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Shawcross
Aug 21, 2016 10:08:11 GMT
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 21, 2016 10:08:11 GMT
Shawcross has been a rock for us over the years
However I beleive that one particular German at his side was an important factor of his solidity
It's only natural for CBs to be greatly affected by the kind of partner you have in central defence with you
The German he has now somehow does not give him the same stability
If Ryan is fully fit and we do manage to get Jones to partner him, and on condition that they both stay fully fit, then, allowing them a bit of time to gel, we would once again have something we've been missing so sorely for quite some time now - one of the best central defences in the PL
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Shawcross
Aug 21, 2016 10:15:57 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 21, 2016 10:15:57 GMT
As is pretty much every other centre half ever to have played the game at the top level Maybe so but they don't make it so blatantly obvious. I disagree. Tell me who you think is the best centre half in the country and I'll show you one who blatantly grapples when defending corners.
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Shawcross
Aug 21, 2016 10:16:08 GMT
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Post by nik80 on Aug 21, 2016 10:16:08 GMT
Sadly Ryan doesn't look to be the player he once was, but there's some proper cuntish comments on here. Drop him? For fucking who?! Ryan has had this problem for over two full seasons it seems obvious that it is not going to go away, he was bought back at the end of last season to try and shore up the shambles we call our defence, has this impacted on his recovery ? I questioned the decision last season and got lambasted on here by the rimmers, he is not fit he should not be starting he needs resting/dropping on current form without doubt. The problem as you say who will replace him, Hughes has neglected our defensive capabilities for two seasons this is self inflicted and some serious questions need to be answered by Mark and his team. Yeah, I've gotta say, he's bought players in, I haven't got a clue how he thinks he can utilise them all, I'm starting to think he's unsure too. He's bought in players, not necessarily the players we need. Bit of a mess.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 21, 2016 10:19:10 GMT
Maybe so but they don't make it so blatantly obvious. I disagree. Tell me who you think is the best centre half in the country and I'll show you one who blatantly grapples when defending corners. Agreed. All this pretentious claptrap that you read and hear about grappling gets on my tits. Football is a physical battle and when two players are battling (as they were for the first penalty) that is what it is all about. If their player was jumping for the ball and Ryan just grabbed him back fair enough but he didn't. Two players were trying to get the edge over the other one - that's football (or at least it should be).
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Post by redstriper on Aug 21, 2016 10:32:39 GMT
Given that Ryan is as honest and genuine as they come, I'm sure he will be the first to admit he isn't at his best at the moment, so the last thing he needs is people on here running to tell him so, two games in.
Can we not collectively get behind and support the ONLY player we have who is Stoke through and through ?
We need him back at his commanding best and anyone who thinks their "constructive criticism" is needed is deluded, sadly some people have small memories and even smaller minds.
We should be singing his name from the start.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 21, 2016 10:33:46 GMT
I disagree. Tell me who you think is the best centre half in the country and I'll show you one who blatantly grapples when defending corners. Agreed. All this pretentious claptrap that you read and hear about grappling gets on my tits. Football is a physical battle and when two players are battling (as they were for the first penalty) that is what it is all about. If their player was jumping for the ball and Ryan just grabbed him back fair enough but he didn't. Two players were trying to get the edge over the other one - that's football (or at least it should be). No argument there from me. With each passing week the game becomes more alien to the one I grew up playing and watching. Its up to parents to bring players of the future up properly. Hopefully I'm making my lad play the game how it was meant to be played.
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Shawcross
Aug 21, 2016 10:38:14 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2016 10:38:14 GMT
Sign a proper fucking centre half to play alongside him and this shite talk about him being finished will end. At times playing alongside Woolly is akin to playing with your laces tied together. Hear hear!
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Shawcross
Aug 21, 2016 10:49:30 GMT
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Post by gonk on Aug 21, 2016 10:49:30 GMT
I like Ryan Shawcross but the one fault with him is he doesnt learn from his mistakes. Its not the 1st time he has given a penalty away grabbing a players shirt . He must know you cannot do that in the area otherwise he will give penalties away every time You are right about learning from is mistakes,but Dean was going to make a point yesterday.After the pen I watched Dean on the next corner and all he did was watch what Shawcross did.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 21, 2016 10:52:49 GMT
The injury seems to have knocked him and you only have to look at the difference Huth has made to Leicester to see what a good player he is to have around , Suspended last week defence all over the place back yesterday clean sheet .
I have more time for wooly than most and thought he was the best of our back four yesterday ( doesnt say much I know ) but Huth he certainly is not , he would have helped Ryan back because he is a real leader on a football pitch , but Ryan has to recover and lead the defence which is not easy , we have lost a lot of strong characters and replaced them with more talented footballers but who lack character and leadership skills .
