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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 22, 2017 10:29:08 GMT
I don't see why the UK couldn't default to Most Favoured Nation (MFN) status with the EU bloc. Or Normal Trading Relations (NTR) as the Americans call it.
I guess the "everything is going up by 10%" scaremongering headlines are selling more papers.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 22, 2017 11:50:08 GMT
So when are you moving away from this impending UK apocalypse? If it was that easy to sell up, find new jobs, schools and all that shit, I'd happily relocate abroad! Apocalypse was your word not mine, I'm just pointing out that nothing has started yet and inflation is already doubled and the pound is not recovering any of its value. Who knows what will happen over the next five to ten years when we're out of the single market and customs union? Things aren't going to get cheaper for the ordinary bloke that's for sure. Someone will have to pay for rising inflation and all those tariffs and guess who that will be! Here you go mate....... Nicola Sturgeon tells UK residents: Move to Scotland if you don’t like Brexit - Evening Standard
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 15:13:17 GMT
This is what it's all about
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Post by Northy on Mar 22, 2017 17:01:04 GMT
everybody was expecting the eu to come out of recession, but half of it is still flat lining. Complete bullshit! The EU countries which use the Euro grew 1.7% last year. For comparison, the UK was 2%. the first 5 or 6 years after the crash is what we are on about to the debt down, not now france, spain, italy, greece were in recession or zero growth, they arent much better now, Spain is upturning as tourists go there away from Turkey and Tunisia
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Post by Northy on Mar 22, 2017 18:01:28 GMT
the bbc just managed to get brexit and jo cox into the report on the westminster terrorist news
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 18:20:51 GMT
the bbc just managed to get brexit and jo cox into the report on the westminster terrorist news I've been watching Sky and said to my wife..." I wonder who will be first to mention Brexit"
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 22, 2017 19:08:02 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 23, 2017 19:34:34 GMT
Deutsche Bank has just signed a 25 year lease for a new HQ in London.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 24, 2017 10:07:38 GMT
EU 'not in hostile mood' as Brexit talks beckon, says Juncker - BBC He's full of shit. A soundbite, elitist Eurocrat of the highest order. "Mr Juncker recently published a White Paper on the future of the EU. where he explored five different scenarios - from increased union to paring pooled powers back to the common market only.""he breathes life into the old idea of a "two-speed Europe""Despite mutterings about the Commission drawing up a £50bn ($63bn) bill, Mr Juncker said the precise amount remained to be "scientifically calculated."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 11:02:05 GMT
EU 'not in hostile mood' as Brexit talks beckon, says Juncker - BBC He's full of shit. A soundbite, elitist Eurocrat of the highest order. "Mr Juncker recently published a White Paper on the future of the EU. where he explored five different scenarios - from increased union to paring pooled powers back to the common market only.""he breathes life into the old idea of a "two-speed Europe""Despite mutterings about the Commission drawing up a £50bn ($63bn) bill, Mr Juncker said the precise amount remained to be "scientifically calculated." Over a bottle or two of 20 yr old cognac
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 25, 2017 11:33:04 GMT
Complete bullshit! The EU countries which use the Euro grew 1.7% last year. For comparison, the UK was 2%. the first 5 or 6 years after the crash is what we are on about to the debt down, not now france, spain, italy, greece were in recession or zero growth, they arent much better now, Spain is upturning as tourists go there away from Turkey and Tunisia You do talk a load of uninformed half-arsed bollocks, northwich! You said half the EU was still flatlining. It's not, growth of Euro countries was pretty much the same as ours last year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 11:38:50 GMT
the first 5 or 6 years after the crash is what we are on about to the debt down, not now france, spain, italy, greece were in recession or zero growth, they arent much better now, Spain is upturning as tourists go there away from Turkey and Tunisia You do talk a load of uninformed half-arsed bollocks, northwich! You said half the EU was still flatlining. It's not, growth of Euro countries was pretty much the same as ours last year. Why so aggressive baldy?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 25, 2017 11:40:40 GMT
You do appreciate we'll have WTO tariffs with everybody? Those still in the EU will only have them with us (in Europe). And that gives us a competitive advantage how, exactly? I hate pop your balloon but all those German cars you reckon will provide such a great bargaining chip, well I think they'll manage don't you? In fact Germany is the principal trading partner of 18 of the 28 EU countries. We are just one - Ireland. Actually, for 19 of the 28 we're not even in the top three trade partners. Plus we already export more goods and services to non-EU countries than any other EU country does. So expanding into that market looks unlikely wouldn't you say? If anything, that's an open market for them to expand into as it's currently under-utilised. I don't see how this gives us all the cards in negotiations, other than wishing it to be true. The same WTO terms we trade on quite happily with the rest of the world. We import far more than we export from the EU, if the EU choose to add tariffs (which as i've previously mentioned would be the FIRST time in history that two trading blocks choose to implement tariffs where none had previously existed before). This WTO route relies on you believing governments that have to stand for election will allow the unelected EU to impose terms that will harm them, we'll see on that. That's over 14% of German cars are sold in the UK, they'd be selling to other markets already if they could, there's plenty of evidence out there already to say the car makers are worried. Yes, but we currently don't have to use WTO and the EU is our biggest market. So basically, you're arguing that shifting away from tariff free trade to WTO trade for our biggest market is ok? We are just one country of the EU. It doesn't matter that we import more than we export in this context, since the rest of the EU market combined for the other EU countries more than makes up for our share of the trade. I don't see how we, as a small player compared to the EU combined, are in a stronger negotiating position here! And who knows what new rules the EU will come up with to provide benefits to EU countries potentially affected by tariffs? I'm sure carmakers are worried. I'd be more worried if I was employed by one of those carmakers in the UK right now. What is to stop them relocating into Europe to stay in the single market? As the banks have already started doing. I admire your confidence that a small independent country like Britain will hold all the trump cards when negotiating trade with a large bloc.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 25, 2017 11:41:28 GMT
You do talk a load of uninformed half-arsed bollocks, northwich! You said half the EU was still flatlining. It's not, growth of Euro countries was pretty much the same as ours last year. Why so aggressive baldy? I don't suffer fools gladly
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Mar 25, 2017 11:58:44 GMT
I think it was Descartes who said 'There is no such thing as empirical truth'.
