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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 20, 2016 22:11:46 GMT
I'm 40 and Ryan is in my top 3 players along with Ric and Steino.
The bloke is pure class on and off the pitch.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 20, 2016 22:15:52 GMT
I'm 40 and Ryan is in my top 3 players along with Ric and Steino. The bloke is pure class on and off the pitch. I think he's my number one. Class in every way.
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Post by robinplumpton on Aug 20, 2016 22:24:05 GMT
I'm 40 and Ryan is in my top 3 players along with Ric and Steino. The bloke is pure class on and off the pitch. Am going to be 52 next week and would agree about Ryan. From the day he scored the winner on his debut he has been a talisman, he epitomised our whole hearted approach both at the back and front from set pieces. Unfortunately those of us who clamoured for him to be in the England set up have to accept that it shouldn't happen now. Be honest , whether it's injuries, or an ineffective centre back partners or no alleged defensive training....he don't appear to be as effective anymore......cue slagging off ...response look at my avatar
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 22:45:43 GMT
Mike Dean is a t--t. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. We deserved to lose but some of his decisions (as usual), were crap. Linesman on our side yet again useless!
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Post by Royal Donut on Aug 20, 2016 22:59:51 GMT
Let's hope he has a good run of games and see him back to his best.
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Post by sevvy on Aug 20, 2016 23:30:38 GMT
I'm 40 and Ryan is in my top 3 players along with Ric and Steino. The bloke is pure class on and off the pitch. I'm 53 and no-one will surpass Jimmy Greenhoff as my top player, he is the reason why I, as a Southerner, have supported Stoke since 1970....but Ryan comes close. For those saying about his mobility/speed, there was a stat in last Sundays newspapers that showed him as the fastest Stoke player on the day (v Middlesbrough), that may just have been one isolated sprint, but it shows that perhaps he has retained his 'pace'after his back injury.
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 21, 2016 0:44:02 GMT
The nature of some of the Shawcy hammering on here is beyond belief.
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Post by outspaced on Aug 21, 2016 2:06:01 GMT
The nature of some of the Shawcy hammering on here is beyond belief. The fickle nature of the disposable modern fan Joe, if it ain't doing it's job right now then fuck it off. I'm sure that those who are ripping him to bits are comfortable in their own jobs and happy that they never ever fuck up. Ryan never hides. The majority of those having a pop would no doubt shit themselves if a few thousand people got on their backs.
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 21, 2016 2:24:34 GMT
The nature of some of the Shawcy hammering on here is beyond belief. The fickle nature of the disposable modern fan Joe, if it ain't doing it's job right now then fuck it off. I'm sure that those who are ripping him to bits are comfortable in their own jobs and happy that they never ever fuck up. Ryan never hides. The majority of those having a pop would no doubt shit themselves if a few thousand people got on their backs. There doesn't seem to be any provision for anything. If we'd lost and Shawcy wasn't playing it'd be because he was missing.
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Aug 21, 2016 6:33:49 GMT
I like Ryan Shawcross but the one fault with him is he doesnt learn from his mistakes. Its not the 1st time he has given a penalty away grabbing a players shirt . He must know you cannot do that in the area otherwise he will give penalties away every time
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Post by sportsman on Aug 21, 2016 6:40:44 GMT
The fickle nature of the disposable modern fan Joe, if it ain't doing it's job right now then fuck it off. I'm sure that those who are ripping him to bits are comfortable in their own jobs and happy that they never ever fuck up. Ryan never hides. The majority of those having a pop would no doubt shit themselves if a few thousand people got on their backs. There doesn't seem to be any provision for anything. If we'd lost and Shawcy wasn't playing it'd be because he was missing. Doesn't mean if he has a bad game, or is having a poor few months that his form and position can't be discussed.
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 21, 2016 6:55:49 GMT
There doesn't seem to be any provision for anything. If we'd lost and Shawcy wasn't playing it'd be because he was missing. Doesn't mean if he has a bad game, or is having a poor few months that his form and position can't be discussed. No it doesn't but as I said the nature of some of the criticism is what is striking.
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Post by foster on Aug 21, 2016 7:21:57 GMT
Any other defender did that they'd be slated. Ryan is no exception. It was ridiculously stupid and unnecessary.
The game was wide open up to that point.
