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Post by Countydog on Sept 15, 2016 16:20:48 GMT
Some Stoke fans - what an angry blinkered bunch.
Imbula has not had a brilliant start to the season granted. But to make him a scape goat for our current plight is just so far off the mark - he is obviously a victim of the price tag. I think we have far bigger issues to address.
Whelan and Walters are not good enough. Our full backs absolutely are not and at present we look weak in goal.
Yet I keep reading Imbula is to blame. I do not think Imbula has done all that well but he aint the sole reason for our start.
That is nonsense.
A couple of wins and everyone's mood changes - we will beat Palace, I honestly think this but we must all stay together and get off the mans back.
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Post by rosco on Sept 15, 2016 16:24:28 GMT
There's always a scapegoat. Imbula's been poor so he fits the bill at present.
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Post by muglump on Sept 15, 2016 16:26:43 GMT
He has been no better no worse than the rest of that shower. All the players deserve criticism but picking on someone who isn't allowed or able to fight back is called bullying
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Post by RichJonesy on Sept 15, 2016 16:28:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 16:33:51 GMT
Some Stoke fans - what an angry blinkered bunch. Imbula has not had a brilliant start to the season granted. But to make him a scape goat for our current plight is just so far off the mark - he is obviously a victim of the price tag. I think we have far bigger issues to address. Whelan and Walters are not good enough. Our full backs absolutely are not and at present we look weak in goal. Yet I keep reading Imbula is to blame. I do not think Imbula has done all that well but he aint the sole reason for our start. That is nonsense. A couple of wins and everyone's mood changes - we will beat Palace, I honestly think this but we must all stay together and get off the mans back. Couldn't agree more. There's playful jest, and then there's this. Imbula was probably in the better bunch of our performers vs Tottenham. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 15, 2016 16:39:16 GMT
Although I agree he is being witch hunted more than the likes of Whelan (which I find utterly baffling) I cannot accept your comment of "victim of his price tag" because as an £18m player, we should expect him to be the type of player to make more of an impact and drag us through when we're not playing very well as a team. Again I'll say, I'm a fan but do think he needs a few more 90 minute performances instead of the current short glimpses of quality.
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Post by MilanStokie on Sept 15, 2016 16:40:23 GMT
Some Stoke fans - what an angry blinkered bunch. Imbula has not had a brilliant start to the season granted. But to make him a scape goat for our current plight is just so far off the mark - he is obviously a victim of the price tag. I think we have far bigger issues to address. Whelan and Walters are not good enough. Our full backs absolutely are not and at present we look weak in goal. Yet I keep reading Imbula is to blame. I do not think Imbula has done all that well but he aint the sole reason for our start. That is nonsense. A couple of wins and everyone's mood changes - we will beat Palace, I honestly think this but we must all stay together and get off the mans back. Just like a few have singled him out are exaggerating and over the top, reactions such as this are just as bad. The majority of the much deserved criticism of the team at the moment are pointing out the poor performances of Pieters, Whelan, Walters, Cameron and Given just as much as Imbula. I have seen Adam getting stick again, Shawcross is still being questioned over his fitness and even Arnie is being knocked for poor form. I think some people are reading a couple of threads rather than a bigger sample across the message board and are jumping to conclusions. Many fans can clearly see there are multiple issues right now, but hopefully not that are beyond resolve. |
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 15, 2016 16:44:21 GMT
There's always a scapegoat. Imbula's been poor so he fits the bill at present. It is a sad fact but you are right the list of "targets for abuse never ceases to amaze me  It just seems to be in the mentality of some fans. |
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Post by jeycov on Sept 15, 2016 17:09:31 GMT
Although the financial outlay wasn't made for Bojan, some were calling for him to be sent out on loan !!!!
The team are far from firing on all cylinders atm
Imbula may be on the bench at the weekend but he's only been at the club since January so he does need time
Show him some support or he'll be looking to play elsewhere!
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Post by mozzer on Sept 15, 2016 17:13:35 GMT
Some Stoke fans - what an angry blinkered bunch. Imbula has not had a brilliant start to the season granted. But to make him a scape goat for our current plight is just so far off the mark - he is obviously a victim of the price tag. I think we have far bigger issues to address. Whelan and Walters are not good enough. Our full backs absolutely are not and at present we look weak in goal. Yet I keep reading Imbula is to blame. I do not think Imbula has done all that well but he aint the sole reason for our start. That is nonsense. A couple of wins and everyone's mood changes - we will beat Palace, I honestly think this but we must all stay together and get off the mans back. For fuck sake.....give them a break wolfs child has left the club, they have no one else to blame, The people to blame are the management team and the match day 11, combined they managed to make us look like a second rate football club being run by complete fucktards and every one knows that's not true, they know what's expected over the next 4 to 5 weeks and they know the pressures on to deliver, no one person is to blame for this sorry mess and as a collective for getting us in this sorry tub of shit they can get us out of it too |
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 15, 2016 17:18:33 GMT
Imbula is an attacking box to box midfielder and we need to accept that is his strength and as a defender he is pretty naive and weak. Whelan is a defensive midfielder and as such has his good days but against top class opposition can be found wanting as can our FBs.
