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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 28, 2016 14:25:02 GMT
One emergency loan, when our young England international goalkeeper who'd done a complete pre season broke down 24 hours before the start. Bruno had been at the club at the end of July. The reality is that if our so called £12m and £4m stars turned up every week they wouldn't be with us, and if our £18m star was the finished article manure would have paid £84m for him. We will finish somewhere mid table having good runs, a bad run or two, losing to the likes of Burnley then beating man city. If we lose on Saturday this thread will be brought up again by those who think he's no good, and who started it. Is there room for improvement and constructive comments of course, but a dose of reality is needed. I enjoyed yesterday and it felt like we were in cruise control, last week we were off the pace should have been 2 down at half time. Second half we created more chances than we did yesterday and missed them. That's football. You know why that is don't you because when we win he's not a genius and when we lose its not because he's a shit manager. Hughes is a decent manager who lead us through a transition which on paper looked an onerous task. Things have stagnated a little, he seems to have gone through a phase of very muddled thinking. Is he the very best manager we could possibly have, I don't believe so. Are people afraid of change? Absolutely. Are they right to be? Probably, every time you make a major change you're rolling the dice but thats what you sometimes have to do to move forward. Not wishing to set up a tit for Tat Al but I'm genuinely interested, particularly now, why you think things have stagnated. Whilst I've had issues over aspects of Hughes' management {never anything worthy of the boot}, I think, particularly during this season that he's addressed/addressing those areas. I think Hughes is the perfect fit for us at the moment, the value of his obviously strong relationship with the Chairman and their mutual trust can't be overstated. I think he is the man, {and his henchmen} to take us forward. He's responsible for attracting these talents and has continued to show impressive man management of these often complex egos. etc etc. I applaud his flexibility and desire to win every game. I don't get the muddled thinking thing. Bought quality players to bolster the squad. Some take longer to integrate. There are plans to address it. Even during the early season shit results all the pundits and commentators {with the exception of Joey Barton} backed Hughes to turn it around. He's a well respected man in the game, which also reflects well on us. On a wider point I like our Clubs attitude to players like Wilko, Teix etc. A bit old school and 'sentimental' to some, I'm sure it puts is in good stead amongst players, counts for a lot in attracting talent I expect. Had a real sense of pride at that Wilco testimonial, fans invited on the pitch, the old stars etc, had the feeling of following a 'decent' Club. Point is I think Hughes buys into that ethos, whilst evolving us on the pitch he's provided continuity off it. We're pushing at the 'glass ceiling' of Europe and Silverware, not that far short last season, perhaps the most difficult step up in football, far from a period of stagnation imo. Especially not now. You've been critical of lack of youth, over reliance on Whelan, etc, don't you think he's doing something about your concerns? I don't understand why you're still questioning his tenure. I'm not just basing that on his stroke of genius yesterday.
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Post by Scrotnig on Nov 28, 2016 14:32:39 GMT
Hughes is very definitely a decent manager, indeed he's far better than decent. The table doesn't lie, and he has three ninth place finishes. No arguing with that, andI wouldn't want to.
I hope Hughes is here for many years to come. He's the right manager for this club.
What seems to happen on this board is that it's always black or white. People either think Hughes is rubbish, or he's brilliant and beyond criticism.
He is very good but we have some serious problems which he needs to sort out.
