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Post by alster on Aug 14, 2016 6:00:54 GMT
Our system demands full backs who excell overlapping and crossing, apart from Johnson non of them really fit the bill. I could live with defensive frailties if they were whipping quality balls into the box on a regular basis but they are woeful at this. Posters is normally better defensively but was toss yesterday, his crossing is consistently awful.
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Post by owdestokie on Aug 14, 2016 6:44:02 GMT
Our system demands full backs who excell overlapping and crossing, apart from Johnson non of them really fit the bill. I could live with defensive frailties if they were whipping quality balls into the box on a regular basis but they are woeful at this. Posters is normally better defensively but was toss yesterday, his crossing is consistently awful. As I questioned earlier "Is it our system that needs adapting" until we have the players who can fulfil the roles the "system" requires? Square pegs/round holes was a well used phrase several years ago on the Oatie. Like systems its perhaps not fashionable anymore!!
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Post by iancransonsknees on Aug 14, 2016 6:46:36 GMT
Pieters didn't have a clue what was going on around him at times Can't get my head around it. He's a shadow of the player he was only 12-18 months ago. What happened? Sent from my SM-G928F using proboards He got his contract extension.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 14, 2016 7:14:22 GMT
Our system demands full backs who excell overlapping and crossing, apart from Johnson non of them really fit the bill. I could live with defensive frailties if they were whipping quality balls into the box on a regular basis but they are woeful at this. Posters is normally better defensively but was toss yesterday, his crossing is consistently awful. As I questioned earlier "Is it our system that needs adapting" until we have the players who can fulfil the roles the "system" requires? Square pegs/round holes was a well used phrase several years ago on the Oatie. Like systems its perhaps not fashionable anymore!! Bit of a difference between that and playing a centre half on the wing Owde.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 14, 2016 7:28:58 GMT
Our system demands full backs who excell overlapping and crossing, apart from Johnson non of them really fit the bill. I could live with defensive frailties if they were whipping quality balls into the box on a regular basis but they are woeful at this. Posters is normally better defensively but was toss yesterday, his crossing is consistently awful. As I questioned earlier "Is it our system that needs adapting" until we have the players who can fulfil the roles the "system" requires? Square pegs/round holes was a well used phrase several years ago on the Oatie. Like systems its perhaps not fashionable anymore!! Every single player who lined up yesterday was playing in their rightful position on the pitch. Not one square peg in a round hole. Next.
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Post by pigshead on Aug 14, 2016 7:53:38 GMT
Peters has been woeful since signing his new contract.. I thought he was playing for Boro yesterdayš..
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Post by owdestokie on Aug 14, 2016 8:11:10 GMT
As I questioned earlier "Is it our system that needs adapting" until we have the players who can fulfil the roles the "system" requires? Square pegs/round holes was a well used phrase several years ago on the Oatie. Like systems its perhaps not fashionable anymore!! Every single player who lined up yesterday was playing in their rightful position on the pitch. Not one square peg in a round hole. Next. Next. Not if they are unable to adapt to a system that does meet their individual natural talents. Like I said don't employ a system that leaves players exposed to criticism whoever they may be or what position they naturally play.
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Post by owdestokie on Aug 14, 2016 8:12:26 GMT
As I questioned earlier "Is it our system that needs adapting" until we have the players who can fulfil the roles the "system" requires? Square pegs/round holes was a well used phrase several years ago on the Oatie. Like systems its perhaps not fashionable anymore!! Bit of a difference between that and playing a centre half on the wing Owde. or Diouf at RB or RW
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 14, 2016 8:20:35 GMT
Its fair to say pieters had a mare yesterday. Arguably the worst I've ever seen him play.
Adomah gave him a torrid time and he was very poor twice in the build up to their goal.
Both full backs were poor yesterday. Offered nothing offensively and didn't stop crosses going into the box.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 14, 2016 8:34:52 GMT
Bit of a difference between that and playing a centre half on the wing Owde. or Diouf at RB or RW He's played RB twice in an absolute emergency. He's crap on the wing absolutely. Much like Berahino is at WBA. And Carl Asaba, Chris Greenacre etc were here.
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Post by alster on Aug 14, 2016 8:52:10 GMT
Its fair to say pieters had a mare yesterday. Arguably the worst I've ever seen him play. Adomah gave him a torrid time and he was very poor twice in the build up to their goal. Both full backs were poor yesterday. Offered nothing offensively and didn't stop crosses going into the box. I don't think our full backs being poor offensively yesterday was anything other than the norm when Johnson is missing. He's the only one who produces anything like quality balls into the box. With the wingers inverted it vital that the full backs are good crossers of the ball.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Aug 14, 2016 9:11:37 GMT
Its fair to say pieters had a mare yesterday. Arguably the worst I've ever seen him play. Adomah gave him a torrid time and he was very poor twice in the build up to their goal. Both full backs were poor yesterday. Offered nothing offensively and didn't stop crosses going into the box. I don't think our full backs being poor offensively yesterday was anything other than the norm when Johnson is missing. He's the only one who produces anything like quality balls into the box. With the wingers inverted it vital that the full backs are good crossers of the ball. Spot on.An attacking left back would be top of my shopping list.How many times last season,especially at home, did we see Arnie and Shaq double marked.Having overlapping full backs who can cross the ball will help us massively in breaking down teams.It will also give Arnie and Shaq more space.
