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Post by kustokie on Nov 29, 2016 1:49:33 GMT
The fact that this thread is still actively running is an embarrassment. Fans were completely justified in questioning Hughes' position after the Palace debacle but the tides have well & truly turned so why this thread keeps returning to the top is baffling to say the least. The tide has definitely not turned, yet. We played great last weekend (glass half full) and were dreadful the week before that (glass half empty). Before that we had wins against very poor teams So let's not jump to conclusions until we have a run of good results against decent teams.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 3:58:11 GMT
I If Hughes has learned anything from QPR it is evolution, not revolution. He's kept the core of the Pulis era team, added some quality to that core and as a result has massively improved the overall quality of the squad. I'd far rather allow Hughes to carry on evolving the team at the pace he is doing it than rush matters by taking a flyer on another manager and make rapid wholesale changes to what we have. It might not be as "exciting" but I think it's more likely to result in long term sustainable progress. Your approach might be worth considering if we're in decline - given where Aston Villa were last year for example - but recent results suggest we're not in decline. Yes we can improve but I'm for incremental, not radical, change. It would have been my preference too but he's extended players well past their prime and lumbered us with an old squad that needs freshening and an injection of energy. He's not actually evolving the team or the squad for getting on for 18 months. Thats where we obviously differ I would far rather not wait for decline and anticipate that by failure to progress in a number of areas. IMO waiting for decline is irresponsible as by the time the indicators of decline are conclusive you will often be on a downward gradient and then the momentum is in that direction which makes change less likely to be smooth and successful. It has to be said in fairness that it's very difficult to improve or change a squad at our level. Any signing Hughes is looking at now are (I would assume) big names or players to improve the first team. This means that signings are fewer and further between, but better in quality. There's no point signing a brand new squad player when you can use the old first teamers you've just replaced (eg shaq 'replacing' Walters to a degree on the wing) because it'll cost you far less, and older players are probably more likely to not mind some bench time. The other side of that argument is youngsters, but having seen Ngoy and Verlinden on the bench on Sunday, and the signing of Ramadan, I'm a little more optimistic in that regard. I also have a strong feeling that barring one or two small tweaks, our squad is pretty much where Hughes wants it to be, the question now for him I feel is how to manage them best to achieve a cup or foray into the top 6. We do have the squad for it on paper, he just needs to make it reality.
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Post by paulkoz on Nov 29, 2016 4:54:57 GMT
Wish this thread would go In the shit bin as if has no relevance
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Post by davethebass on Nov 29, 2016 6:45:28 GMT
You know why that is don't you because when we win he's not a genius and when we lose its not because he's a shit manager. Hughes is a decent manager who lead us through a transition which on paper looked an onerous task. Things have stagnated a little, he seems to have gone through a phase of very muddled thinking. Is he the very best manager we could possibly have, I don't believe so. Are people afraid of change? Absolutely. Are they right to be? Probably, every time you make a major change you're rolling the dice but thats what you sometimes have to do to move forward. Not wishing to set up a tit for Tat Al but I'm genuinely interested, particularly now, why you think things have stagnated. Whilst I've had issues over aspects of Hughes' management {never anything worthy of the boot}, I think, particularly during this season that he's addressed/addressing those areas. I think Hughes is the perfect fit for us at the moment, the value of his obviously strong relationship with the Chairman and their mutual trust can't be overstated. I think he is the man, {and his henchmen} to take us forward. He's responsible for attracting these talents and has continued to show impressive man management of these often complex egos. etc etc. I applaud his flexibility and desire to win every game. I don't get the muddled thinking thing. Bought quality players to bolster the squad. Some take longer to integrate. There are plans to address it. Even during the early season shit results all the pundits and commentators {with the exception of Joey Barton} backed Hughes to turn it around. He's a well respected man in the game, which also reflects well on us. On a wider point I like our Clubs attitude to players like Wilko, Teix etc. A bit old school and 'sentimental' to some, I'm sure it puts is in good stead amongst players, counts for a lot in attracting talent I expect. Had a real sense of pride at that Wilco testimonial, fans invited on the pitch, the old stars etc, had the feeling of following a 'decent' Club. Point is I think Hughes buys into that ethos, whilst evolving us on the pitch he's provided continuity off it. We're pushing at the 'glass ceiling' of Europe and Silverware, not that far short last season, perhaps the most difficult step up in football, far from a period of stagnation imo. Especially not now. You've been critical of lack of youth, over reliance on Whelan, etc, don't you think he's doing something about your concerns? I don't understand why you're still questioning his tenure. I'm not just basing that on his stroke of genius yesterday.