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Post by paulkoz on Nov 28, 2016 14:34:06 GMT
You know why that is don't you because when we win he's not a genius and when we lose its not because he's a shit manager. Hughes is a decent manager who lead us through a transition which on paper looked an onerous task. Things have stagnated a little, he seems to have gone through a phase of very muddled thinking. Is he the very best manager we could possibly have, I don't believe so. Are people afraid of change? Absolutely. Are they right to be? Probably, every time you make a major change you're rolling the dice but thats what you sometimes have to do to move forward. Not wishing to set up a tit for Tat Al but I'm genuinely interested, particularly now, why you think things have stagnated. Whilst I've had issues over aspects of Hughes' management {never anything worthy of the boot}, I think, particularly during this season that he's addressed/addressing those areas. I think Hughes is the perfect fit for us at the moment, the value of his obviously strong relationship with the Chairman and their mutual trust can't be overstated. I think he is the man, {and his henchmen} to take us forward. He's responsible for attracting these talents and has continued to show impressive man management of these often complex egos. etc etc. I applaud his flexibility and desire to win every game. I don't get the muddled thinking thing. Bought quality players to bolster the squad. Some take longer to integrate. There are plans to address it. Even during the early season shit results all the pundits and commentators {with the exception of Joey Barton} backed Hughes to turn it around. He's a well respected man in the game, which also reflects well on us. On a wider point I like our Clubs attitude to players like Wilko, Teix etc. A bit old school and 'sentimental' to some, I'm sure it puts is in good stead amongst players, counts for a lot in attracting talent I expect. Had a real sense of pride at that Wilco testimonial, fans invited on the pitch, the old stars etc, had the feeling of following a 'decent' Club. Point is I think Hughes buys into that ethos, whilst evolving us on the pitch he's provided continuity off it. We're pushing at the 'glass ceiling' of Europe and Silverware, not that far short last season, perhaps the most difficult step up in football, far from a period of stagnation imo. Especially not now. You've been critical of lack of youth, over reliance on Whelan, etc, don't you think he's doing something about your concerns? I don't understand why your still questioning his tenure. I'm not just basing that on his stroke of genius yesterday. Couldn't of said it better myself, glad to see the pulis pureists have calmed down but there is always few muppets on every forum.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 28, 2016 15:18:09 GMT
Hughes is very definitely a decent manager, indeed he's far better than decent. Th enable doenst lie, and he has three ninth place finishes. No arguing with that, Anne I wouldn't want to. I hope Hughes is here for many years to come. He's the right manager for this club. What seems to happen on this board is that it's always black or white. People either think Hughes is rubbish, or he's brilliant and beyond criticism. He is very good but we have some serious problems which he needs to sort out. I agree! One of the weaknesses is that we are the second highest team in the 'Prem' at conceding goals from set pieces(or corners?). But, we've had this problem for four seasons now! Let's improve! We're also one of the lowest scorers from set pieces and at scoring headed goals! Aren't Crouch, Diouf, Bony tall enough or summat? Overall, your positive view of 'MH' is correct but he would move from a 7/8 up to a 9 out of 10 if he ironed out our problems?
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Post by skip on Nov 28, 2016 16:03:29 GMT
Whilst starting slow can be a bad thing arguably it's this method that makes for a more steady season overall whereas another team may think everything is in place but they burn out by Easter. If, Bournemouth blip aside, the last six games have revealed, Hughes is attempting to build a squad that is flexible in approach. If he continues with this process, I'm happy. A damn sight happier than I was after Palace I know that much.
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Post by mattface on Nov 28, 2016 16:37:05 GMT
Whilst starting slow can be a bad thing arguably it's this method that makes for a more steady season overall whereas another team may think everything is in place but they burn out by Easter. If, Bournemouth blip aside, the last six games have revealed, Hughes is attempting to build a squad that is flexible in approach. If he continues with this process, I'm happy. A damn sight happier than I was after Palace I know that much. Not the only one - I honestly thought there was no way back for him after Palace. Happy to have been proven wrong
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Post by Scrotnig on Nov 28, 2016 18:58:34 GMT
Whilst starting slow can be a bad thing arguably it's this method that makes for a more steady season overall whereas another team may think everything is in place but they burn out by Easter. If, Bournemouth blip aside, the last six games have revealed, Hughes is attempting to build a squad that is flexible in approach. If he continues with this process, I'm happy. A damn sight happier than I was after Palace I know that much. Thing is, we start slow and are burned out by February.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 28, 2016 19:00:18 GMT
Whilst starting slow can be a bad thing arguably it's this method that makes for a more steady season overall whereas another team may think everything is in place but they burn out by Easter. If, Bournemouth blip aside, the last six games have revealed, Hughes is attempting to build a squad that is flexible in approach. If he continues with this process, I'm happy. A damn sight happier than I was after Palace I know that much. Thing is, we start slow and are burned out by February. Always always?