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Post by alster on Aug 14, 2016 9:17:23 GMT
I don't think our full backs being poor offensively yesterday was anything other than the norm when Johnson is missing. He's the only one who produces anything like quality balls into the box. With the wingers inverted it vital that the full backs are good crossers of the ball. Spot on.An attacking left back would be top of my shopping list.How many times last season,especially at home, did we see Arnie and Shaq double marked.Having overlapping full backs who can cross the ball will help us massively in breaking down teams.It will also give Arnie and Shaq more space. Been a problem for ages its a massive position in the modern game need players with pace a great engine and quality delivery. Not easy to find.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 14, 2016 9:24:43 GMT
I don't think our full backs being poor offensively yesterday was anything other than the norm when Johnson is missing. He's the only one who produces anything like quality balls into the box. With the wingers inverted it vital that the full backs are good crossers of the ball. Spot on.An attacking left back would be top of my shopping list.How many times last season,especially at home, did we see Arnie and Shaq double marked.Having overlapping full backs who can cross the ball will help us massively in breaking down teams.It will also give Arnie and Shaq more space. The system we play simply does not suit the personnel we have, some of the players were bought in by Hughes some by Pulis, not sure what Hughes is trying to achieve here the system he is using is not working with the players he has which does he change ?, one will compromise his style the other could bankrupt the club.
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Post by alster on Aug 14, 2016 9:32:05 GMT
Spot on.An attacking left back would be top of my shopping list.How many times last season,especially at home, did we see Arnie and Shaq double marked.Having overlapping full backs who can cross the ball will help us massively in breaking down teams.It will also give Arnie and Shaq more space. The system we play simply does not suit the personnel we have, some of the players were bought in by Hughes some by Pulis, not sure what Hughes is trying to achieve here the system he is using is not working with the players he has which does he change ?, one will compromise his style the other could bankrupt the club. Bankrupt the club what utter nonsense its just a scouting issue we need to find young hungry pacy fullbacks that generally have decent delivery. I don't know who they are but they will exist. Given the correct brief scouts should be able to unearth them. When you've identified and signed them maybe the manager needs to be braver in introducing young players.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 14, 2016 9:37:46 GMT
or Diouf at RB or RW He's played RB twice in an absolute emergency. He's crap on the wing absolutely. Much like Berahino is at WBA. And Carl Asaba, Chris Greenacre etc were here. Cresswell did alright - seemed to work quite well for him in terms of popping up at the back post with an important goal!
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 14, 2016 9:39:07 GMT
If we had quick full-backs we'd be a better team, it's that simple.
Johnson can shift but he's not getting any younger, and I like Ekker but he's not quick enough to play the system Hughesy is using, there was a few occasions yesterday when an overlapping full-back could have really hurt 'Boro but no-one arrived.
I'd like to see Taylor given a game in the cup, see if he has the potential to see some first team action.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 14, 2016 9:39:24 GMT
They struggled in all aspects of the game yesterday, attacking, defending and passing all seemed to cause them problems. They looked way off the pace with the Boro players seeing everything and reacting before them.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 14, 2016 9:41:22 GMT
The system we play simply does not suit the personnel we have, some of the players were bought in by Hughes some by Pulis, not sure what Hughes is trying to achieve here the system he is using is not working with the players he has which does he change ?, one will compromise his style the other could bankrupt the club. Bankrupt the club what utter nonsense its just a scouting issue we need to find young hungry pacy fullbacks that generally have decent delivery. I don't know who they are but they will exist. Given the correct brief scouts should be able to unearth them. When you've identified and signed them maybe the manager needs to be braver in introducing young players. He needs to ship out some of the players he has bought in who will be on relatively high salaries however who would want them, as for our scouts do you really trust them after the Wolly signing, the tex signing, MVG, Joselu and to top it all the Danish excuse for a GK.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 14, 2016 9:44:27 GMT
He's played RB twice in an absolute emergency. He's crap on the wing absolutely. Much like Berahino is at WBA. And Carl Asaba, Chris Greenacre etc were here. Cresswell did alright - seemed to work quite well for him in terms of popping up at the back post with an important goal! Did great in the Championship. Awful in the Prem. The times it's worked best in the Prem have been under Hughes with Odemwingie playing there and to a lesser extent SJW.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 14, 2016 9:44:47 GMT
They struggled in all aspects of the game yesterday, attacking, defending and passing all seemed to cause them problems. They looked way off the pace with the Boro players seeing everything and reacting before them. It is the usual slow start from a Hughes team , what a load of bollocks we are not ready again why does Hughes do this every season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2016 9:47:47 GMT
