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Post by haway on Jul 12, 2016 21:28:39 GMT
We were far from looking stable, we're looking inconsistent really Disagree. Sam creates stability. He saved you and is building the base of a solid hard to beat side. Since we've been up Sunderland have never really had that. You must have forgotten Steve Bruce before it all turned sour for him. Top 7 going into the new year before Bent left and had a very good strong side going forward before key players jumped ship. Allardyce was good for us of course, but he's not special ahead of the others I mentioned who had a very similar impact. Let's note that Sam's winning percentage was 29% - not the highest of ours since we have been in the prem! Good luck to him of course, but it certainly does not completely fuck us over - less than ideal but it's not slitting wrists time yet
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 12, 2016 21:28:48 GMT
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Post by haway on Jul 12, 2016 21:29:47 GMT
Down without him? I heard the same about Bruce, MON, Poyet & Advocaat! Moyes will be fine. Lucky there's a plausible, decent candidate like him just waiting to be appointed at this stage of pre-season really... Moyes will be my choice - was him and Pearson as well as Allardyce I was happy to replace Advocaat, and Pearson is at Derby. This is Ellis Short though, so welcome back to club management Mr Hodgson
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 12, 2016 21:31:39 GMT
Disagree. Sam creates stability. He saved you and is building the base of a solid hard to beat side. Since we've been up Sunderland have never really had that. You must have forgotten Steve Bruce before it all turned sour for him. Top 7 going into the new year before Bent left and had a very good strong side going forward before key players jumped ship. Allardyce was good for us of course, but he's not special ahead of the others I mentioned who had a very similar impact. Let's note that Sam's winning percentage was 29% - not the highest of ours since we have been in the prem! Good luck to him of course, but it certainly does not completely fuck us over - less than ideal but it's not slitting wrists time yet Steve Bruce was always a shit manager as were the others you've mentioned (that's where you lot go wrong, you believed they were good when they never were! ). Sam is what he is but what he is what you need for the next 2 years.
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Post by LDE76 on Jul 12, 2016 21:33:53 GMT
I don't know what you mean...
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 12, 2016 21:34:09 GMT
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Post by haway on Jul 12, 2016 21:43:03 GMT
You must have forgotten Steve Bruce before it all turned sour for him. Top 7 going into the new year before Bent left and had a very good strong side going forward before key players jumped ship. Allardyce was good for us of course, but he's not special ahead of the others I mentioned who had a very similar impact. Let's note that Sam's winning percentage was 29% - not the highest of ours since we have been in the prem! Good luck to him of course, but it certainly does not completely fuck us over - less than ideal but it's not slitting wrists time yet Steve Bruce was always a shit manager as were the others you've mentioned (that's where you lot go wrong, you believed they were good when they never were! ). Sam is what he is but what he is what you need for the next 2 years. And yet had a similar win % to Bruce and lower than that of Poyet & MON (despite being in the job a lot less) As I said, Sam was a good appointment for us and of course, we'd have liked to have kept him at least till his contract ran out at the end of this coming season, but it isn't disasterous, especially if the likes of Moyes are supposedly readily awaiting in the wings!
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 12, 2016 21:48:04 GMT
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Post by haway on Jul 12, 2016 21:51:09 GMT
Transfer business eh, Sam? You cheeky little bugger
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Post by starkiller on Jul 12, 2016 21:52:22 GMT
Much better than Woy.
Will actually go into a tournament knowing his best system and players.
What a fucking novelty.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 12, 2016 21:57:11 GMT
I'm sure I'll get shot down for this.......but I couldn't give the faintest fucking shite.
My football focus has shifted back to where it should be from the sideshow that is England.