Im delighted to see Allen come in the first signing for a while who has the right attitude .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 11:31:07 GMT
Despite everything said on all these posts, we are talking Mike Dean. I said before we went that he would have a bad impact on the game. He is a preening peacock of a referee of the highest order. One of, if not the worst referees in the premiership.
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Post by britvic72 on Aug 21, 2016 11:35:36 GMT
Honest assessment from Ryan after the match yesterday so he knows that it will be being watched for. He's clever enough to use it in the opposing box and knows that the one he got wasn't one of those occasions. He will get more using his body in the opposition box now that the marker has been set.
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Shawcross
Aug 21, 2016 11:44:44 GMT
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Post by adi on Aug 21, 2016 11:44:44 GMT
Shawcross has been a rock for us over the years However I beleive that one particular German at his side was an important factor of his solidity It's only natural for CBs to be greatly affected by the kind of partner you have in central defence with you The German he has now somehow does not give him the same stability If Ryan is fully fit and we do manage to get Jones to partner him, and on condition that they both stay fully fit, then, allowing them a bit of time to gel, we would once again have something we've been missing so sorely for quite some time now - one of the best central defences in the PL Who is Jones??
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Aug 21, 2016 12:21:10 GMT
You are absolutely spot on mate this defencive problem has been going on for far to long and its about time Mark and his team addressed it instead of ignoring it
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Post by mermaidsal on Aug 21, 2016 15:04:44 GMT
I said it last season and got rocks thrown at me, I'm saying it again now - we MAY, just may have to face up to the fact that we've seen the best of Ryan. He's been our rock, he's beyond outstanding as a player, a skipper and a human being but some really physical players just never 100% come back from major injury and Ryan may prove to be one of them. I hope I'll be eating these words again by Christmas, no-one would be happier if you throw rocks again once Ryan's proved me wrong...
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Shawcross
Aug 21, 2016 16:26:07 GMT
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Post by jwhpotter on Aug 21, 2016 16:26:07 GMT
Danny Mills says we've got nothing to worry about - feel a bit better now haha Danny Murphy said the same, we should be ok Oh shit haha oops
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Shawcross
Aug 22, 2016 0:24:50 GMT
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Post by britsabroad on Aug 22, 2016 0:24:50 GMT
I said it last season and got rocks thrown at me, I'm saying it again now - we MAY, just may have to face up to the fact that we've seen the best of Ryan. He's been our rock, he's beyond outstanding as a player, a skipper and a human being but some really physical players just never 100% come back from major injury and Ryan may prove to be one of them. I hope I'll be eating these words again by Christmas, no-one would be happier if you throw rocks again once Ryan's proved me wrong... Forget the penalty, he was at fault for 3 of the 4 goals Stoke conceded on Saturday. However he does it he needs to rediscover his form.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 22, 2016 1:21:15 GMT
Ryan has had this problem for over two full seasons it seems obvious that it is not going to go away, he was bought back at the end of last season to try and shore up the shambles we call our defence, has this impacted on his recovery ? I questioned the decision last season and got lambasted on here by the rimmers, he is not fit he should not be starting he needs resting/dropping on current form without doubt. The problem as you say who will replace him, Hughes has neglected our defensive capabilities for two seasons this is self inflicted and some serious questions need to be answered by Mark and his team. Yeah, I've gotta say, he's bought players in, I haven't got a clue how he thinks he can utilise them all, I'm starting to think he's unsure too. He's bought in players, not necessarily the players we need. Bit of a mess. Tin hat. I hate to even whisper this, but isn't that what he did at QPR?
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Post by kustokie on Aug 22, 2016 1:34:05 GMT
I said it last season and got rocks thrown at me, I'm saying it again now - we MAY, just may have to face up to the fact that we've seen the best of Ryan. He's been our rock, he's beyond outstanding as a player, a skipper and a human being but some really physical players just never 100% come back from major injury and Ryan may prove to be one of them. I hope I'll be eating these words again by Christmas, no-one would be happier if you throw rocks again once Ryan's proved me wrong... I got everything but the kitchen sink thrown at me, at the time, for suggesting that he might never fully recover from his operation. You would like to think that the medical experts advised Hughes on the probability of Shawcross making a full recovery and he should plan accordingly. That leads to several possible conclusions, including: 1) they informed him the probability of him not making a full recovery was very low and it didn't work out, 2) they informed him the probability was high and he ignored it or 3) they informed him the probability was high and he couldn't find anyone. Outcome 1: independent of the predicted outcome, we should have signed a back-up/replacement; outcome 2: arrogance and incompetence, outcome 3: management failure.
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Post by boweryboy on Aug 22, 2016 16:59:16 GMT
For Christ sake Ryan,you are six foot five,attack the ball and you will win it more often than not...
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Post by smudger46 on Aug 22, 2016 18:30:03 GMT
I always thought you got goal side of the player you are marking and beat them to the ball , not have a wrestling match with em.