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Post by chrisparker on Nov 28, 2016 19:06:07 GMT
The fact that this thread is still actively running is an embarrassment. Fans were completely justified in questioning Hughes' position after the Palace debacle but the tides have well & truly turned so why this thread keeps returning to the top is baffling to say the least.
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Post by Scrotnig on Nov 28, 2016 19:08:27 GMT
The fact that this thread is still actively running is an embarrassment. Fans were completely justified in questioning Hughes' position after the Palace debacle but the tides have well & truly turned so why this thread keeps returning to the top is baffling to say the least. When we win, people like to bump it and say "look how wrong you all were". When we lose, people like to bump it and say "look how right we all were".
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Post by alster on Nov 28, 2016 19:35:49 GMT
You know why that is don't you because when we win he's not a genius and when we lose its not because he's a shit manager. Hughes is a decent manager who lead us through a transition which on paper looked an onerous task. Things have stagnated a little, he seems to have gone through a phase of very muddled thinking. Is he the very best manager we could possibly have, I don't believe so. Are people afraid of change? Absolutely. Are they right to be? Probably, every time you make a major change you're rolling the dice but thats what you sometimes have to do to move forward. Not wishing to set up a tit for Tat Al but I'm genuinely interested, particularly now, why you think things have stagnated. Whilst I've had issues over aspects of Hughes' management {never anything worthy of the boot}, I think, particularly during this season that he's addressed/addressing those areas. I think Hughes is the perfect fit for us at the moment, the value of his obviously strong relationship with the Chairman and their mutual trust can't be overstated. I think he is the man, {and his henchmen} to take us forward. He's responsible for attracting these talents and has continued to show impressive man management of these often complex egos. etc etc. I applaud his flexibility and desire to win every game. I don't get the muddled thinking thing. Bought quality players to bolster the squad. Some take longer to integrate. There are plans to address it. Even during the early season shit results all the pundits and commentators {with the exception of Joey Barton} backed Hughes to turn it around. He's a well respected man in the game, which also reflects well on us. On a wider point I like our Clubs attitude to players like Wilko, Teix etc. A bit old school and 'sentimental' to some, I'm sure it puts is in good stead amongst players, counts for a lot in attracting talent I expect. Had a real sense of pride at that Wilco testimonial, fans invited on the pitch, the old stars etc, had the feeling of following a 'decent' Club. Point is I think Hughes buys into that ethos, whilst evolving us on the pitch he's provided continuity off it. We're pushing at the 'glass ceiling' of Europe and Silverware, not that far short last season, perhaps the most difficult step up in football, far from a period of stagnation imo. Especially not now. You've been critical of lack of youth, over reliance on Whelan, etc, don't you think he's doing something about your concerns? I don't understand why you're still questioning his tenure. I'm not just basing that on his stroke of genius yesterday. I think I've been pretty consistent in my belief that the squad has been allowed to stagnate and needs radical surgery in the short/medium term. IMO its too old, too slow and has too many players with in built injury/fitness issues. I'm not swayed as much as most by league position and individual results, I'm a performance man and think our performances have regressed over the last season and half nearly but for a blip either side of Christmas last year. In fact after 3 and a half years we're not much more free scoring than we were under Pulis, with the resources at his disposal that doesn't impress me at all. Also I don't think he's a great touchline manager, don't think he offers the useful in game guidance to his players from there that I think he could/should, substitutions are normally mind boggling and fail to introduce the energy into the team that a well thought out bench and substitutions can. He's a good manager he doesn't worry me at all, I just think with the right research and not waiting for promising coaches reputations to grow to a level where an offer from us would not be attractive we could get a better all round coach and manager that would better reflect the aims and goals set by the owners, I don't think Hughes will ever buy into developing young players in a big way. I'd said I would give him the next two transfer windows to sort out the mess that he's got himself into with the make up of the squad. Might be an over reaction but the news of Crouch's probable 12 month extension made me reevaluate that and now I'd give him the January window and until the end of the season to prove he can show progress in performances and a number of other areas. I'd be continuously succession planning anyway but would be stepping it up a level and covertly testing the water with one or two individuals. I'd never want to wait for a crisis to make the change, I'd consider that a greater failing of planning than the actual failing of the manager in post.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 28, 2016 19:50:15 GMT