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Post by davethebass on Nov 29, 2016 6:48:40 GMT
Admin can you bin the rest of this thread and just pin cheeesfreeex's comment for a bit
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Post by outspaced on Nov 29, 2016 7:14:19 GMT
A few facts for anyone buying the 'burned out by February' statement.
Stats from Feb to end of season under MH.
2015-16 P15 W5 D3 L7 Pts18 2014-15 P15 W6 D4 L5 Pts22 2013-14 P15 W8 D4 L3 Pts28
Last season was a poor run in as we all know but that was the exception. Where did this rubbish come from?
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Post by alster on Nov 29, 2016 8:15:12 GMT
I It would have been my preference too but he's extended players well past their prime and lumbered us with an old squad that needs freshening and an injection of energy. He's not actually evolving the team or the squad for getting on for 18 months. Thats where we obviously differ I would far rather not wait for decline and anticipate that by failure to progress in a number of areas. IMO waiting for decline is irresponsible as by the time the indicators of decline are conclusive you will often be on a downward gradient and then the momentum is in that direction which makes change less likely to be smooth and successful. It has to be said in fairness that it's very difficult to improve or change a squad at our level. Any signing Hughes is looking at now are (I would assume) big names or players to improve the first team. This means that signings are fewer and further between, but better in quality. There's no point signing a brand new squad player when you can use the old first teamers you've just replaced (eg shaq 'replacing' Walters to a degree on the wing) because it'll cost you far less, and older players are probably more likely to not mind some bench time. The other side of that argument is youngsters, but having seen Ngoy and Verlinden on the bench on Sunday, and the signing of Ramadan, I'm a little more optimistic in that regard. I also have a strong feeling that barring one or two small tweaks, our squad is pretty much where Hughes wants it to be, the question now for him I feel is how to manage them best to achieve a cup or foray into the top 6. We do have the squad for it on paper, he just needs to make it reality. I must admit I am encouraged to see the youngsters making the bench but unfortunately also think its only because he down to the bones. Ramadan's last couple of appearances merit if not a starting place then being first change in wide areas unfortunately Hughes has shown his preference for ageing players I don't really see that ever changing its a consistent theme of his managerial career. Older slower players filling the bench and being his go to options fail to inject the pace and energy into the team to change games its a flawed theory. The squad is too old and has too many in built injury/fitness issues one or two tweaks just won't suffice.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 29, 2016 9:33:34 GMT
I don't believe there is any evidence to show MH is anti-youth.
On the purchasing front, I think it is common sense to go for proven experienced players who are ending their contracts (Bardsley, Sidwell, Johnson) or not appreciated at other clubs (Ireland, Bojan) for very little cost, rather than pay the inflated fees for unproven youngsters. Nevertheless we have gone for Shaqiri and Imbula and bought younger guys for a high price. We have certainly stepped up the quality of youngsters engaged since Hughes arrived.
On team selection he has thrown in Shenton, Bachmann, and Ramadan, but we have struggled since all the injuries set in early this year, with constant team changes. When you have an unsettled team and/or are trying to get out of the relegation zone, it is not a time to be blooding youngsters, you need experienced heads to steady the ship.
I have every confidence that the youngsters will get their chance when the right opportunities arise, such as when we are comfortably winning a game.
