it should be celebrated that an ex player is excelling. Yet it doesn't take long into these threads it until it's turned into a dig at Imbula and Hughes by the usual fucktards, like these threads ALWAYS do.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 24, 2016 9:39:34 GMT
One person directly said it. A couple of others implied they agreed with Werrington. I thought you agreed too with your Huth comment. Love how you are always so pedantic. So they didn't? If though, as you say, there was just a thread saying how well N'zonzi was doing I'm sure that werrington wouldn't have been bothered, it should be celebrated that an ex player is excelling. Yet it doesn't take long into these threads it until it's turned into a dig at Imbula and Hughes by the usual fucktards, like these threads ALWAYS do. People actually discussing football. A novel idea wingy.
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 24, 2016 9:42:18 GMT
So they didn't? If though, as you say, there was just a thread saying how well N'zonzi was doing I'm sure that werrington wouldn't have been bothered, it should be celebrated that an ex player is excelling. Yet it doesn't take long into these threads it until it's turned into a dig at Imbula and Hughes by the usual fucktards, like these threads ALWAYS do. People actually discussing football. A novel idea wingy. Hello number one.
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Post by nutterpotter on Oct 24, 2016 9:53:17 GMT
One person directly said it. A couple of others implied they agreed with Werrington. I thought you agreed too with your Huth comment. Love how you are always so pedantic. So they didn't? If though, as you say, there was just a thread saying how well N'zonzi was doing I'm sure that werrington wouldn't have been bothered, it should be celebrated that an ex player is excelling. Yet it doesn't take long into these threads it until it's turned into a dig at Imbula and Hughes by the usual fucktards, like these threads ALWAYS do. That's always going to happen. Current players will be compared to previous players. This year's transfers will be compared to last year's transfers. Comparisons are always made in life whether you like it or not. That's how you judge the success of something.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 24, 2016 9:55:00 GMT
So they didn't? If though, as you say, there was just a thread saying how well N'zonzi was doing I'm sure that werrington wouldn't have been bothered, it should be celebrated that an ex player is excelling. Yet it doesn't take long into these threads it until it's turned into a dig at Imbula and Hughes by the usual fucktards, like these threads ALWAYS do. People actually discussing football. A novel idea wingy. That would be a concept far above his capabilities, who would have thought a football message board being used to discuss footballing matters.
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 24, 2016 10:05:46 GMT
People actually discussing football. A novel idea wingy. That would be a concept far above his capabilities, who would have thought a football message board being used to discuss footballing matters. That's where you're going wrong number 2 (apt hey?). How have you and your poisonous tub of lard friend enjoyed our last 2 victories doofus? Any comment at all?
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 24, 2016 10:16:26 GMT
That would be a concept far above his capabilities, who would have thought a football message board being used to discuss footballing matters. That's where you're going wrong number 2 (apt hey?). How have you and your poisonous tub of lard friend enjoyed our last 2 victories doofus? Any comment at all? Not sure who my tub of lard friend you mention is !, personally I have enjoyed the last two victory's but not as much as the draw at OT, we are looking a better team with some semblance of balance at last, how do you view the progress of our midfield since our record signing has been ditched ? any comment at all ?
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 24, 2016 10:49:38 GMT
So they didn't? If though, as you say, there was just a thread saying how well N'zonzi was doing I'm sure that werrington wouldn't have been bothered, it should be celebrated that an ex player is excelling. Yet it doesn't take long into these threads it until it's turned into a dig at Imbula and Hughes by the usual fucktards, like these threads ALWAYS do. That's always going to happen. Current players will be compared to previous players. This year's transfers will be compared to last year's transfers. Comparisons are always made in life whether you like it or not. That's how you judge the success of something. So it's always going to happen that people object to the subject then if they're sick of reading the same bile.
