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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 28, 2017 9:04:31 GMT
You're completely right - the two year discussions are about the single market (and a thousand other things). That's why, if we leave the single market, it's a government decision and not the 'will of the people'. But, 'roge' there wasn't even one alternative put on the ballot paper! 'riproaringpotter' is correct that the government has abrogated a general 'Leave' vote to mean whatever it suits them! The alternative on the ballot paper was 'Remain'. The two year debate I mentioned was the campaigning before the referendum (I haven't got the heart to tell RRP) so we all knew that a change in FoM would very possibly mean a change in the SM situation. Knowing that we still voted to Leave. The exact details of how immigration will be monitored and what tariffs if any will apply to which goods will be down to the Government of the day who are leading the negotiations. Once Corbyn, Clegg, Sturgeon, Lucas and Farron all pitched their tents in the Remain camp who did you think would be leading negotiations if we voted Leave? Cameron was the only leader to give his MP's a free vote, he promised a referendum, he delivered a referendum, the Conservatives are in power during Brexit.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 28, 2017 10:06:24 GMT
It was after the referendum that the EU started putting down red lines about the single market but before negotiating had begun. Naive bollocks. We are taking responsibility. We're leaving the EU and have an ambitious free trade proposal. Canada have zero tariffs on 90% of their traded goods with the EU but no freedom of movement clause. We're not talking about alchemy. Canada's deal is more like 98% tariff-free on goods and the UK as a much bigger economy should be able to do even better. But 80% of our exports are in services not goods so 'passporting' rights will be a lot trickier for our negotiators. As the EU uses the City of London to raise it's debt \ financing any harm it inflicts on the UK again harms itself just as much.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 28, 2017 10:11:56 GMT
Poor attempt at yet another dodge Rodge...admit it, we were lied to...big time. Speaking of being lied to. How come all these big bollocks leaders in Brussels one minute smile and say they are happy for us to leave, the next they are running around, sweating like a fuck pig, pulling out all the stops to keep us in? Can the eu move forward without Britain?....I think the answer is pretty much No, it can't . At the end of the day...We hold the cards Don't let the europhiles tell you different. Once in a lifetime referendum done and dusted U.K. To leave the eu Blair clegg ashdown hesletine sturgeon are crippling their own country lock the fuckers away for good The EU have pretty much said their solution is more EU, the EU army, the EU super state expansion to admit Turkey etc. This will be kill or cure for Germany sorry the EU
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Post by Skankmonkey on Mar 28, 2017 11:54:30 GMT
108 feckin' pages. We're barely past the muscle mary with the gong and into the kia ora and generic curry house ads yet! Wait till the first feature starts later this week. "The Great Repeal Bill". The hardcore remainer tories - the dog that hasn't barked - have been keeping their powder dry for this. Now get the popcorn in and cheer up beleavers, you won ffs!
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Post by edaboagenawo on Mar 28, 2017 14:34:21 GMT
Canada's deal is more like 98% tariff-free on goods and the UK as a much bigger economy should be able to do even better. But 80% of our exports are in services not goods so 'passporting' rights will be a lot trickier for our negotiators. As the EU uses the City of London to raise it's debt \ financing any harm it inflicts on the UK again harms itself just as much. The EU uses the City of London NOW because we are in the EU. If there are barriers on passporting, some financial services may relocate to the continent. It's well known.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 28, 2017 14:57:22 GMT
As the EU uses the City of London to raise it's debt \ financing any harm it inflicts on the UK again harms itself just as much. The EU uses the City of London NOW because we are in the EU. If there are barriers on passporting, some financial services may relocate to the continent. It's well known. www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexitHere is an article I posted previously, uk banks may move a minimal number of jobs to keep passporting rights but there will be no large scale exodus to Paris or Frankfurt because they don't have the staff to do the work and both are a bit shit. No deal on passporting means the EU will be paying more to raise debt and on hundreds of billions doesn't take much of a percentage point for this to be very expensive.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 28, 2017 15:10:31 GMT
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Mar 28, 2017 15:19:40 GMT
You can see why SF want to force another quick election. If they squeeze the SDLP vote and become the biggest party they can demand a indyrefMark2! SF have got Brokenshire by the 'short and curlies'?!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 28, 2017 15:33:35 GMT
