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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 1, 2016 11:05:03 GMT
He was away but when he was here he was barely played up front. When he wasn't here is neither here nor there! He played in 26 of last seasons games, 1269 mins in total, Glenn Whelan played the most minutes with 3174, so I'd say he missed a fair chunk of playing time due to whatever reasons. Your last sentence is a bit benjiesque for a thick fucker like me that's just done a night shift Missing game time isn't the issue, it's where he was played ie not up front!
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Post by elystokie on Aug 1, 2016 11:07:59 GMT
He played in 26 of last seasons games, 1269 mins in total, Glenn Whelan played the most minutes with 3174, so I'd say he missed a fair chunk of playing time due to whatever reasons. Your last sentence is a bit benjiesque for a thick fucker like me that's just done a night shift :) Missing game time isn't the issue, it's where he was played ie not up front! Missing game time was what my original post referred to!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 1, 2016 11:09:32 GMT
Missing game time isn't the issue, it's where he was played ie not up front! Missing game time was what my original post referred to! But it has no relevance with how Hughes has played him in the two years here which is what I was on about.
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Post by elystokie on Aug 1, 2016 11:18:11 GMT
Missing game time was what my original post referred to! But it has no relevance with how Hughes has played him in the two years here which is what I was on about. If he'd been available, he might have played him up front, we* don't know. He also might have used his managerial nous, if he thought it was needed, by not putting pressure on him by making him our main goalscorer at a time when his mental state may not have been the best. *when I say 'we' I obviously don't mean you, you 'know' everything :)
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Post by thehoof on Aug 1, 2016 12:08:25 GMT
Whelan has been an absolute bargain for £0.5m, but his best days are now behind him and he should be a bench player for most of the season. When we talk about the Whelan role, what exactly do we mean? If it is as the holding midfielder protecting the central defenders, then it wasn't very effective last season, as I am pretty sure GW played in that role in our runs of conceding 3 and then 4 goals on the bounce? Wollscheid was slated, Shaqiri was questioned for not tracking back, Haugaard and Given could not save twopence, but the CDM was never questioned? You see, it is a collective responsibility that runs through the team.An intelligent footballer, which I think Allen is, should be able to adapt. Whelan has been superb, and will still have a role to play, but it should be from the bench.
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Post by Jimmyg on Aug 1, 2016 12:18:47 GMT
3 5 2
Johnson Ryan Eric
Glen Allen
Arnie imbula bojan shaq
Mame walters
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Post by Jimmyg on Aug 1, 2016 12:19:08 GMT
3 5 2
Johnson Ryan Eric
Glen Allen
Arnie imbula bojan shaq
Mame walters
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 12:27:55 GMT
3 5 2 Johnson Ryan Eric Glen Allen Arnie imbula bojan shaq Mame walters 11 outfield players. Like it.
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Post by Jimmyg on Aug 1, 2016 12:47:12 GMT
3 5 2 Johnson Ryan Eric Glen Allen Arnie imbula bojan shaq Mame walters 11 outfield players. Like it. Mame/walters
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 1, 2016 12:51:03 GMT
Hughes will not go 3-5-2 (or 3-6-2!!) as his default system. Allen will take Glenn Whelan's starting spot. Easy peasy.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 1, 2016 12:59:28 GMT
But it has no relevance with how Hughes has played him in the two years here which is what I was on about. If he'd been available, he might have played him up front, we* don't know. He also might have used his managerial nous, if he thought it was needed, by not putting pressure on him by making him our main goalscorer at a time when his mental state may not have been the best. *when I say 'we' I obviously don't mean you, you 'know' everything There is nothing to suggest this would have happened though and the evidence we have shows the opposite.
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Post by elystokie on Aug 1, 2016 13:16:17 GMT
If he'd been available, he might have played him up front, we* don't know. He also might have used his managerial nous, if he thought it was needed, by not putting pressure on him by making him our main goalscorer at a time when his mental state may not have been the best. *when I say 'we' I obviously don't mean you, you 'know' everything :) There is nothing to suggest this would have happened though and the evidence we have shows the opposite. We have no evidence of Mame's true mental state, I doubt anybody does.
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Post by samba :) on Aug 1, 2016 15:50:23 GMT
4-3-3 with bojan playing up front/ false nine thing
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 1, 2016 15:52:40 GMT
Anywhere he wants.