I have zero patience for stupid things like that. He needs to sort it out because he is a serial offender when it comes to holding players.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 7:26:24 GMT
Just don't share your pessimism there mate. I acknowledge that we need a couple more if we can, but the squad still managed 9th despite being spectacularly inconsistent. If we drop a couple of places then, unfortunately won't be a surprise for some of the reasons you've mentioned, but to say we'll struggle I think is hyperbole. Something very wrong would have to take place for us to be scrapping amongst the bottom 3-5 teams. There's still plenty of talent in this squad. I'm sick and tired of this "we finished 9th" bollox. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything related to this season. Right now, we are worse off than we were at the end of last season. Shawcross is almost certainly finished and we haven't replaced him. And we don't have a finisher. We looked OK at times in MF against a very good team and Allen was a breath of fresh. However, Imbula was ineffective and Bojan wasn't much better. Wake up and smell the bacon. I hate the over-reactive negative bollox, yet here we are. Stating we, with this very same squad (and with the addition of a couple of others in it too), did indeed finish 9th only 3 months ago despite our horrific inconsistencies is hardly irrelevant to the context of my response. Saying 'we're going to struggle' with effectively that same squad with the talent at its disposal seems misplaced; it would need a real downturn in performance for that to happen. Of course real downturns can occur - look at Chelsea last year - so I'm not saying it's impossible, but making that statement after (what was) only 135 minutes into a new season I think is pessimistic bollox.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Aug 21, 2016 7:56:17 GMT
Let's face reality shaw cross is knackered he is miles away from what he was before his back problems and it is highly unlikely he will get back to that level but what is more worrying is that Hughes seems oblivious to this we need 2 new centre backs as wholly is garbage this is likely to be the qpr season we all feared when Hughes was appointed Knicker wetter alert, although to be fair, we seem to already seen some contagious knicker wetting lately. Showing concern is fine, but retaining a sense of perspective is equally important.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Aug 21, 2016 8:01:41 GMT
The nature of some of the Shawcy hammering on here is beyond belief. The fickle nature of the disposable modern fan Joe, if it ain't doing it's job right now then fuck it off. I'm sure that those who are ripping him to bits are comfortable in their own jobs and happy that they never ever fuck up. Ryan never hides. The majority of those having a pop would no doubt shit themselves if a few thousand people got on their backs. Never truer words said!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 8:11:36 GMT
Why will we mate? Don't think you can judge how the season will go based on one half of football against Man City. As disappointing as the scoreline and the disjointedness of our forward play has been, let's not forget we are playing an incredibly good team with a world-class front line. Yes, improvements need to be made but to say we're going to struggle this season seems a bit of an overreaction. Hopefully the players will have their better half attacking The Boothen End Struggle as after a summer window which has provided the most ever money and potential with two weeks to go until the window closes the 'obvious' frailties from last season have 'still' not been addressed!! Still not sure about the idea we'll 'struggle' mate - I'm sure we'll hit our own purple patches at some point during the season (which is only just over one week old) and I see no reason to panic, certainly not yet. We've all witnessed what our first XI are capable of, and the idea that they're going to be scrapping against relegation over the course of a whole season is difficult to imagine (whilst not inconceivable; it is sport after all). I don't see how we're not looking to spend money; our last 3 signings have come in at over £36m total with a very public offer for another at £20m+ so I don't think it's an unwillingness to spend or to address those frailties. Our approach to transfers are a matter for debate - and one that has been done to death on this board for as long as I can remember - but we do tend to get deals done in the end. Personally, I'm not overly concerned and think we'll see at least 2 new faces before the end of the window, and hopefully ones that can slot into the first team straightaway and not simply 'ones for the future'.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 8:21:27 GMT
Hughes needs to give Ryan a right bollocking, he knows Refs are just waiting for him to hold in the box, yet he he still goes and does it. He should, but he won't. Bollocking the captain is not something Hughes does. Obviously Shawcross is not the only defender who does manhandling, but he's too stupid to try and make it less obvious.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 21, 2016 8:32:44 GMT
I actually thought we defended better for most of the game compared to the Middlesborough game! Of course in the last few minutes we had to push for an equalizer and Man City had the quality to punish us. The first goal came because of a soft penalty which won't be given in many games, the second one was the worst because we didn't pick up their players in the box. Apart from this second goal I felt we defended better than in the previous game, and especially the fullbacks played better. On another day we could have got something from yesterday's game, but I only thought one situation should have led to a penalty yesterday and that was when Allen was brought down in the box. I know a lot of people will claim that the first penalty was a correct one, and maybe so, but I've watched a lot of other games these weekend and many situations occured that were worse than the incident(s) yesterday without anything being given. We also got a very soft one in the second half, but as I've said none of them would have been given by another ref. Because of this they also got their noses in front of us which is always positive and gives a team a boost.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 21, 2016 8:36:19 GMT
Any other defender did that they'd be slated. Ryan is no exception. It was ridiculously stupid and unnecessary. The game was wide open up to that point. I have zero patience for stupid things like that. He needs to sort it out because he is a serial offender when it comes to holding players. As is pretty much every other centre half ever to have played the game at the top level
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 21, 2016 8:40:04 GMT