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Post by Scrotnig on Nov 29, 2016 19:32:22 GMT
A few facts for anyone buying the 'burned out by February' statement. Stats from Feb to end of season under MH. 2015-16 P15 W5 D3 L7 Pts18 2014-15 P15 W6 D4 L5 Pts22 2013-14 P15 W8 D4 L3 Pts28 Last season was a poor run in as we all know but that was the exception. Where did this rubbish come from? Well, last season those of us complaining about the familiar slow start were told it was ok because we came good in the final third of the season. And then we, err, didn't. Not even slightly. And then that extremely poor final third of the season ran on into summer and then the new season started and we were....even worse. I'll say it again, after that lamping by Palace we looked dead and buried and it was perfectly fair to question Hughes's continuance in the role. Because it wasn't five games, it was dozens. There was no way to see where the next win would come from, and it had all the hallmarks of his time at QPR. Had we got to the Sunderland game without a win, I am certain he'd have been gone. However - something changed, abruptly, and in a way very rarely seen in football. People are now pointing and laughing and accusing those who had serious concerns after Place of being 'knicker wetters', but that only works with the benefit of hindsight onto an event that could not possibly have been predicted. It was right to question Hughes after Palace, it only looks worng now with the benefit of knowing about the major turn around that followed. All of that said, we are still in deep shit and we need to keep this run going. The Bournemouth game was very worrying because it shows we are still capable of falling right back into the form we showed in that terrible start. We have some fantastic players but on too many occasions, too many of them just can't be arsed, and it will get us relegated if we don't stop it. You can play well, try hard, but lose. That's ok. It happens to everyone. What we do more often though, is not give a shit and then lose. That's unacceptable. Ans the buck stops with the manager I'm afraid.
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Post by Scrotnig on Nov 29, 2016 19:34:39 GMT
And let's be frank, 9th place last season flattered us greatly, because we were in relegation form for a lot of it. What got us up to 9th was a number of decent results against big teams - but this year, that isn't happening. Yet we still get tonked by shite teams. It's a grave concern still, I'm afraid. Perhaps it will change when we play Arsenal or Chelsea soon. I'm not holding my breath, but you can never say that with Stoke so who knows.
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Post by Kjones9 on Nov 29, 2016 19:40:39 GMT
'We're still in deep shit'?!?
What the actually fuck?
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Post by elystokie on Nov 29, 2016 19:42:37 GMT
'We're still in deep shit'?!? What the actually fuck? West Brazil are above us so we must be..
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Post by MilanStokie on Nov 29, 2016 19:43:23 GMT
And let's be frank, 9th place last season flattered us greatly, because we were in relegation form for a lot of it. What got us up to 9th was a number of decent results against big teams - but this year, that isn't happening. Yet we still get tonked by shite teams. It's a grave concern still, I'm afraid. Perhaps it will change when we play Arsenal or Chelsea soon. I'm not holding my breath, but you can never say that with Stoke so who knows. so after 4 wins in 6 and 1 loss in 8, that loss means we should be worried as it shows a return to the poor form we saw including a 4 goal hammering vs palace? what world are you living in? do you never expect us to lose again? if we do it could all go tits up right? a grave concern? a win this weekend could see us entering December in a European spot. how the actual fuck is it of grave concern???
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Post by TexasPotter on Nov 29, 2016 19:44:07 GMT
'We're still in deep shit'?!? What the actually fuck?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 19:45:33 GMT
A few facts for anyone buying the 'burned out by February' statement. Stats from Feb to end of season under MH. 2015-16 P15 W5 D3 L7 Pts18 2014-15 P15 W6 D4 L5 Pts22 2013-14 P15 W8 D4 L3 Pts28 Last season was a poor run in as we all know but that was the exception. Where did this rubbish come from? Well, last season those of us complaining about the familiar slow start were told it was ok because we came good in the final third of the season. And then we, err, didn't. Not even slightly. And then that extremely poor final third of the season ran on into summer and then the new season started and we were....even worse. I'll say it again, after that lamping by Palace we looked dead and buried and it was perfectly fair to question Hughes's continuance in the role. Because it wasn't five games, it was dozens. There was no way to see where the next win would come from, and it had all the hallmarks of his time at QPR. Had we got to the Sunderland game without a win, I am certain he'd have been gone. However - something changed, abruptly, and in a way very rarely seen in football. People are now pointing and laughing and accusing those who had serious concerns after Place of being 'knicker wetters', but that only works with the benefit of hindsight onto an event that could not possibly have been predicted. It was right to question Hughes after Palace, it only looks worng now with the benefit of knowing about the major turn around that followed. All of that said, we are still in deep shit and we need to keep this run going. The Bournemouth game was very worrying because it shows we are still capable of falling right back into the form we showed in that terrible start. We have some fantastic players but on too many occasions, too many of them just can't be arsed, and it will get us relegated if we don't stop it. You can play well, try hard, but lose. That's ok. It happens to everyone. What we do more often though, is not give a shit and then lose. That's unacceptable. Ans the buck stops with the manager I'm afraid. You don't half talk an absolute load of bollocks.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 29, 2016 20:10:40 GMT