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Post by Jimmyg on Aug 1, 2016 16:19:39 GMT
Hughes will not go 3-5-2 (or 3-6-2!!) as his default system. Allen will take Glenn Whelan's starting spot. Easy peasy. Ment bojan playing behind mame up front,makes sense to play to our strengths as we now have quality midfield. Think you'll be surprised with Whelan cant see him being dropped imo and rightly so
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 20:45:19 GMT
in midfield surely ?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 1, 2016 23:01:47 GMT
Allen and Imbula will both come short asking for the ball from defence. Allen is more likely to play the simple pass, be it forwards or sideways. Imbula might be more inclined to carry it himself. Either way both will be looking forward at the first opportunity
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 1, 2016 23:02:28 GMT
There is nothing to suggest this would have happened though and the evidence we have shows the opposite. We have no evidence of Mame's true mental state, I doubt anybody does. What's that got to do with where he plays?
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Post by kustokie on Aug 2, 2016 0:21:59 GMT
Missing game time was what my original post referred to! But it has no relevance with how Hughes has played him in the two years here which is what I was on about. I'm with you on this Bayern. I really don't understand why Hughes doesn't persist with Diouf at CF and keep him there. He'd settle down playing in the same position every game and his team mates would get used to it. He's not a winger and wasted playing out wide.
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Post by elystokie on Aug 2, 2016 6:23:32 GMT
We have no evidence of Mame's true mental state, I doubt anybody does. What's that got to do with where he plays? Covered earlier, going around in circles now, you appear to like that, I'm not so keen.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 2, 2016 6:44:12 GMT
What's that got to do with where he plays? Covered earlier, going around in circles now, you appear to like that, I'm not so keen. His mental state has no affect on where he played though! 😂😂 If anything you'd want him playing up front because that's what he's used to but even when he was grieving his first game back was at right back! An alien position.
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Post by potterblade on Aug 2, 2016 9:00:56 GMT
Butland
Pieters Shawcross Wollshied Johnson
ALLEN Imbula
Arnie Bojan Shaq
Diouf
Clearly the best formation available but we will never see it
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 2, 2016 9:04:45 GMT
Butland Pieters Shawcross Wollshied Johnson ALLEN Imbula Arnie Bojan Shaq Diouf Clearly the best formation available but we will never see it Why won't we see it? I think there is every chance that we will see that line-up start the season away at Middlesboro. The following week, I expect Whelan to come in for Diouf with Bojan taking up the false 9 position. Injuries permitting of course. The only other issue is at centre half because if they all come through the pre-season unscathed, I think Muniesa or Cameron have a very good chance of lining up alongside Ryan Shawcross.
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Post by potterblade on Aug 2, 2016 9:11:20 GMT
Butland Pieters Shawcross Wollshied Johnson ALLEN Imbula Arnie Bojan Shaq Diouf Clearly the best formation available but we will never see it Why won't we see it? I think there is every chance that we will see that line-up start the season away at Middlesboro. The following week, I expect Whelan to come in for Diouf with Bojan taking up the false 9 position. Injuries permitting of course. The only other issue is at centre half because if they all come through the pre-season unscathed, I think Muniesa or Cameron have a very good chance of lining up alongside Ryan Shawcross. Bojan and Diouf never ever play together and Hughes has been shy about playing BMX together. Be great to see that XI injury free put a run together but the chances are minimal. Think false 9 will only work a handful of times a season and will be shown up more often than not.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 2, 2016 9:26:38 GMT
Why won't we see it? I think there is every chance that we will see that line-up start the season away at Middlesboro. The following week, I expect Whelan to come in for Diouf with Bojan taking up the false 9 position. Injuries permitting of course. The only other issue is at centre half because if they all come through the pre-season unscathed, I think Muniesa or Cameron have a very good chance of lining up alongside Ryan Shawcross. Bojan and Diouf never ever play together and Hughes has been shy about playing BMX together. Be great to see that XI injury free put a run together but the chances are minimal. Think false 9 will only work a handful of times a season and will be shown up more often than not. I disagree. I'm not sure where this Bojan/Diouf thing comes from to be honest. They've never really been fit or on form together so haven't really been available for selection at the same time. When Diouf hit form, Bojan was injured and when Bojan returned from injury, Diouf was going through his own personal crisis. Bojan and Diouf have both played together in the two friendlies in which they have been available. Bojan has created both of Diouf's goals I think and has scored himself. As for the BMX combination, again, I think that is more down to fitness and availability than it is to do with a reluctance to play them together. When they were all fit and available, they all played. We even ditched a traditional centre forward to accommodate them all alongside the in-form Affelay. Berahino arriving may scupper the Bojan/Diouf partnership but I see Berahino very much in the mould of Diouf in that his best asset is his pace and movement. Diouf is perhaps stronger aerially and Berahino would appear to be a more consistent finisher.