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 24, 2016 10:52:35 GMT
That's where you're going wrong number 2 (apt hey?). How have you and your poisonous tub of lard friend enjoyed our last 2 victories doofus? Any comment at all? Not sure who my tub of lard friend you mention is !, personally I have enjoyed the last two victory's but not as much as the draw at OT, we are looking a better team with some semblance of balance at last, how do you view the progress of our midfield since our record signing has been ditched ? any comment at all ? Funny that because you've not commented on it before. I'm loving it, not only are stoke winning, but they are making the same dimwits look a bit (more if possible) stupid.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 24, 2016 11:25:13 GMT
Not sure who my tub of lard friend you mention is !, personally I have enjoyed the last two victory's but not as much as the draw at OT, we are looking a better team with some semblance of balance at last, how do you view the progress of our midfield since our record signing has been ditched ? any comment at all ? Funny that because you've not commented on it before. I'm loving it, not only are stoke winning, but they are making the same dimwits look a bit (more if possible) stupid. You asked me the question !, I gave you an honest answer and then you call other posters dimwits , however you are correct since dropping our record signing we are looking much more of a team unit, the old hands have steadied the ship between them.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 24, 2016 11:27:02 GMT
That's always going to happen. Current players will be compared to previous players. This year's transfers will be compared to last year's transfers. Comparisons are always made in life whether you like it or not. That's how you judge the success of something. So it's always going to happen that people object to the subject then if they're sick of reading the same bile. Has anyone forced you to read anything ? let alone reply
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Post by thestokielad on Oct 24, 2016 11:49:50 GMT
Why the fuck did we sell him for 6 million??? In today's market we should have sold him for 25 mil minimum
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Oct 24, 2016 12:19:59 GMT
The best player I've seen at Stoke when it came to receiving the ball under pressure and simply pirouetting away from players and making time for himself.
Fantastic for us and great to see him doing well and going from strength to strength.Should certainly help us in our attempts to attract great players if they realise,as a club that we won't stand in their way should a Champion's League team come in for them after excelling for us.
There's no shame in being a 'stepping stone' as long as you get good service from the player in question.We're still making dog's home style signings,it's just that we're dealing in more exalted pedigrees,(to expand a shite metaphor.
😅.)
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Post by VolvicStokie on Oct 24, 2016 21:42:05 GMT
The best player I've seen at Stoke when it came to receiving the ball under pressure and simply pirouetting away from players and making time for himself. Fantastic for us and great to see him doing well and going from strength to strength.Should certainly help us in our attempts to attract great players if they realise,as a club that we won't stand in their way should a Champion's League team come in for them after excelling for us. There's no shame in being a 'stepping stone' as long as you get good service from the player in question.We're still making dog's home style signings,it's just that we're dealing in more exalted pedigrees,(to expand a shite metaphor. 😅.) Yep. It won't be long before Shaqiri and Arnautovic will attract big teams again Basically Stoke have to try and get in the top 6 or we simply become Southampton. (Sell your best players every year!)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 21:56:55 GMT
What on earth is all this crap about 'oh another N'Zonzi thread'? As far as I can see, the OP was informing us of N'Zonzi's impressive performance and his growth in stature in Spain. No slating of Zonz. No slating of Hughes. No slating of the management team. What's the issue? Did you not know? Any ex player doing well, player we didn't sign doing well or player we do have playing badly is a sign that Hughes/Scholes/Coates/The program sellers are incompetant. Any of the opposite signs, such as Shaqiri's screamers are ignored as irrelevant trivialities. There are still some people who can't quite get over Peter Marteinsson not getting a fair shake of things under Thordarson. (He was good though).
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Post by GrahamHyde on Oct 24, 2016 23:37:32 GMT
Only player to have left stoke and stepped up a level and grown since leaving in last 15 years. One of the best signings we have made in the modern era. Absolutely. I think he's seriously underrated amongst both Stoke fans and general football fans. His ability and confidence on the ball is exceptional.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 7:31:16 GMT
Leicester's hopes of bringing former Stoke midfielder Steven N'Zonzi back to the Premier League have been dented as the 27-year-old has opened contract extension talks with Sevilla. (Leicester Mercury)
Via BBC site
Seems familiar 😇😀
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