Well, last season those of us complaining about the familiar slow start were told it was ok because we came good in the final third of the season. And then we, err, didn't. Not even slightly. And then that extremely poor final third of the season ran on into summer and then the new season started and we were....even worse. I'll say it again, after that lamping by Palace we looked dead and buried and it was perfectly fair to question Hughes's continuance in the role. Because it wasn't five games, it was dozens. There was no way to see where the next win would come from, and it had all the hallmarks of his time at QPR. Had we got to the Sunderland game without a win, I am certain he'd have been gone. However - something changed, abruptly, and in a way very rarely seen in football. People are now pointing and laughing and accusing those who had serious concerns after Place of being 'knicker wetters', but that only works with the benefit of hindsight onto an event that could not possibly have been predicted. It was right to question Hughes after Palace, it only looks worng now with the benefit of knowing about the major turn around that followed. All of that said, we are still in deep shit and we need to keep this run going. The Bournemouth game was very worrying because it shows we are still capable of falling right back into the form we showed in that terrible start. We have some fantastic players but on too many occasions, too many of them just can't be arsed, and it will get us relegated if we don't stop it. You can play well, try hard, but lose. That's ok. It happens to everyone. What we do more often though, is not give a shit and then lose. That's unacceptable. Ans the buck stops with the manager I'm afraid. You don't half talk an absolute load of bollocks. Startling in it's naive inaccuracy.
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Post by eastyorksexile on Nov 29, 2016 20:11:48 GMT
Well, last season those of us complaining about the familiar slow start were told it was ok because we came good in the final third of the season. And then we, err, didn't. Not even slightly. And then that extremely poor final third of the season ran on into summer and then the new season started and we were....even worse. I'll say it again, after that lamping by Palace we looked dead and buried and it was perfectly fair to question Hughes's continuance in the role. Because it wasn't five games, it was dozens. There was no way to see where the next win would come from, and it had all the hallmarks of his time at QPR. Had we got to the Sunderland game without a win, I am certain he'd have been gone. However - something changed, abruptly, and in a way very rarely seen in football. People are now pointing and laughing and accusing those who had serious concerns after Place of being 'knicker wetters', but that only works with the benefit of hindsight onto an event that could not possibly have been predicted. It was right to question Hughes after Palace, it only looks worng now with the benefit of knowing about the major turn around that followed. All of that said, we are still in deep shit and we need to keep this run going. The Bournemouth game was very worrying because it shows we are still capable of falling right back into the form we showed in that terrible start. We have some fantastic players but on too many occasions, too many of them just can't be arsed, and it will get us relegated if we don't stop it. You can play well, try hard, but lose. That's ok. It happens to everyone. What we do more often though, is not give a shit and then lose. That's unacceptable. Ans the buck stops with the manager I'm afraid. You don't half talk an absolute load of bollocks. 100% load of bollocks.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 20:35:19 GMT
A few facts for anyone buying the 'burned out by February' statement. Stats from Feb to end of season under MH. 2015-16 P15 W5 D3 L7 Pts18 2014-15 P15 W6 D4 L5 Pts22 2013-14 P15 W8 D4 L3 Pts28 Last season was a poor run in as we all know but that was the exception. Where did this rubbish come from? Well, last season those of us complaining about the familiar slow start were told it was ok because we came good in the final third of the season. And then we, err, didn't. Not even slightly. And then that extremely poor final third of the season ran on into summer and then the new season started and we were....even worse. I'll say it again, after that lamping by Palace we looked dead and buried and it was perfectly fair to question Hughes's continuance in the role. Because it wasn't five games, it was dozens. There was no way to see where the next win would come from, and it had all the hallmarks of his time at QPR. Had we got to the Sunderland game