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Post by ryan4england on Aug 13, 2016 21:03:03 GMT
We've established ourselves I don't see any benefit in being the promoted team again Probably fair to say though we'll never ever recapture the feeling of beating Villa in that first home game 2008 or the goals at Wembley Even beating the likes of Man U, Chelsea etc has been achieved
Would it be fair to say (and this isn't criticism) that we are slightly stuck in a rut???
What we really need is that elusive trophy or another Wembley appearance, obv more likely to be cup
I know what you are saying we've done well since being in the League, I would'nt say we were stuck in a rut but if there was one thing that's in a rut I'd say it's our style of play. I personally don't think it's exciting football we play. I don't like this slow paced half arsed, looking for openings look. There has to be a better football to play with the players we have. We have exciting players but the football is dull imo
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Post by ryan4england on Aug 13, 2016 21:05:05 GMT
We play with one foot on the brake, I honestly think we try to over think it whereas with a fast paced game you just do it and read your team mates better. Football on instinct & impulse not just design
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 13, 2016 21:05:06 GMT
Sorry but we've paid our dues in the lower tiers - I never thought I'd live to see the day after the play off loss to Leicester all those years ago. So here we are firmly established in the Prem and I for one would be devastated to be relegated - never mind parachute payments, there is no guarantee of a swift return from the wilderness.
Yes , I get as frustrated as the next man when we struggle or under-achieve but cast my mind back - and not too far - as to the sometime abject misery of the lower tiers and then it don't seem quite so bad after all.
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Post by jwhpotter on Aug 13, 2016 21:12:59 GMT
Well football season has arrived and I don't think I've ever been less excited. On the flip side, I'm really looking forward to our trip to Stevenage and the most enjoyable day out last season was away at Doncaster. Would it really be so bad if we got relegated or am I being old, miserable and a bit daft? Dunno about old and miserable but yes 'just a bit' daft!
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Post by trentvale68 on Aug 13, 2016 21:15:04 GMT
Probably fair to say though we'll never ever recapture the feeling of beating Villa in that first home game 2008 or the goals at Wembley Even beating the likes of Man U, Chelsea etc has been achieved
Would it be fair to say (and this isn't criticism) that we are slightly stuck in a rut???
What we really need is that elusive trophy or another Wembley appearance, obv more likely to be cup
I know what you are saying we've done well since being in the League, I would'nt say we were stuck in a rut but if there was one thing that's in a rut I'd say it's our style of play. I personally don't think it's exciting football we play. I don't like this slow paced half arsed, looking for openings look. There has to be a better football to play with the players we have. We have exciting players but the football is dull imo I agree and yet the majority seem to love it - I think tika taka is turgid when there is little end product
I prefer the long ball anyday when its done well with accurate long passes rather than just launch without looking up, and with the right players as your strikers. Or even better to mix it up a bit as good sides do. We have none of that in our locker, there is too little real pace and we're an open book to the opposition in how we play. I'm not complaining about the league finishes but I'm not a huge lover of the Hughes playbook, its just not my style of football that I like. That's not an endorsement either of Pulis before people jump on it. Saying that how we played at Wembley in 2011 is the way I would like to see us play - fast, direct, aggressive. Ive little doubt that the 2011 team would beat the one today despite possibly technically inferior players. But that was then and now we are only set up to play this way without any plan B.
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Post by trentvale68 on Aug 13, 2016 21:17:49 GMT
Sorry but we've paid our dues in the lower tiers - I never thought I'd live to see the day after the play off loss to Leicester all those years ago. So here we are firmly established in the Prem and I for one would be devastated to be relegated - never mind parachute payments, there is no guarantee of a swift return from the wilderness. Yes , I get as frustrated as the next man when we struggle or under-achieve but cast my mind back - and not too far - as to the sometime abject misery of the lower tiers and then it don't seem quite so bad after all. Very, very true
Portsmouth, Blackpool - both League 2
its a hell of a long way back, maybe never happen again for those clubs - plus the danger of one bad season at that level and it really is curtains!!