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Post by potterspele on Aug 22, 2016 18:49:21 GMT
I said it last season and got rocks thrown at me, I'm saying it again now - we MAY, just may have to face up to the fact that we've seen the best of Ryan. He's been our rock, he's beyond outstanding as a player, a skipper and a human being but some really physical players just never 100% come back from major injury and Ryan may prove to be one of them. I hope I'll be eating these words again by Christmas, no-one would be happier if you throw rocks again once Ryan's proved me wrong... I got everything but the kitchen sink thrown at me, at the time, for suggesting that he might never fully recover from his operation. You would like to think that the medical experts advised Hughes on the probability of Shawcross making a full recovery and he should plan accordingly. That leads to several possible conclusions, including: 1) they informed him the probability of him not making a full recovery was very low and it didn't work out, 2) they informed him the probability was high and he ignored it or 3) they informed him the probability was high and he couldn't find anyone. Outcome 1: independent of the predicted outcome, we should have signed a back-up/replacement; outcome 2: arrogance and incompetence, outcome 3: management failure. Or... 4) There's nothing wrong with him apart from needing a few games to get back to form?
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Post by maxdecarlo on Aug 22, 2016 18:54:27 GMT
I fear his back is knackered- he cant jump and get that spring he used to hence the reason why he committed the foul that led t the pen yesterday- why dont we tweet mark wilson and ask him???
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 19:10:30 GMT
I fear his back is knackered- he cant jump and get that spring he used to hence the reason why he committed the foul that led t the pen yesterday- why dont we tweet mark wilson and ask him??? The arse gravy that you post is on a par with biscuit.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 22, 2016 19:18:56 GMT
I fear his back is knackered- he cant jump and get that spring he used to hence the reason why he committed the foul that led t the pen yesterday- why dont we tweet mark wilson and ask him??? So why has he held players before his back problem?
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Post by spoton on Aug 22, 2016 19:31:40 GMT
So why does he need and wears a back support
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 19:50:45 GMT
I see Jamie Redknapp hasn't taken long to stick the knife in!
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Post by kustokie on Aug 22, 2016 20:24:03 GMT
I got everything but the kitchen sink thrown at me, at the time, for suggesting that he might never fully recover from his operation. You would like to think that the medical experts advised Hughes on the probability of Shawcross making a full recovery and he should plan accordingly. That leads to several possible conclusions, including: 1) they informed him the probability of him not making a full recovery was very low and it didn't work out, 2) they informed him the probability was high and he ignored it or 3) they informed him the probability was high and he couldn't find anyone. Outcome 1: independent of the predicted outcome, we should have signed a back-up/replacement; outcome 2: arrogance and incompetence, outcome 3: management failure. Or... 4) There's nothing wrong with him apart from needing a few games to get back to form? That would be the "head in the sand" option.
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Shawcross
Aug 22, 2016 20:32:23 GMT
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Post by manmarking on Aug 22, 2016 20:32:23 GMT
Shawcross has been a rock for us over the years However I beleive that one particular German at his side was an important factor of his solidity It's only natural for CBs to be greatly affected by the kind of partner you have in central defence with you The German he has now somehow does not give him the same stability If Ryan is fully fit and we do manage to get Jones to partner him, and on condition that they both stay fully fit, then, allowing them a bit of time to gel, we would once again have something we've been missing so sorely for quite some time now - one of the best central defences in the PL At last, a sensible post. People forget that central defence is about so much more than just physicality and reading the game. It's about how you work together with other players. It's not up to Ryan to sign Huth's replacement. He's been dropped in it, expected to carry the defence through thick and thin. The management got the Huth decision badly wrong and we're still living with that. Time is running out to fix it though....
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Shawcross
Aug 22, 2016 21:04:38 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 22, 2016 21:04:38 GMT
Shawx is a legend and deserves time. We need to start signing other leaders to help him out.
My worry is that hughes has actually thought for a long time that Muniesa is a centre back. I don't think he will sign another one.
Our defence is being fucking smashed all over the place every week. Boro could have been three up. West ham could have scored six at our place and in the next home game we concede 4. We've been thrashed in 4 games from 9 and that could easily have been 6 games in 9.
Massively concerning and urgent remedial action is needed.
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Post by cotswoldstokie on Aug 23, 2016 3:59:50 GMT
Ryan's last match of the season v West Ham showed how good he can be. His first two games this season show he is not at his best - beaten at Boro for the goal - gave pen away and look how he gives up for City's third goal. We alŵays start slowly (but why?) which then means we are. Chasing a negative goal difference early in - before the season I said two points from the first three games - but why should it always be like this?
Need a morale boosting tonking of Stevenage tonight - it would be nice to create emough chances to have give shots of target in a match ( another of our problems - we create the fewest chances in the Orem and convert a poor amount of them)
PIeters needs replacing too!
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