without a win, I am certain he'd have been gone. However - something changed, abruptly, and in a way very rarely seen in football. People are now pointing and laughing and accusing those who had serious concerns after Place of being 'knicker wetters', but that only works with the benefit of hindsight onto an event that could not possibly have been predicted. It was right to question Hughes after Palace, it only looks worng now with the benefit of knowing about the major turn around that followed. All of that said, we are still in deep shit and we need to keep this run going. The Bournemouth game was very worrying because it shows we are still capable of falling right back into the form we showed in that terrible start. We have some fantastic players but on too many occasions, too many of them just can't be arsed, and it will get us relegated if we don't stop it. You can play well, try hard, but lose. That's ok. It happens to everyone. What we do more often though, is not give a shit and then lose. That's unacceptable. Ans the buck stops with the manager I'm afraid. "We're in deep shit" (snigger)
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 29, 2016 20:50:35 GMT
A few facts for anyone buying the 'burned out by February' statement. Stats from Feb to end of season under MH. 2015-16 P15 W5 D3 L7 Pts18 2014-15 P15 W6 D4 L5 Pts22 2013-14 P15 W8 D4 L3 Pts28 Last season was a poor run in as we all know but that was the exception. Where did this rubbish come from? Well, last season those of us complaining about the familiar slow start were told it was ok because we came good in the final third of the season. And then we, err, didn't. Not even slightly. And then that extremely poor final third of the season ran on into summer and then the new season started and we were....even worse. I'll say it again, after that lamping by Palace we looked dead and buried and it was perfectly fair to question Hughes's continuance in the role. Because it wasn't five games, it was dozens. There was no way to see where the next win would come from, and it had all the hallmarks of his time at QPR. Had we got to the Sunderland game without a win, I am certain he'd have been gone. However - something changed, abruptly, and in a way very rarely seen in football. People are now pointing and laughing and accusing those who had serious concerns after Place of being 'knicker wetters', but that only works with the benefit of hindsight onto an event that could not possibly have been predicted. It was right to question Hughes after Palace, it only looks worng now with the benefit of knowing about the major turn around that followed. All of that said, we are still in deep shit and we need to keep this run going. The Bournemouth game was very worrying because it shows we are still capable of falling right back into the form we showed in that terrible start. We have some fantastic players but on too many occasions, too many of them just can't be arsed, and it will get us relegated if we don't stop it. You can play well, try hard, but lose. That's ok. It happens to everyone. What we do more often though, is not give a shit and then lose. That's unacceptable. Ans the buck stops with the manager I'm afraid. Yes you are right after Palace it was right to question Hughes methods or ability. I wasn't a member of the forum at the time but I was taken aback by some of the outright hostility and vitriol directed by some at Hughes. Any questioning of Hughes should be done in a reasoned and balanced way, he's a human being doing a job to the best of his ability, he was hardly trying to fuck it up on purpose!!! It's a credit to him that he has turned it around and we are lucky that the Clubs hierarchy weren't unreasonably trigger happy.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 30, 2016 1:36:27 GMT
Wish this thread would go In the shit bin as if has no relevance So why are you reading it?
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Post by kustokie on Nov 30, 2016 1:44:50 GMT
A few facts for anyone buying the 'burned out by February' statement. Stats from Feb to end of season under MH. 2015-16 P15 W5 D3 L7 Pts18 2014-15 P15 W6 D4 L5 Pts22 2013-14 P15 W8 D4 L3 Pts28 Last season was a poor run in as we all know but that was the exception. Where did this rubbish come from? You just shot yourself in the foot. The trend over the last three season is very clear: the number of wins in the final third of the season went down from 8 to 5 and the number of losses went up from 3 to 7. Unless that trend is reversed we will get between 12 and 14 points from the final 15 games and be in a relegation battle. Let's hope not!
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 30, 2016 1:52:24 GMT
A few facts for anyone buying the 'burned out by February' statement. Stats from Feb to end of season under MH. 2015-16 P15 W5 D3 L7 Pts18 2014-15 P15 W6 D4 L5 Pts22 2013-14 P15 W8 D4 L3 Pts28 Last season was a poor run in as we all know but that was the exception. Where did this rubbish come from? You just shot yourself in the foot. The trend over the last three season is very clear: the number of wins in the final third of the season went down from 8 to 5 and the number of losses went up from 3 to 7. Unless that trend is reversed we will get between 12 and 14 points from the final 15 games and be in a relegation battle. Let's hope not! Extremely confusing stats there duck. Three seasons/last season befuddlement. What's yer problem with us at the moment? I don't get it mate. What would you change given the reigns?