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Post by ryan4england on Aug 13, 2016 21:23:44 GMT
I know what you are saying we've done well since being in the League, I would'nt say we were stuck in a rut but if there was one thing that's in a rut I'd say it's our style of play. I personally don't think it's exciting football we play. I don't like this slow paced half arsed, looking for openings look. There has to be a better football to play with the players we have. We have exciting players but the football is dull imo I agree and yet the majority seem to love it - I think tika taka is turgid when there is little end product
I prefer the long ball anyday when its done well with accurate long passes rather than just launch without looking up, and with the right players as your strikers. Or even better to mix it up a bit as good sides do. We have none of that in our locker, there is too little real pace and we're an open book to the opposition in how we play. I'm not complaining about the league finishes but I'm not a huge lover of the Hughes playbook, its just not my style of football that I like. That's not an endorsement either of Pulis before people jump on it. Saying that how we played at Wembley in 2011 is the way I would like to see us play - fast, direct, aggressive. Ive little doubt that the 2011 team would beat the one today despite possibly technically inferior players. But that was then and now we are only set up to play this way without any plan B.
fast, direct, aggressive is my cup of tea aswell. Pulis' football at it's best was very good and razor blades to the eyes at it's worst. I think we just try to be too clever instead of doing the simple things. This is why I call for a Benteke and to alter our style slightly, pace out wide running with the ball and hurrying it up a bit to get crosses in, it would add a whole different dimension to our game. All this wingers receiving the ball and cutting back is both predictable & counter productive imo, it cuts the momentum, if they drove forward with the intention of getting deeper and getting crosses in people like imbula could make it up there to get involved with a Benteke & bojan. With a Benteke as a lone front man Bojan would still have a big part to play as we mixed it up and he freed the widemen to get crosses in aswell as driving forward with the ball, even feeding off benteke's knock downs and scraps I think little tweaks could make all the difference, the above would add pace to our play.
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 13, 2016 21:27:27 GMT
Do you live up Yorks Dave, cause a mate of mine who was on the Stoke books in the 80's is a season ticket holder at Bradford. Been with him myself... Yes mate. Just got off the train at Skipton "just got of off the train!" Been on the piss then. Hope you managed to get a curry in
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 13, 2016 21:30:25 GMT
Very true. It really is, as foxy has described, the very best and very worst of things. I'm blaming the Olympics. I felt the same and posted similar seemingly in 2012. The older I get the further removed football gets from the game I grew up obsessed with and the less enjoyable it becomes. Meanwhile the Olympics is reminding me every day what sport is all about. Maybe it's you that's changing Dave. Could you try not going as much, so it doesn't feel like so much of an obligation/habit? I think I'm about ten years older than you and I used to go to pretty much every game, even Brighton and Bournemouth away mid-week but I seriously cut back about 10 years ago because it did feel like it was becoming a bit of a grind. I still have a season ticket but pick and choose my away games now (no more than 4 or 5 a season) and every one is a real event for me, rather than just another match to go to. Dunno, just an idea. Of that there is no doubt mate. Won't be doing anywhere near as much this season away from home, so much so, after Stevenage (and any midweek cup game thereafter) my next away game will be liverpool away on boxing day
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Post by homer32 on Aug 13, 2016 21:30:35 GMT
This thread is a joke isn't it?.Going down would be a disaster for our club and hopefully it ain't going to happen anytime soon.Then to say we are 'in a rut' presumably because we have finished 9th for the last 3 seasons is a pathetic comment.How many clubs would like to be in OUR rut ? All 92 clubs would with the exception probably 7 ( Man U & City, Liverpool,Everton,Chelsea,Arsenal,Spurs) who all have far more funds to send on players.I despair with some of our fans.
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Post by adi on Aug 13, 2016 21:32:04 GMT
How has this not been binned?
Admin are a fickle breed on here...