Both on show at Boro are decent senior pros capable of good steady performances at this level
but at times, both were 'all over the shop' yesterday
and defensively - basket cases - at critical moments in the game
both will know themselves they've got to improve form rapidly
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Post by stokerstayinup on Aug 14, 2016 9:49:07 GMT
Spot on.An attacking left back would be top of my shopping list.How many times last season,especially at home, did we see Arnie and Shaq double marked.Having overlapping full backs who can cross the ball will help us massively in breaking down teams.It will also give Arnie and Shaq more space. Been a problem for ages its a massive position in the modern game need players with pace a great engine and quality delivery. Not easy to find. Amavi or Robertson would do for me.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 14, 2016 9:49:09 GMT
They struggled in all aspects of the game yesterday, attacking, defending and passing all seemed to cause them problems. They looked way off the pace with the Boro players seeing everything and reacting before them. It is the usual slow start from a Hughes team , what a load of bollocks we are not ready again why does Hughes do this every season. Good job Woolscheid was on the ball in the 2nd half. Covered for the other guys a couple of times
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Post by alster on Aug 14, 2016 9:55:29 GMT
Bankrupt the club what utter nonsense its just a scouting issue we need to find young hungry pacy fullbacks that generally have decent delivery. I don't know who they are but they will exist. Given the correct brief scouts should be able to unearth them. When you've identified and signed them maybe the manager needs to be braver in introducing young players. He needs to ship out some of the players he has bought in who will be on relatively high salaries however who would want them, as for our scouts do you really trust them after the Wolly signing, the tex signing, MVG, Joselu and to top it all the Danish excuse for a GK. Yeah I would trust our scouts to identify players I'm not of the opinion that Wolly is a poor signing, I thought MVG would have done better given more time, I would not have been too unhappy with him as our own player don't think you can be so patient with a loanee. I can see some good bits in Joselu that I'm sure attracted them to him although on evidence so far I don't think he's going to cut it in England. Tex and Haugaard are somewhat puzzling but you're only ever going to achieve a %age of successes. Who are these teams that only ever bring in players that make the grade I must have been missing something during my 30/40 years addiction to the game.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2016 10:00:54 GMT
Bankrupt the club what utter nonsense its just a scouting issue we need to find young hungry pacy fullbacks that generally have decent delivery. I don't know who they are but they will exist. Given the correct brief scouts should be able to unearth them. When you've identified and signed them maybe the manager needs to be braver in introducing young players. He needs to ship out some of the players he has bought in who will be on relatively high salaries however who would want them, as for our scouts do you really trust them after the Wolly signing, the tex signing, MVG, JoseluĀ and to top it all the Danish excuse for a GK. So were you not happy with the signing of Butland, Arnie, Bojan, Imbula, Allen, Shaqiri, or were our scouts shit then as well?
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Post by alster on Aug 14, 2016 10:01:03 GMT
Been a problem for ages its a massive position in the modern game need players with pace a great engine and quality delivery. Not easy to find. Amavi or Robertson would do for me. I've never watched either player closely enough to form an opinion Amavi did catch my eye once early last season but I'd need focus on him rather than just generally watching a game. If Robertson is the guy at Hull I thought he looked decent in yesterdays game in the 40/50 minutes that I watched. Not one I've really seen much of previously.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Aug 14, 2016 10:08:43 GMT
If Pieters is going to carry on at the start of this season like he finished last season then I'd be looking to give Taylor a go. He used to play as a winger in the academy so obviously he won't have a nose bleed once he gets beyond the half way. I would say his delivery will be better than Pieters but then I think mine is. We know Eric is a good player but some reason he seems to be struggling for a bit of form.
As for right back a fit Glenn Johnson is great but again if he cant be relied on then I vote for Trippier if he's available.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 14, 2016 10:09:53 GMT
He needs to ship out some of the players he has bought in who will be on relatively high salaries however who would want them, as for our scouts do you really trust them after the Wolly signing, the tex signing, MVG, Joselu and to top it all the Danish excuse for a GK. So were you not happy with the signing of Butland, Arnie, Bojan, Imbula, Allen, Shaqiri, or were our scouts shit then as well? Butland the stand out name there I believe was signed by Pulis and his team, Arnie , Bojan good player, the others well time will tell all signed for big money all midfielders.
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Post by alster on Aug 14, 2016 10:12:44 GMT
So were you not happy with the signing of Butland, Arnie, Bojan, Imbula, Allen, Shaqiri, or were our scouts shit then as well? Butland the stand out name there I believe was signed by Pulis and his team, Arnie , Bojan good player, the others well time will tell all signed for big money all midfielders. I believe common consensus from within the club was that Pulis was livid with the Butland signing as he wanted to waste the money elsewhere.
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