It seems to me that until we can get an improved replacement for Whelan we need to play him and Cameron in front of the back line, play 4 2 3 1 against top teams, an concentrate on keeping a clean sheet. IMO this means no place for Imbula. Against lesser opposition we could be more adventurous and include Imbula in a poor more attacking strategy. (Edit: maybe that was a Freudian slip!)
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 15, 2016 17:21:42 GMT
Problem is he looks like he can't be arsed to track back, and if there's one thing Stokies will never forgive it's a perceived lack of effort.
Shame because he's absolutely fucking brilliant otherwise.
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Post by steinovschmeichel on Sept 15, 2016 17:25:50 GMT
Just shows you how bad this message board has become. Read it for many years and it's just in fighting and people who believe everything on praise and grumble. If my life weren't so boring I'd stop reading it hahhahaha
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 15, 2016 17:34:14 GMT
His weaknesses have always been there (I discussed them via PM initially because I couldn't be arsed with the reaction I'd get). He needs to sort it but he is a fantastic player.
He needs to be played correctly though ie like vs Boro. It's or him or Allen.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 15, 2016 17:36:07 GMT
Some Stoke fans - what an angry blinkered bunch. Imbula has not had a brilliant start to the season granted. But to make him a scape goat for our current plight is just so far off the mark - he is obviously a victim of the price tag. I think we have far bigger issues to address. Whelan and Walters are not good enough. Our full backs absolutely are not and at present we look weak in goal. Yet I keep reading Imbula is to blame. I do not think Imbula has done all that well but he aint the sole reason for our start. That is nonsense. A couple of wins and everyone's mood changes - we will beat Palace, I honestly think this but we must all stay together and get off the mans back. Just like a few have singled him out are exaggerating and over the top, reactions such as this are just as bad. The majority of the much deserved criticism of the team at the moment are pointing out the poor performances of Pieters, Whelan, Walters, Cameron and Given just as much as Imbula. I have seen Adam getting stick again, Shawcross is still being questioned over his fitness and even Arnie is being knocked for poor form. I think some people are reading a couple of threads rather than a bigger sample across the message board and are jumping to conclusions. Many fans can clearly see there are multiple issues right now, but hopefully not that are beyond resolve. You missed the comment that Bojan is a lazy gutless wanker as well  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 17:39:27 GMT
Problem is he looks like he can't be arsed to track back, and if there's one thing Stokies will never forgive it's a perceived lack of effort. Shame because he's absolutely fucking brilliant otherwise. He hauled ass and chased play for 50 yards to get back and challenge a man at the weekend. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 15, 2016 17:42:04 GMT
If he does end up being a target, then it will be entirely of Hughes' making.
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Post by penkvillepotter on Sept 15, 2016 17:42:10 GMT
I seem to remember Imbula being the only one taking it to Middlesborough. Having not been there v Spurs I 'look' forward to hearing to hearing who a bloke behind us gets his claws into now Wollscheid has gone.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 15, 2016 17:42:15 GMT
Problem is he looks like he can't be arsed to track back, and if there's one thing Stokies will never forgive it's a perceived lack of effort. Shame because he's absolutely fucking brilliant otherwise. He hauled ass and chased play for 50 yards to get back and challenge a man at the weekend. He very rarely does it though and I don't want him to be some defensive rock but the ease at which players run past him is worrying. He's got no idea of body shape/position. He needs coaching and I think it's as simple as that. |
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Post by sportsman on Sept 15, 2016 17:54:55 GMT
Some Stoke fans - what an angry blinkered bunch. Imbula has not had a brilliant start to the season granted. But to make him a scape goat for our current plight is just so far off the mark - he is obviously a victim of the price tag. I think we have far bigger issues to address. Whelan and Walters are not good enough. Our full backs absolutely are not and at present we look weak in goal. Yet I keep reading Imbula is to blame. I do not think Imbula has done all that well but he aint the sole reason for our start. That is nonsense. A couple of wins and everyone's mood changes - we will beat Palace, I honestly think this but we must all stay together and get off the mans back. They're Wankers. |
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Post by nonameface on Sept 15, 2016 17:57:18 GMT
Witch hunt? You've got to be kidding me, the guy is being let off for many many mistakes.
At the moment he is costing us BIG with piss poor positioning, non existent defending, delayed passing and horrific decision making that seems him try to take people on which only takes up the space of our further attacking players had.