You can see why SF want to force another quick election. If they squeeze the SDLP vote and become the biggest party they can demand a indyrefMark2! SF have got Brokenshire by the 'short and curlies'?! They always wanted this. They refused to replace McGuinness resulting in an election where they did suprisingly well and they're still not offering up a Deputy Minister. I'd like Westminster rule until after Brexit.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 28, 2017 17:07:15 GMT
You can see why SF want to force another quick election. If they squeeze the SDLP vote and become the biggest party they can demand a indyrefMark2! SF have got Brokenshire by the 'short and curlies'?! They always wanted this. They refused to replace McGuinness resulting in an election where they did suprisingly well and they're still not offering up a Deputy Minister. I'd like Westminster rule until after Brexit. Much like the Scottish independence issue - possibly they wanted it all along but in Brexit they've got their legitimate reason for forcing the issue. We'll see where it goes. I'm beginning to think now would be a decent time to draw up (and more importantly, write down) a constitution for the UK, then give all countries a say on whether they want to take on that constitution. The ones who do are part of the United Kingdom, the ones who don't are independent.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 28, 2017 22:45:33 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 29, 2017 14:34:45 GMT
Jeez !! Sky News with a Brexit Deadline countdown clock on the screen !!!!! Only 730 days, 8 hours, 28 minutes and 35 seconds as I type They are desperately hanging their hat on another OJ trial saga. Boulton and Burley front and centre for a couple of years.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 29, 2017 14:39:57 GMT
BBC in Brussels reporting on A50 letter......... "This is still sinking in" to many here?!? What was the surprise?
BBC spinning this off the scale as 'turmoil' 'unknown' 'two years.. can't be done' 'cliff edges' etc, etc.
Shameful.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 29, 2017 15:03:19 GMT
BBC in Brussels reporting on A50 letter......... "This is still sinking in" to many here?!? What was the surprise? BBC spinning this off the scale as 'turmoil' 'unknown' 'two years.. can't be done' 'cliff edges' etc, etc. Shameful. Same way that they were trying their level best to somehow pin blame for the Westminster Bridge Terror attack on the security services last week. BBC are appalling and Laura Kuenssberg makes Guy Fawkes look like Little Bo Peep in comparison. It's virtually impossible to find a media outlet that doesn't have bias and fake news in their reporting these days.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 29, 2017 15:13:18 GMT
Tusk has become quite a prick.
Ridiculed and criticised by his own Poland during his recent re-election as EU President yet supported and voted for by Mrs May.
Here's his tweet about his diary.....
Arrogant? He'll have a pension worth hundreds of thousands because of UK contributions.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 29, 2017 15:41:30 GMT
Jeez !! Sky News with a Brexit Deadline countdown clock on the screen !!!!! Only 730 days, 8 hours, 28 minutes and 35 seconds as I type They are desperately hanging their hat on another OJ trial saga. Boulton and Burley front and centre for a couple of years. They've got Jeff Stelling and Jim White booked to do the final few hours already. Expect Odemwingie to randomly turn up at a Brussels car park seeking a last minute move!
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 29, 2017 16:09:43 GMT
Jeez !! Sky News with a Brexit Deadline countdown clock on the screen !!!!! Only 730 days, 8 hours, 28 minutes and 35 seconds as I type They are desperately hanging their hat on another OJ trial saga. Boulton and Burley front and centre for a couple of years. They've got Jeff Stelling and Jim White booked to do the final few hours already. Expect Odemwingie to randomly turn up at a Brussels car park seeking a last minute move! And a drive by from Harry redknapp
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 29, 2017 17:55:10 GMT
What's funny now is watching the Remoaners who were calling David Davis and all idiots for suggesting they go the capital cities and try and cut deals with them, "Don't they know it doesn't work like this you have to deal with the EU27" are excitedly quoting Angela Merkel saying you have to sort out the exit bill first.
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Post by trainstobrazil on Mar 29, 2017 18:12:20 GMT
What a mess. What is the point of all this?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 20:01:34 GMT
Asking remainers questions about Brexit etc And they say brexit voters are thick
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 29, 2017 20:24:29 GMT
What a mess. What is the point of all this? Self rule
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 29, 2017 20:37:58 GMT
Already deals to be done with passporting , the EU are now concerned about access to the city of London for their financial needs .