Not wishing to set up a tit for Tat Al but I'm genuinely interested, particularly now, why you think things have stagnated. Whilst I've had issues over aspects of Hughes' management {never anything worthy of the boot}, I think, particularly during this season that he's addressed/addressing those areas. I think Hughes is the perfect fit for us at the moment, the value of his obviously strong relationship with the Chairman and their mutual trust can't be overstated. I think he is the man, {and his henchmen} to take us forward. He's responsible for attracting these talents and has continued to show impressive man management of these often complex egos. etc etc. I applaud his flexibility and desire to win every game. I don't get the muddled thinking thing. Bought quality players to bolster the squad. Some take longer to integrate. There are plans to address it. Even during the early season shit results all the pundits and commentators {with the exception of Joey Barton} backed Hughes to turn it around. He's a well respected man in the game, which also reflects well on us. On a wider point I like our Clubs attitude to players like Wilko, Teix etc. A bit old school and 'sentimental' to some, I'm sure it puts is in good stead amongst players, counts for a lot in attracting talent I expect. Had a real sense of pride at that Wilco testimonial, fans invited on the pitch, the old stars etc, had the feeling of following a 'decent' Club. Point is I think Hughes buys into that ethos, whilst evolving us on the pitch he's provided continuity off it. We're pushing at the 'glass ceiling' of Europe and Silverware, not that far short last season, perhaps the most difficult step up in football, far from a period of stagnation imo. Especially not now. You've been critical of lack of youth, over reliance on Whelan, etc, don't you think he's doing something about your concerns? I don't understand why you're still questioning his tenure. I'm not just basing that on his stroke of genius yesterday. I think I've been pretty consistent in my belief that the squad has been allowed to stagnate and needs radical surgery in the short/medium term. IMO its too old, too slow and has too many players with in built injury/fitness issues. I'm not swayed as much as most by league position and individual results, I'm a performance man and think our performances have regressed over the last season and half nearly but for a blip either side of Christmas last year. In fact after 3 and a half years we're not much more free scoring than we were under Pulis, with the resources at his disposal that doesn't impress me at all. Also I don't think he's a great touchline manager, don't think he offers the useful in game guidance to his players from there that I think he could/should, substitutions are normally mind boggling and fail to introduce the energy into the team that a well thought out bench and substitutions can. He's a good manager he doesn't worry me at all, I just think with the right research and not waiting for promising coaches reputations to grow to a level where an offer from us would not be attractive we could get a better all round coach and manager that would better reflect the aims and goals set by the owners, I don't think Hughes will ever buy into developing young players in a big way. I'd said I would give him the next two transfer windows to sort out the mess that he's got himself into with the make up of the squad. Might be an over reaction but the news of Crouch's probable 12 month extension made me reevaluate that and now I'd give him the January window and until the end of the season to prove he can show progress in performances and a number of other areas. I'd be continuously succession planning anyway but would be stepping it up a level and covertly testing the water with one or two individuals. I'd never want to wait for a crisis to make the change, I'd consider that a greater failing of planning than the actual failing of the manager in post. As long as those minor quibbles don't diminish the enjoyment of the journey that's ok mucka. S'pose I'm not such a Fretter.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 28, 2016 19:52:59 GMT
Whilst starting slow can be a bad thing arguably it's this method that makes for a more steady season overall whereas another team may think everything is in place but they burn out by Easter. If, Bournemouth blip aside, the last six games have revealed, Hughes is attempting to build a squad that is flexible in approach. If he continues with this process, I'm happy. A damn sight happier than I was after Palace I know that much. Thing is, we start slow and are burned out by February.That's only true if you consider injuries are due to burn out. We certainly didn't burn out in 2014-15, although of course other teams could have burnt out more than us! Like Liverpool.