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Post by trentvale68 on Aug 13, 2016 21:38:10 GMT
I agree and yet the majority seem to love it - I think tika taka is turgid when there is little end product
I prefer the long ball anyday when its done well with accurate long passes rather than just launch without looking up, and with the right players as your strikers. Or even better to mix it up a bit as good sides do. We have none of that in our locker, there is too little real pace and we're an open book to the opposition in how we play. I'm not complaining about the league finishes but I'm not a huge lover of the Hughes playbook, its just not my style of football that I like. That's not an endorsement either of Pulis before people jump on it. Saying that how we played at Wembley in 2011 is the way I would like to see us play - fast, direct, aggressive. Ive little doubt that the 2011 team would beat the one today despite possibly technically inferior players. But that was then and now we are only set up to play this way without any plan B.
fast, direct, aggressive is my cup of tea aswell. Pulis' football at it's best was very good and razor blades to the eyes at it's worst. I think we just try to be too clever instead of doing the simple things. This is why I call for a Benteke and to alter our style slightly, pace out wide running with the ball and hurrying it up a bit to get crosses in, it would add a whole different dimension to our game. All this wingers receiving the ball and cutting back is both predictable & counter productive imo, it cuts the momentum, if they drove forward with the intention of getting deeper and getting crosses in people like imbula could make it up there to get involved with a Benteke & bojan. With a Benteke as a lone front man Bojan would still have a big part to play as we mixed it up and he freed the widemen to get crosses in aswell as driving forward with the ball, even feeding off benteke's knock downs and scraps I think little tweaks could make all the difference, the above would add pace to our play. That's a very good assessment.
Im not sure Benteke would be the answer, I just don't see how he'd adapt to our carpet football. He's an aerial man, not passes to feet. He would have been ideal with Pennant & Ethers where we had natural width and good quality crosses unlike now where we have wingers who aren't out & out wingers and who don't always deliver good quality crosses
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 13, 2016 21:39:04 GMT
How has this not been binned? Admin are a fickle breed on here... Perhaps because it isn't saying how crap we are or even suggesting we will go down but is actually raising some genuine points about how the highest period of my stoke supporting life can feel so dull. Take today. I've met up with some good mates, had a good laugh and a few beers. Pre and post match was great. The game was shit. Two crap teams who could barely muster a shot at goal worthy of the name.
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Post by trentvale68 on Aug 13, 2016 21:54:30 GMT
How has this not been binned? Admin are a fickle breed on here... Perhaps because it isn't saying how crap we are or even suggesting we will go down but is actually raising some genuine points about how the highest period of my stoke supporting life can feel so dull. Take today. I've met up with some good mates, had a good laugh and a few beers. Pre and post match was great. The game was shit. Two crap teams who could barely muster a shot at goal worthy of the name. There seems to be getting more & more of a party line on here, Im starting to think Hughes has got this massive extended family on here LOL
Anything like dissent gets jumped on ferociously. Ive seen more freedom of speech in pre Saddam Iraq.
Personally I see many threads & posts that are complete arsegravy but I enjoy differing views and have the good manners not to call other people pathetic or start on personal attacks just because I see things differently.
I could be a right funny cunt ifI wanted to (trust me sometimes you need to be in Trent Vegas) but I think I was raised right and speak the same way on a forum as I would face to face with folk.
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Post by stokie1130 on Aug 13, 2016 22:31:16 GMT
This has got to be up there with one of the most thick as fuck posts on here. You sir, are a tit. How so? I've watched stoke pretty much my whole life and arguably we have the best team I've ever seen in our colours. I'm not saying I want to go down or that we will but in all honesty mid table obscurity is a tad boring. Does it really matter that we were abysmal in the 1st half today? Doesn't it really matter that we were so much better in the second half? Todays result doesn't really matter. For me, its just getting mote and more dull each season. That isn't a criticism of Hughes, stoke city or any prediction of impending doom, its more a reflection of modern day top flight football. We won't win the league. We aren't good enough to break into the top 6 or 7, we will probably always fall just short in the cup competitions but we are nowhere near bad enough to go down. In truth, last season was superb. 9th and a penalty kick away from a major cup final yet for many it was still not good enough. Why not, go and play golf, go fishing or do something else, or go watch rugby or some other sport then if football nower days is so boring for you. Fuck me I tell you what, nowt queerer than folk, i really question the human race, really fucked in the head, basically no matter what happens, there will always be some twat who isn't happy, i even if we won the league there would be some tit posting on here saying bring back TP. Your trolling arnt ya?? You must be
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 22:47:07 GMT
Short memories..Fucking hell, I could think of nothing worse than relegation.
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