Times like this make me realise that supporting a club is on a totally different level to international football.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 12, 2016 21:57:47 GMT
Steve Bruce was always a shit manager as were the others you've mentioned (that's where you lot go wrong, you believed they were good when they never were! ). Sam is what he is but what he is what you need for the next 2 years. And yet had a similar win % to Bruce and lower than that of Poyet & MON (despite being in the job a lot less) As I said, Sam was a good appointment for us and of course, we'd have liked to have kept him at least till his contract ran out at the end of this coming season, but it isn't disasterous, especially if the likes of Moyes are supposedly readily awaiting in the wings! He hasn't had real time to build his own side though and he's shown unlike them that he can get a tune out of them. Moyes is good but more uphevel, another manager, it's just not the way to do things.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 12, 2016 21:58:40 GMT
Much better than Woy. Will actually go into a tournament knowing his best system and players. What a fucking novelty. You'd hope so but we said that with Capello, one of the greatest managers of all time. Being England manager makes you do some real weird shit.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 12, 2016 22:43:30 GMT
Much better than Woy. Will actually go into a tournament knowing his best system and players. What a fucking novelty. You'd hope so but we said that with Capello, one of the greatest managers of all time. Being England manager makes you do some real weird shit. I'm not one for conspiracies, but I'm convinced that the big marketing money played a big part in that. Given his reputation as a disciplinarian, I thought he would have done a better job of dealing with the John Terry revolt over the right to drink beer. He could have put him on the first plane home.
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Post by rawli on Jul 12, 2016 22:44:45 GMT
Because the correct answer to any FA question is 'Tell me what you want me to do and I'll do it'.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 12, 2016 22:45:13 GMT
Much better than Woy. Will actually go into a tournament knowing his best system and players. What a fucking novelty. You haven't seen his England team play yet. Must say I'm looking forward to this soap opera! Wonder if he'll pick Adam Johnson or put his son in charge of the contracts?
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Post by cooper67 on Jul 12, 2016 23:28:15 GMT
Steve Bruce was always a shit manager as were the others you've mentioned (that's where you lot go wrong, you believed they were good when they never were! ). Sam is what he is but what he is what you need for the next 2 years. And yet had a similar win % to Bruce and lower than that of Poyet & MON (despite being in the job a lot less) As I said, Sam was a good appointment for us and of course, we'd have liked to have kept him at least till his contract ran out at the end of this coming season, but it isn't disasterous, especially if the likes of Moyes are supposedly readily awaiting in the wings! What is his lose % though-which is a better indicator than a win %.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 13, 2016 2:03:00 GMT
I heard today on Sports Talk that Big Sam showed up at the interview in 2006 with a detailed Power Point presentation, but couldn't present it because the FA didn't have a projector! So they had to print it out! Says everything about the FA. Unprepared and behind the times. Great rid of the lot of them.
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Post by samba :) on Jul 13, 2016 7:53:00 GMT
I heard today on Sports Talk that Big Sam showed up at the interview in 2006 with a detailed Power Point presentation, but couldn't present it because the FA didn't have a projector! So they had to print it out! Says everything about the FA. Unprepared and behind the times. Great rid of the lot of them. Why do you care, you are American. Completely agree though
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 8:04:49 GMT
I personally think he'd be a good choice. If only for the fact he wouldn't just pander to the top teams and pick their players.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 13, 2016 8:13:42 GMT
Despite being hopelessly out of his depth Steve got it because of the obsession with getting an English manager and the fa insisting anouncing it before the World Cup.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 13, 2016 10:03:25 GMT
I heard today on Sports Talk that Big Sam showed up at the interview in 2006 with a detailed Power Point presentation, but couldn't present it because the FA didn't have a projector! So they had to print it out! Says everything about the FA. Unprepared and behind the times. Great rid of the lot of them. Why do you care, you are American. Completely agree though Maybe he should have been professional enough to check that they had the facilities to view his powerpoint? That's fairly standard in most professions.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 13, 2016 12:26:59 GMT