He does have ability and long term is definitely worth trying for a couple of seasons, however just because of his price tag he should not be un-dropable. Right now he needs to be dropped for a couple of games and then brought back in, but Hughes is likely to play him in every game this season that he is fit almost regardless of performance which is as much Hughes fault as it is Imbulas.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 15, 2016 18:00:13 GMT
He hauled ass and chased play for 50 yards to get back and challenge a man at the weekend. He very rarely does it though and I don't want him to be some defensive rock but the ease at which players run past him is worrying. He's got no idea of body shape/position. He needs coaching and I think it's as simple as that. Imbula has been in football since his formative years and has played at decent European clubs like Marseille and Porto. I'm sure he has had plenty of coaching during these years but he doesn't seem to read a game or have any natural instincts. As far as natural talent goes he's got as much as any player I've seen at Stoke and could be fucking brilliant but sadly the more I see of him the more I'm convinced it won't happen. |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 15, 2016 18:00:49 GMT
The problem for me is that he just doesn't fit the system.
He couldn't be trusted in a holding role because he can't tackle particularly well and rarely tracks his runner.
The only other position is the one behind the striker which is too far up the pitch for him as a) he isn't the best finisher and b) he is better when he has room to run into so he'd end up too far away from Bony (as we saw on Saturday).
He'd be great in an orthodox 532 system I reckon.
He'd almost be a spare man in the three with freedom to roam.
We haven't got the players for that system at present though as we don't have a left sided wing back and it would also take our most influential attacker in Arnie out of the team.
It's a quandary.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 18:16:14 GMT
Some Stoke fans - what an angry blinkered bunch. Imbula has not had a brilliant start to the season granted. But to make him a scape goat for our current plight is just so far off the mark - he is obviously a victim of the price tag. I think we have far bigger issues to address. Whelan and Walters are not good enough. Our full backs absolutely are not and at present we look weak in goal. Yet I keep reading Imbula is to blame. I do not think Imbula has done all that well but he aint the sole reason for our start. That is nonsense. A couple of wins and everyone's mood changes - we will beat Palace, I honestly think this but we must all stay together and get off the mans back. You are right. The manager picks the team, so he's the one to blame |
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Post by Royal Donut on Sept 15, 2016 18:23:32 GMT
He is a victim of his price tag, but I also think the manager picks him because he cost so much. He could be a great player if his work rate matched anything like joe Allen. When a team isn't performaning you find the weak links and at the moment it's him. (By the way I'm not saying its just him, I'm saying he's furest off his best)
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Sept 15, 2016 18:24:34 GMT
He hauled ass and chased play for 50 yards to get back and challenge a man at the weekend. He very rarely does it though and I don't want him to be some defensive rock but the ease at which players run past him is worrying. He's got no idea of body shape/position. He needs coaching and I think it's as simple as that. This for me. Don't expect him to go flying into crunching tackles or owt,but a bit more effort to get goalside when we lose possession, and as you say some positional work on cutting off angles etc would make a huge difference to our overall solidity.His quality on the ball and vision is undeniable. |
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Post by sportsman on Sept 15, 2016 18:25:25 GMT
He does exactly what pogba's role is. Neither do the defensive or tracking back. He's 90m. What's his excuse?
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Post by adamsson on Sept 15, 2016 18:27:27 GMT
Problem is he looks like he can't be arsed to track back, and if there's one thing Stokies will never forgive it's a perceived lack of effort. Shame because he's absolutely fucking brilliant otherwise. It is true they love Walters who runs around (slowly) all day long to no apparent effect. |
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 15, 2016 18:34:00 GMT
He very rarely does it though and I don't want him to be some defensive rock but the ease at which players run past him is worrying. He's got no idea of body shape/position. He needs coaching and I think it's as simple as that. This for me. Don't expect him to go flying into crunching tackles or owt,but a bit more effort to get goalside when we lose possession, and as you say some positional work on cutting off angles etc would make a huge difference to our overall solidity.His quality on the ball and vision is undeniable. But this is my argument, you either have that awareness of what's around you or you don't, it can't be coached. I'm pretty sure all the coaches of previous clubs and the coaches at Stoke have tried to work on the clear weakness in his game and every now and again it will register and he will chase a player for 80 yards like he did Saturday. But for the rest of the time he'll switch off. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 15, 2016 18:38:58 GMT
I think dropping him might do him some good. I believe he's our best central midfielder but I think he knows this and has got too comfortable hence the slow start. Hopefully if we drop him and bring him on, telling him to make the difference this might motivate him and get him back to playing to his true ability.
He's not the only one performing at his best but I genuinely think it might be good for him.
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It just seems to be in the mentality of some fans.