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Post by alster on Nov 28, 2016 19:55:16 GMT
I think I've been pretty consistent in my belief that the squad has been allowed to stagnate and needs radical surgery in the short/medium term. IMO its too old, too slow and has too many players with in built injury/fitness issues. I'm not swayed as much as most by league position and individual results, I'm a performance man and think our performances have regressed over the last season and half nearly but for a blip either side of Christmas last year. In fact after 3 and a half years we're not much more free scoring than we were under Pulis, with the resources at his disposal that doesn't impress me at all. Also I don't think he's a great touchline manager, don't think he offers the useful in game guidance to his players from there that I think he could/should, substitutions are normally mind boggling and fail to introduce the energy into the team that a well thought out bench and substitutions can. He's a good manager he doesn't worry me at all, I just think with the right research and not waiting for promising coaches reputations to grow to a level where an offer from us would not be attractive we could get a better all round coach and manager that would better reflect the aims and goals set by the owners, I don't think Hughes will ever buy into developing young players in a big way. I'd said I would give him the next two transfer windows to sort out the mess that he's got himself into with the make up of the squad. Might be an over reaction but the news of Crouch's probable 12 month extension made me reevaluate that and now I'd give him the January window and until the end of the season to prove he can show progress in performances and a number of other areas. I'd be continuously succession planning anyway but would be stepping it up a level and covertly testing the water with one or two individuals. I'd never want to wait for a crisis to make the change, I'd consider that a greater failing of planning than the actual failing of the manager in post. As long as those minor quibbles don't diminish the enjoyment of the journey that's ok mucka. S'pose I'm not such a Fretter. No you've got me wrong there mate, I'm the opposite to a fretter. I'm more of a never satisfied always striving for better type, who's not adverse to taking a risk to achieve that. I do actually enjoy it a lot.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 28, 2016 20:04:30 GMT
As long as those minor quibbles don't diminish the enjoyment of the journey that's ok mucka. S'pose I'm not such a Fretter. No you've got me wrong there mate, I'm the opposite to a fretter. I'm more of a never satisfied always striving for better type, who's not adverse to taking a risk to achieve that. I do actually enjoy it a lot. Put the tablet down then. Smile. You've addressed nowt in that. Nose off to spite etc.
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Post by milky on Nov 28, 2016 20:11:34 GMT
Whilst starting slow can be a bad thing arguably it's this method that makes for a more steady season overall whereas another team may think everything is in place but they burn out by Easter. If, Bournemouth blip aside, the last six games have revealed, Hughes is attempting to build a squad that is flexible in approach. If he continues with this process, I'm happy. A damn sight happier than I was after Palace I know that much. Thing is, we start slow and are burned out by February. Yeah we were burned out by February 2 seasons ago weren't we when we won the last two home games 3-0 and 6-1..
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 28, 2016 20:16:35 GMT
The fact that this thread is still actively running is an embarrassment. Fans were completely justified in questioning Hughes' position after the Palace debacle but the tides have well & truly turned so why this thread keeps returning to the top is baffling to say the least. Question his tactics - of course Question his selections - of course Question his substitutions - of course Question his position - I don't think so. The man who has taken us to three consecutive 9th place finishes deserves more than 5 games at the start of the season before folk start calling for his head. 5 games! Fucking ridiculous.
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Post by Scrotnig on Nov 28, 2016 20:20:49 GMT
As has been said many time spent though, it wasn't just five games. It stretched way back into the previous season. The Palace game was the final straw for a lot of us, all the "big teams" excuses could no longer be used, and it really was impossible to see how we'd pull out of it.