I actually thought we defended better for most of the game compared to the Middlesborough game! Of course in the last few minutes we had to push for an equalizer and Man City had the quality to punish us. The first goal came because of a soft penalty which won't be given in many games, the second one was the worst because we didn't pick up their players in the box. Apart from this second goal I felt we defended better than in the previous game, and especially the fullbacks played better. On another day we could have got something from yesterday's game, but I only thought one situation should have led to a penalty yesterday and that was when Allen was brought down in the box. I know a lot of people will claim that the first penalty was a correct one, and maybe so, but I've watched a lot of other games these weekend and many situations occured that were worse than the incident(s) yesterday without anything being given. We also got a very soft one in the second half, but as I've said none of them would have been given by another ref. Because of this they also got their noses in front of us which is always positive and gives a team a boost. I only commented about 30 seconds before they got their 3rd goal, that we'd defended much better in open play today and competed well. 5 minutes later we are on the end of a thumping.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 21, 2016 8:44:29 GMT
I actually thought we defended better for most of the game compared to the Middlesborough game! Of course in the last few minutes we had to push for an equalizer and Man City had the quality to punish us. The first goal came because of a soft penalty which won't be given in many games, the second one was the worst because we didn't pick up their players in the box. Apart from this second goal I felt we defended better than in the previous game, and especially the fullbacks played better. On another day we could have got something from yesterday's game, but I only thought one situation should have led to a penalty yesterday and that was when Allen was brought down in the box. I know a lot of people will claim that the first penalty was a correct one, and maybe so, but I've watched a lot of other games these weekend and many situations occured that were worse than the incident(s) yesterday without anything being given. We also got a very soft one in the second half, but as I've said none of them would have been given by another ref. Because of this they also got their noses in front of us which is always positive and gives a team a boost. I only commented about 30 seconds before they got their 3rd goal, that we'd defended much better in open play today and competed well. 5 minutes later we are on the end of a thumping. We aren't good at defending with a high line and too few to defend that's for sure, but on the other hand I think it's right to have a go as we would end up with 0 points even if we let in one or two more.
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Post by stokienorthants on Aug 21, 2016 8:44:33 GMT
Danny Mills says we've got nothing to worry about - feel a bit better now haha Danny Murphy said the same, we should be ok Danni Mynogue also said we'd be fine.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 21, 2016 8:49:39 GMT
I only commented about 30 seconds before they got their 3rd goal, that we'd defended much better in open play today and competed well. 5 minutes later we are on the end of a thumping. We aren't good at defending with a high line and too few to defend that's for sure, but on the other hand I think it's right to have a go as we would end up with 0 points even if we let in one or two more. No problem for me in doing that. I'd rather die trying than lose wondering what might have been. There were many positives yesterday but there were also lots of small things that give genuine cause for concern.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 21, 2016 8:49:48 GMT
Danny Murphy said the same, we should be ok Danni Mynogue also said we'd be fine. Neither are as close to the pulse as we are , we sense turmoil over years and years of stoke experience and Murphy and mills don't .mynogue obviously a different case.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 21, 2016 8:59:20 GMT
Sadly Ryan doesn't look to be the player he once was, but there's some proper cuntish comments on here. Drop him? For fucking who?! Ryan has had this problem for over two full seasons it seems obvious that it is not going to go away, he was bought back at the end of last season to try and shore up the shambles we call our defence, has this impacted on his recovery ? I questioned the decision last season and got lambasted on here by the rimmers, he is not fit he should not be starting he needs resting/dropping on current form without doubt. The problem as you say who will replace him, Hughes has neglected our defensive capabilities for two seasons this is self inflicted and some serious questions need to be answered by Mark and his team.
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Post by blakngreen on Aug 21, 2016 9:09:10 GMT
I only commented about 30 seconds before they got their 3rd goal, that we'd defended much better in open play today and competed well. 5 minutes later we are on the end of a thumping. We aren't good at defending with a high line and too few to defend that's for sure, but on the other hand I think it's right to have a go as we would end up with 0 points even if we let in one or two more. This is one of the fundamental changes over the last few years, we are willing to try and win a game we wouldn't have done before. Previously we would try and manage the game to keep the score down whereas now we actively look to win a game and sometimes we will get on the end of a wrong un no matter how well we've played. I think the biggest problem is maintaining the balance between defence and attack and I also think we are a few players away from getting it right.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 21, 2016 9:35:46 GMT
Looking at the images from yesterday it appears there is only one real penalty from the game and that is for the foul on Allen.
Nowt for Ryan to apologise for at all, he was being fouled just as much as he was fouling their player.
Dean made a total dick of himself yesterday by giving the first, then missing the second and finally trying to make amends by giving us a soft one directly after being told he'd fucked up during the half time break.
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Post by foster on Aug 21, 2016 9:41:10 GMT
Any other defender did that they'd be slated. Ryan is no exception. It was ridiculously stupid and unnecessary. The game was wide open up to that point. I have zero patience for stupid things like that. He needs to sort it out because he is a serial offender when it comes to holding players. As is pretty much every other centre half ever to have played the game at the top level Maybe so but they don't make it so blatantly obvious.
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 21, 2016 9:48:23 GMT
Just seen a replay for the first time on Goals on Sunday. Very harsh indeed, both players had hold of each other, you usually see those decisions given the other way. Everyone on the show also agreed it was harsh.
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