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Post by milky on Nov 30, 2016 3:03:51 GMT
And let's be frank, 9th place last season flattered us greatly, because we were in relegation form for a lot of it. What got us up to 9th was a number of decent results against big teams - but this year, that isn't happening. Yet we still get tonked by shite teams. It's a grave concern still, I'm afraid. Perhaps it will change when we play Arsenal or Chelsea soon. I'm not holding my breath, but you can never say that with Stoke so who knows. [br0 What an absolute bag of wank you talk. You're an embarrassment. How the fuck can finishing 9th have flattered us ? Over a 38 game season only 8 other clubs accumulated more points than Stoke City. It's a simple enough concept that ,thankfully,most people can grasp. Relegation form for most of it ?How about between October and January when we were about the 4th highest points wise during that period ?Shall we just forget that ever happened just because we fell away from April ? It's just more history rewriting/arse gravy of which you're becoming notorious for...
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Post by kustokie on Nov 30, 2016 3:29:44 GMT
You just shot yourself in the foot. The trend over the last three season is very clear: the number of wins in the final third of the season went down from 8 to 5 and the number of losses went up from 3 to 7. Unless that trend is reversed we will get between 12 and 14 points from the final 15 games and be in a relegation battle. Let's hope not! Extremely confusing stats there duck. Three seasons/last season befuddlement. What's yer problem with us at the moment? I don't get it mate. What would you change given the reigns? My comments weren't intended to be a complaint about our recent performances. I was just pointing out Outspaced's claim that last year's post-February performance was an outlier is illogical because his own data clearly show that the number of losses in the last 15 games has increased from 2013/14 to 2014/15 to 2015/16 and the number of wins had decreased two years in a row. That's a decline in results in the final third of the season. I am not willing us to fail and I sincerely hope that trend is reversed. If not we'll be in a relegation battle. After the Man U match, where we played well, I suggested we might be turning the corner and that we had a good chance of averaging 2 points a game in the subsequent 7 games that would buy us some breathing room before a very difficult spell of games in December and January. We are actually ahead that pace and a win against Burnley will give us 16 points from a possible 21, which would be fantastic. Let's hope our performance against Bournemouth was an aberration because, let's face it, we were terrible. Am I optomistic? Asbsolutely! Am I convinced that Hughes is a great manager? Not yet. There's no question he got things right against Watford. However, was his team selection (and bringing on Crouch to help defend set-pieces) strokes of genius or was he forced into them by circumstances? What I do know is many people on the Oatcake have been complaining for a long time about his strange starting line-ups and his heading scratchingly bizarre substitutions.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 30, 2016 3:45:27 GMT
And let's be frank, 9th place last season flattered us greatly, because we were in relegation form for a lot of it. What got us up to 9th was a number of decent results against big teams - but this year, that isn't happening. Yet we still get tonked by shite teams. It's a grave concern still, I'm afraid. Perhaps it will change when we play Arsenal or Chelsea soon. I'm not holding my breath, but you can never say that with Stoke so who knows. [br0 What an absolute bag of wank you talk. You're an embarrassment. How the fuck can finishing 9th have flattered us ? Over a 38 game season only 8 other clubs accumulated more points than Stoke City. It's a simple enough concept that ,thankfully,most people can grasp. Relegation form for most of it ?How about between October and January when we were about the 4th highest points wise during that period ?Shall we just forget that ever happened just because we fell away from April ? It's just more history rewriting/arse gravy of which you're becoming notorious for... Once again, I am jumping to Scrotnik's defense because he's right. However, I am cautiously optimistic that we are turning the corner and the Bournemouth game was an aberration. If we win against Burnley we'll have 16 points out a possible 21, which is fantastic. However, the facts speak for themselves: we finished very poorly last season (we were on track to qualify for Europe and we blew big time after getting knocked out of both cups in a week). AND we started this season where we left off, conceding 4 goals 3 times in 4 games and getting knocked of the LC at home to Hull. Then we won three games against poor opposition, played well at Old Trafford, were terrible at home against Bournemouth and great against Watford. So the big question is were do we go from here? Some of us don't really care about where we have come from, just where we are going. Personally I don't drive a car forward looking in the rear-view mirror.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 30, 2016 7:16:13 GMT
[br0 What an absolute bag of wank you talk. You're an embarrassment. How the fuck can finishing 9th have flattered us ? Over a 38 game season only 8 other clubs accumulated more points than Stoke City. It's a simple enough concept that ,thankfully,most people can grasp. Relegation form for most of it ?How about between October and January when we were about the 4th highest points wise during that period ?Shall we just forget that ever happened just because we fell away from April ? It's just more history rewriting/arse gravy of which you're becoming notorious for... Once again, I am jumping to Scrotnik's defense because he's right. However, I am cautiously optimistic that we are turning the corner and the Bournemouth game was an aberration. If we win against Burnley we'll have 16 points out a possible 21, which is fantastic. However, the facts speak for themselves: we finished very poorly last season (we were on track to qualify for Europe and we blew big time after getting knocked out of both cups in a week). AND we started this season where we left off, conceding 4 goals 3 times in 4 games and getting knocked of the LC at home to Hull. Then we won three games against poor opposition, played well at Old Trafford, were terrible at home against Bournemouth and great against Watford. So the big question is were do we go from here? Some of us don't really care about where we have come from, just where we are going. Personally I don't drive a car forward looking in the rear-view mirror. Best be careful on motorways then - you can't always assume you are seeing the full picture in whichever wing mirror you happen to be looking at.