Then, abruptly, something changed. What had actually gone wrong has still never been explained properly. It's now being brushed under the carpet, which I'm ok with as long as it doesn't happen again.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 28, 2016 20:21:09 GMT
As long as those minor quibbles don't diminish the enjoyment of the journey that's ok mucka. S'pose I'm not such a Fretter. No you've got me wrong there mate, I'm the opposite to a fretter. I'm more of a never satisfied always striving for better type, who's not adverse to taking a risk to achieve that. I do actually enjoy it a lot. If Hughes has learned anything from QPR it is evolution, not revolution. He's kept the core of the Pulis era team, added some quality to that core and as a result has massively improved the overall quality of the squad. I'd far rather allow Hughes to carry on evolving the team at the pace he is doing it than rush matters by taking a flyer on another manager and make rapid wholesale changes to what we have. It might not be as "exciting" but I think it's more likely to result in long term sustainable progress. Your approach might be worth considering if we're in decline - given where Aston Villa were last year for example - but recent results suggest we're not in decline. Yes we can improve but I'm for incremental, not radical, change.
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Post by alster on Nov 28, 2016 20:39:19 GMT
No you've got me wrong there mate, I'm the opposite to a fretter. I'm more of a never satisfied always striving for better type, who's not adverse to taking a risk to achieve that. I do actually enjoy it a lot. If Hughes has learned anything from QPR it is evolution, not revolution. He's kept the core of the Pulis era team, added some quality to that core and as a result has massively improved the overall quality of the squad. I'd far rather allow Hughes to carry on evolving the team at the pace he is doing it than rush matters by taking a flyer on another manager and make rapid wholesale changes to what we have. It might not be as "exciting" but I think it's more likely to result in long term sustainable progress. Your approach might be worth considering if we're in decline - given where Aston Villa were last year for example - but recent results suggest we're not in decline. Yes we can improve but I'm for incremental, not radical, change. It would have been my preference too but he's extended players well past their prime and lumbered us with an old squad that needs freshening and an injection of energy. He's not actually evolving the team or the squad for getting on for 18 months. Thats where we obviously differ I would far rather not wait for decline and anticipate that by failure to progress in a number of areas. IMO waiting for decline is irresponsible as by the time the indicators of decline are conclusive you will often be on a downward gradient and then the momentum is in that direction which makes change less likely to be smooth and successful.
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Post by Scrotnig on Nov 28, 2016 20:41:26 GMT
There is some evidence he might have turned Imbula round and if that's true, it will make a huge difference to the team and Imbula will look like a bargain.
If......
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 20:50:04 GMT
The fact that this thread is still actively running is an embarrassment. Fans were completely justified in questioning Hughes' position after the Palace debacle but the tides have well & truly turned so why this thread keeps returning to the top is baffling to say the least. Question his tactics - of course Question his selections - of course Question his substitutions - of course Question his position - I don't think so. The man who has taken us to three consecutive 9th place finishes deserves more than 5 games at the start of the season before folk start calling for his head. 5 games! Fucking ridiculous. Well said. I'm sure some of the folk who post their uninformed judgements on here take themselves seriously. Thankfully most other people don't.
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Post by Scrotnig on Nov 28, 2016 20:52:54 GMT
I don't think there's anybody wants Hughes out now, surely?
I did, along with a handful of others after the Palace game, but most have us have no way admitted that we were a bit hasty.
Unlike some, I've always been a fan of Hughes and I would prefer him to be a huge success here...which to some degree he already has been.
Despite some concerns he is absolutely the best man for this club.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 28, 2016 20:56:34 GMT
As has been said many time spent though, it wasn't just five games. It stretched way back into the previous season. The Palace game was the final straw for a lot of us, all the "big teams" excuses could no longer be used, and it really was impossible to see how we'd pull out of it. Then, abruptly, something changed. What had actually gone wrong has still never been explained properly. It's now being brushed under the carpet, which I'm ok with as long as it doesn't happen again. That's a massive incomprehensible ill conceived bag of shite. Hogwash mate, hogwash Scrote. Open yr mind and eyes.