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 29, 2017 20:44:48 GMT
As the EU uses the City of London to raise it's debt \ financing any harm it inflicts on the UK again harms itself just as much. The EU uses the City of London NOW because we are in the EU. If there are barriers on passporting, some financial services may relocate to the continent. It's well known. The EU uses London because it is a world finacial centre like New York, Shanghia, and Hong Kong and much bigger than any other European finance centre.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 20:51:42 GMT
Johny rotten is a brexiter who hates bob geldolf
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Post by stokemark on Mar 29, 2017 21:36:59 GMT
Asking remainers questions about Brexit etc And they say brexit voters are thick The jokes on Robinson - shows himself up,for being a thick, racist, bigoted prick. The question re 'do you believe in democracy' is eloquently answered whilst Robinson pathetically tries to imply that the guy is wrong because vote leave 'won' - political freedom is one of the cornerstones of democracy. How you can advocate him and his ilk fuck knows
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 22:36:23 GMT
Asking remainers questions about Brexit etc And they say brexit voters are thick The jokes on Robinson - shows himself up,for being a thick, racist, bigoted prick. The question re 'do you believe in democracy' is eloquently answered whilst Robinson pathetically tries to imply that the guy is wrong because vote leave 'won' - political freedom is one of the cornerstones of democracy. How you can advocate him and his ilk fuck knows I'm not championing Robinson at all, I'm highlighting how fucking thick a lot of those protesters are. amazing what people prefer to read into thing rather than what's actually said
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 31, 2017 20:48:57 GMT
Going well so far, no new trade negotiations alongside the negotiations to leave! Oops.
And Gibraltar's fucked apparently.
Still , never mind, every thing will be fine because we say it will, so no need to worry.
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 31, 2017 21:05:21 GMT
Going well so far, no new trade negotiations alongside the negotiations to leave! Oops. And Gibraltar's fucked apparently. Still , never mind, every thing will be fine because we say it will, so no need to worry. It seems you'd love Brexit to fail.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 31, 2017 22:07:39 GMT
Going well so far, no new trade negotiations alongside the negotiations to leave! Oops. And Gibraltar's fucked apparently. Still , never mind, every thing will be fine because we say it will, so no need to worry. Gibraltar fucked? Not a chance any British PM would sign away their sovereignty unless the people wanted it. Spanish are worried about losing fishing waters as they have the biggest fleet in the EU. Let's see if the EU holds this line, carry on like this may as well just save 30 billion or whatever we'll pay in during negotiations and toddle of now.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 31, 2017 22:41:32 GMT
Giving a veto to the Spanish on the basis of them demanding Gibraltar sovereignty against the wishes of virtually every single citizen there (on past votes), just about sums up what twats we are dealing with who don't recognise democracy. They have a master plan with one European government, dominated by Germany, a European army etc, a European President and so forth. They believe that if there is not a law for something then that is a recipe for anarchy. So they must legislate on absolutely everything. That is because that is their way and they laugh at the UK following European Laws to the letter while they flout them. Having worked for the French for 8 years I learnt they have rigid rules/laws but have a flexible attitude to obeying and enforcing them. Forming a queue is a joke to them. I know this sounds xenophobic, but I have had >30 years working with Europeans; I have met many wonderful people, but I have had to work with an awful lot who are only interested in furthering their own ends and getting what they can from the British and would never purchase a British product unless it was absolutely essential. In fact in French company I worked for it was a rule that you only bought French products if their was a choice, and back-handers were common. I'm sure the same goes on on the UK, but not to the scale on the continent.
Virtually all Gibraltarians voted to remain in the EU, quite understandably. I wonder how many regions in European countries would be given a vote on their future, like the Scots were given on Scottish devolution. The Scots did not give a vote to Scottish people living outside Scotland in their referendum.
The problem with referenda is the losers want another one until they get the result they want and are not prepared to accept the will of the majority. There was a massive scare campaign by remainers in government and the establishment to get people to vote to stay in, but the good British common sense did not buy all the rhetoric. There are still lies, exaggerations, and misinformation, the latest being on banking and financial services.
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