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Post by mattador78 on Nov 30, 2016 7:23:56 GMT
In theory then if we dont pick up a single point between now and February we then repeat last years form we finish on 35 points which this season would probably kerp us up to be fair.
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Post by Do it for dobing on Nov 30, 2016 7:32:56 GMT
This thread is an embarrassment to the majority of Stoke fans who have spent most of their lives dreaming about what we are experiencing now
For me as a teenager i did not know how special the early 70s were
Now i suspect some on here do not see how special the present is,you may never see Jo Allens,Shaq,Arni and the like again in your life time.
Back in the 70s i thought we would always be seeing the likes of Hudson Greenhoff Salmons I had to wait another 40 years
So to the moaners give it a rest get off Mark Hughes back
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Post by milky on Nov 30, 2016 7:37:18 GMT
[br0 What an absolute bag of wank you talk. You're an embarrassment. How the fuck can finishing 9th have flattered us ? Over a 38 game season only 8 other clubs accumulated more points than Stoke City. It's a simple enough concept that ,thankfully,most people can grasp. Relegation form for most of it ?How about between October and January when we were about the 4th highest points wise during that period ?Shall we just forget that ever happened just because we fell away from April ? It's just more history rewriting/arse gravy of which you're becoming notorious for... Once again, I am jumping to Scrotnik's defense because he's right. However, I am cautiously optimistic that we are turning the corner and the Bournemouth game was an aberration. If we win against Burnley we'll have 16 points out a possible 21, which is fantastic. However, the facts speak for themselves: we finished very poorly last season (we were on track to qualify for Europe and we blew big time after getting knocked out of both cups in a week). AND we started this season where we left off, conceding 4 goals 3 times in 4 games and getting knocked of the LC at home to Hull. Then we won three games against poor opposition, played well at Old Trafford, were terrible at home against Bournemouth and great against Watford. So the big question is were do we go from here? Some of us don't really care about where we have come from, just where we are going. Personally I don't drive a car forward looking in the rear-view mirror. For someone who only looks forward you spend a lot of time harping back about a sequence of results from 2 months ago. What's also interesting is you're more than happy to play down any of our wins ,citing the poor quality of opposition..yet not so quick to acknowledge a number of our heavy defeats either side of the close season have come against top opposition. And Scrotnig couldn't actually be less right..because he keeps making stuff up ! Oh and one fact you and Scrotnig and the cozmicks of the world probably aren't interested in. Since Lee Grant has been in goal only Chelsea have conceded less.Lets see you turn that one into a negative.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 30, 2016 8:03:12 GMT
This thread is an embarrassment to the majority of Stoke fans who have spent most of their lives dreaming about what we are experiencing now For me as a teenager i did not know how special the early 70s were Now i suspect some on here do not see how special the present is,you may never see Jo Allens,Shaq,Arni and the like again in your life time. Back in the 70s i thought we would always be seeing the likes of Hudson Greenhoff Salmons I had to wait another 40 years So to the moaners give it a rest get off Mark Hughes back Same for me, I genuinely thought at the time that we'd always be in or around that position. It can so easily collapse into a pile of shit.
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