Despite being hopelessly out of his depth Steve got it because of the obsession with getting an English manager and the fa insisting anouncing it before the World Cup. McClaren was the obvious choice. He had coached, very successfully, at Man Utd and won a trophy with Boro and got them to a Euro Final. We've never had a more credible choice for years.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 13, 2016 12:35:28 GMT
Despite being hopelessly out of his depth Steve got it because of the obsession with getting an English manager and the fa insisting anouncing it before the World Cup. McClaren was the obvious choice. He had coached, very successfully, at Man Utd and won a trophy with Boro and got them to a Euro Final. We've never had a more credible choice for years. Not sure it was quite that obvious. Allardyce had missed out on the Champions League on goal difference the season before and got Bolton to 8th the following season, in a run of 4 successive top 8 finishes. McClaren got Boro to 14th (albeit in a congested UEFA Cup Final season). It's become clear that he's a bit of a fraud as the top man, hasn't it?(although admittedly that was not apparent at the time) He talks well on the game I think, and is clearly good on the training pitch, but he's not cut out for management.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 13, 2016 12:37:50 GMT
McClaren was the obvious choice. He had coached, very successfully, at Man Utd and won a trophy with Boro and got them to a Euro Final. We've never had a more credible choice for years. Not sure it was quite that obvious. Allardyce had missed out on the Champions League on goal difference the season before and got Bolton to 8th the following season, in a run of 4 successive top 8 finishes. McClaren got Boro to 14th (albeit in a congested UEFA Cup Final season). It's become clear that he's a bit of a fraud as the top man, hasn't it? He talks well on the game I think, and is clearly good on the training pitch, but he's not cut out for management. I think at the time it pretty much was that clear cut Grapey. He was the only manager to win anything that recently, and there was an obsession with appointing an Englishman after Scolari turned it down. You were very much up for 'Arry at the time, I recall.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 13, 2016 12:44:34 GMT
Not sure it was quite that obvious. Allardyce had missed out on the Champions League on goal difference the season before and got Bolton to 8th the following season, in a run of 4 successive top 8 finishes. McClaren got Boro to 14th (albeit in a congested UEFA Cup Final season). It's become clear that he's a bit of a fraud as the top man, hasn't it? He talks well on the game I think, and is clearly good on the training pitch, but he's not cut out for management. I think at the time it pretty much was that clear cut Grapey. He was the only manager to win anything that recently, and there was an obsession with appointing an Englishman after Scolari turned it down. You were very much up for 'Arry at the time, I recall. Haha. Yeah, very much so, Rob. I was gutted when Hodgson got it. A chaotic Redknapp era would've been great fun. Can't really remember the general public mood with McClaren - but he always excited me about as much as a wet Wednesday in Skegness. A Leagu Cup win didn't really prove much either way for me. And the Man Utd assistant carousel has always been interchangeable. I've always been a big fan of Sam!
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 13, 2016 12:52:24 GMT
For the love of god - Allardyce?
Nothing is confirmed yet though
One simple question- what honours has he won to warrant the position?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 13, 2016 12:55:21 GMT
For the love of god - Allardyce? Nothing is confirmed yet though One simple question- what honours has he won to warrant the position? To be fair, it looks like the days of English managers winning actual honours is a thing of the past. 25 years ago, someone like Kendall got overlooked. Now no Englishman gets a sniff of a job at a club where he could win any decent silverware.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 13, 2016 12:56:54 GMT
I think at the time it pretty much was that clear cut Grapey. He was the only manager to win anything that recently, and there was an obsession with appointing an Englishman after Scolari turned it down. You were very much up for 'Arry at the time, I recall. Haha. Yeah, very much so, Rob. I was gutted when Hodgson got it. A chaotic Redknapp era would've been great fun. Can't really remember the general public mood with McClaren - but he always excited me about as much as a wet Wednesday in Skegness. A Leagu Cup win didn't really prove much either way for me. And the Man Utd assistant carousel has always been interchangeable. I've always been a big fan of Sam! Everyone was underwhelmed with McClaren. But though he was a crap appointment he fulfilled criteria because he was English.
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Post by mosquito on Jul 13, 2016 12:57:30 GMT
For the love of god - Allardyce? Nothing is confirmed yet though One simple question- what honours has he won to warrant the position? On the strength of this alone for me
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