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Post by lordb on Nov 28, 2016 21:02:53 GMT
Hughes is very definitely a decent manager, indeed he's far better than decent. Th enable doenst lie, and he has three ninth place finishes. No arguing with that, Anne I wouldn't want to. I hope Hughes is here for many years to come. He's the right manager for this club. What seems to happen on this board is that it's always black or white. People either think Hughes is rubbish, or he's brilliant and beyond criticism. He is very good but we have some serious problems which he needs to sort out. I agree! One of the weaknesses is that we are the second highest team in the 'Prem' at conceding goals from set pieces(or corners?). But, we've had this problem for four seasons now! Let's improve! We're also one of the lowest scorers from set pieces and at scoring headed goals! Aren't Crouch, Diouf, Bony tall enough or summat? Overall, your positive view of 'MH' is correct but he would move from a 7/8 up to a 9 out of 10 if he ironed out our problems? No Swansea,Watford,Palace all conceded more and at least one other club has conceded the same. We have improved a lot since two seasons ago when half the goals we conceded were from set pieces However your right about our own set pieces,we should score more although again there has been an improvement compared to last season. Stick a goalscorer in this side and we would be flying. Don't know who that is though.
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Post by alster on Nov 28, 2016 21:33:59 GMT
There is some evidence he might have turned Imbula round and if that's true, it will make a huge difference to the team and Imbula will look like a bargain. If...... There were promising signs in Imbula's performance, signs we may reap some value from his transfer. I agree also its been handled well. Its a long road before we can think he might look like a bargain he's a very long way from matching up to a player like N'Zonzi in terms of being the whole package.
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 28, 2016 21:39:54 GMT
I've said it before and I'll say it again he is a top class manager and I'm glad he ours. Theses really are special times to be a Stoke fan. Gollum is a Stokie....nah nah nah nah!
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Post by peterthornesboots on Nov 28, 2016 23:49:09 GMT
We had issues at the start of the season, but the fact that so many fans were advocating a change of manager simply reflects the modern knee-jerk reaction mentality.
We are a mid-table team that are slowly improving all aspects of the club. We need to be realistic in our expectations - one of which is that we will go through poor runs of form.
I'm glad that PC chose to keep faith - continuity and consistency in terms of the management team should be key to our philosophy.
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Post by Do it for dobing on Nov 29, 2016 1:34:43 GMT
No you've got me wrong there mate, I'm the opposite to a fretter. I'm more of a never satisfied always striving for better type, who's not adverse to taking a risk to achieve that. I do actually enjoy it a lot. If Hughes has learned anything from QPR it is evolution, not revolution. He's kept the core of the Pulis era team, added some quality to that core and as a result has massively improved the overall quality of the squad. I'd far rather allow Hughes to carry on evolving the team at the pace he is doing it than rush matters by taking a flyer on another manager and make rapid wholesale changes to what we have. It might not be as "exciting" but I think it's more likely to result in long term sustainable progress. Your approach might be worth considering if we're in decline - given where Aston Villa were last year for example - but recent results suggest we're not in decline. Yes we can improve but I'm for incremental, not radical, change. Drama Queen doesnt do you justice Enjoy what we have it is probably as good as it gets
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Post by kustokie on Nov 29, 2016 1:45:12 GMT
Whilst starting slow can be a bad thing arguably it's this method that makes for a more steady season overall whereas another team may think everything is in place but they burn out by Easter. If, Bournemouth blip aside, the last six games have revealed, Hughes is attempting to build a squad that is flexible in approach. If he continues with this process, I'm happy. A damn sight happier than I was after Palace I know that much. Thing is, we start slow and are burned out by February. Beat me to it. Well said.
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