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Post by potterblade on Aug 2, 2016 10:23:32 GMT
Bojan and Diouf never ever play together and Hughes has been shy about playing BMX together. Be great to see that XI injury free put a run together but the chances are minimal. Think false 9 will only work a handful of times a season and will be shown up more often than not. I disagree. I'm not sure where this Bojan/Diouf thing comes from to be honest. They've never really been fit or on form together so haven't really been available for selection at the same time. When Diouf hit form, Bojan was injured and when Bojan returned from injury, Diouf was going through his own personal crisis. Bojan and Diouf have both played together in the two friendlies in which they have been available. Bojan has created both of Diouf's goals I think and has scored himself. As for the BMX combination, again, I think that is more down to fitness and availability than it is to do with a reluctance to play them together. When they were all fit and available, they all played. We even ditched a traditional centre forward to accommodate them all alongside the in-form Affelay. Berahino arriving may scupper the Bojan/Diouf partnership but I see Berahino very much in the mould of Diouf in that his best asset is his pace and movement. Diouf is perhaps stronger aerially and Berahino would appear to be a more consistent finisher. Bojan and Diouf have been part of the same squad for a 2 seasons and I honestly do not think they have played a minute together in competitive games. It's very weird and if Hughes saw a future in them playing together I think we would have seen it by now because there have been PLENTY of opportunities. Hope I am proved wrong about this. Affelay deserved accomodating last season but false 9 was NEVER the future. It came about because we have lacked a decent/in-form striker for far too long.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 2, 2016 11:26:58 GMT
I disagree. I'm not sure where this Bojan/Diouf thing comes from to be honest. They've never really been fit or on form together so haven't really been available for selection at the same time. When Diouf hit form, Bojan was injured and when Bojan returned from injury, Diouf was going through his own personal crisis. Bojan and Diouf have both played together in the two friendlies in which they have been available. Bojan has created both of Diouf's goals I think and has scored himself. As for the BMX combination, again, I think that is more down to fitness and availability than it is to do with a reluctance to play them together. When they were all fit and available, they all played. We even ditched a traditional centre forward to accommodate them all alongside the in-form Affelay. Berahino arriving may scupper the Bojan/Diouf partnership but I see Berahino very much in the mould of Diouf in that his best asset is his pace and movement. Diouf is perhaps stronger aerially and Berahino would appear to be a more consistent finisher. Bojan and Diouf have been part of the same squad for a 2 seasons and I honestly do not think they have played a minute together in competitive games. It's very weird and if Hughes saw a future in them playing together I think we would have seen it by now because there have been PLENTY of opportunities. Hope I am proved wrong about this. Affelay deserved accomodating last season but false 9 was NEVER the future. It came about because we have lacked a decent/in-form striker for far too long. They played together v Aston Villa and Hull City in our opening league fixtures of the 2014/15 season and throughout that pre-season,just off the top of my head so when they were signed, the intention was obviously to play them together, in the same team. Bojan struggled at the start and lost his place, both played against Southampton in the league cup defeat, then as Bojan found his feet in this country, Diouf went off on ACON duty and by the time he returned, Bojan was injured. They may have been in the same squad for 2 seasons but the actual amount of time they have been available for selection together won't even add up to a quarter of a season. It is coincidence rather than conspiracy in my opinion.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 2, 2016 11:44:38 GMT
Fully with Davejohnno, there is legitimately no reason to suspect that there's an issue between Diouf and Boje. Even if there is though, no issue, because Joselu is better than Diouf anyway. Problem solved!
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Post by thebet365 on Aug 2, 2016 11:53:51 GMT
I disagree. I'm not sure where this Bojan/Diouf thing comes from to be honest. They've never really been fit or on form together so haven't really been available for selection at the same time. When Diouf hit form, Bojan was injured and when Bojan returned from injury, Diouf was going through his own personal crisis. Bojan and Diouf have both played together in the two friendlies in which they have been available. Bojan has created both of Diouf's goals I think and has scored himself. As for the BMX combination, again, I think that is more down to fitness and availability than it is to do with a reluctance to play them together. When they were all fit and available, they all played. We even ditched a traditional centre forward to accommodate them all alongside the in-form Affelay. Berahino arriving may scupper the Bojan/Diouf partnership but I see Berahino very much in the mould of Diouf in that his best asset is his pace and movement. Diouf is perhaps stronger aerially and Berahino would appear to be a more consistent finisher. Bojan and Diouf have been part of the same squad for a 2 seasons and I honestly do not think they have played a minute together in competitive games. It's very weird and if Hughes saw a future in them playing together I think we would have seen it by now because there have been PLENTY of opportunities. Hope I am proved wrong about this. Affelay deserved accomodating last season but false 9 was NEVER the future. It came about because we have lacked a decent/in-form striker for far too long. In the 2014/15 season they started a total of 11 matches together and were also on the pitch together via the subs bench another 2 matches. The ACON then took Diouf out and then Bojan's injury.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 16, 2017 10:34:28 GMT
4-3-3 would basically mean either false 9 or bye bye Bojan. I think that's what will eventually happen. I don't like it.
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