People select facts to fit their own arguments.
Nobody really knows what's going to happen once we leave the EU but the pound has fallen and inflation has risen and interest rates will rise (as I predicted on here 8 months ago).
Bad news for people with a mortgage.
On the other hand after the economy settles down in a couple of years time the picture might look more rosey.
Who can tell?
At least we will be making our own rules and will have more infuence on who comes here to live in England & Wales. Given that Scotland & Ireland will be seperate entities.
A price worth paying?
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Post by capto on Mar 25, 2017 15:59:35 GMT
I think it was Descartes who said 'There is no such thing as empirical truth'. People select facts to fit their own arguments. Nobody really knows what's going to happen once we leave the EU but the pound has fallen and inflation has risen and interest rates will rise (as I predicted on here 8 months ago). Bad news for people with a mortgage. On the other hand after the economy settles down in a couple of years time the picture might look more rosey. Who can tell? At least we will be making our own rules and will have more infuence on who comes here to live in England & Wales. Given that Scotland & Ireland will be seperate entities. A price worth paying? Could you expand on making our own rules? Who will be making those rules? The 'people '? Or a small cabal of far right power brokers ( who now control the media and the government)? Will they pass laws that are for the benefit of the 'people'? Or for themselves? For example, no protection of employment; no NHS, having to purchase health insurance; reduction in civil liberties; reduction in quality controls esp. food, and esp. from USA; ; more spending on arms and armed conflict, as thee power brokers will have investments in the arms industry. We have been, and are being, manipulated. 😀
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Mar 25, 2017 20:52:02 GMT
I think it was Descartes who said 'There is no such thing as empirical truth'. People select facts to fit their own arguments. Nobody really knows what's going to happen once we leave the EU but the pound has fallen and inflation has risen and interest rates will rise (as I predicted on here 8 months ago). Bad news for people with a mortgage. On the other hand after the economy settles down in a couple of years time the picture might look more rosey. Who can tell? At least we will be making our own rules and will have more infuence on who comes here to live in England & Wales. Given that Scotland & Ireland will be seperate entities. A price worth paying? Could you expand on making our own rules? Who will be making those rules? The 'people '? Or a small cabal of far right power brokers ( who now control the media and the government)? Will they pass laws that are for the benefit of the 'people'? Or for themselves? For example, no protection of employment; no NHS, having to purchase health insurance; reduction in civil liberties; reduction in quality controls esp. food, and esp. from USA; ; more spending on arms and armed conflict, as thee power brokers will have investments in the arms industry. We have been, and are being, manipulated. 😀 When have Laws ever been there to protect 'the people'? Laws are there to protect property. Our Legal System is based on Property Laws. We've always sold arms to dodgey regimes..that won't change. Reducing civil liberties I'm all for. Food will still be available.
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 25, 2017 21:12:13 GMT
Wizardofdrivel
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 13:07:18 GMT
Just shows the majority of folk in Britain know bullshit when they smell it
We knew this anyway but, it's nice to confirm for a bit of balance ive noticed the media are again, all out, guns blazing with their brainwashing tactics lately add to that..... Blair, clegg, farron, major, hesletine. those names should pretty much tell us which direction we're best to take.......the opposite to them.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 26, 2017 13:52:04 GMT
Just shows the majority of folk in Britain know bullshit when they smell it
We knew this anyway but, it's nice to confirm for a bit of balance ive noticed the media are again, all out, guns blazing with their brainwashing tactics lately add to that..... Blair, clegg, farron, major, hesletine. those names should pretty much tell us which direction we're best to take.......the opposite to them. I think top marks for BBC for finding that many 'experts' that were pro-Brexit. They probably haven't invited more pro-Brexit experts because they couldn't find many more. Although in fairness, they haven't looked on here
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 14:25:20 GMT
Just shows the majority of folk in Britain know bullshit when they smell it
We knew this anyway but, it's nice to confirm for a bit of balance ive noticed the media are again, all out, guns blazing with their brainwashing tactics lately add to that..... Blair, clegg, farron, major, hesletine. those names should pretty much tell us which direction we're best to take.......the opposite to them. I think top marks for BBC for finding that many 'experts' that were pro-Brexit. They probably haven't invited more pro-Brexit experts because they couldn't find many more. Although in fairness, they haven't looked on here
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 26, 2017 14:30:22 GMT
I didn't know you worse glasses, Fraise.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 26, 2017 19:02:33 GMT
I didn't know you worse glasses, Fraise. And appear to have lost several tons stone
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 26, 2017 19:04:52 GMT
Just shows the majority of folk in Britain know bullshit when they smell it
We knew this anyway but, it's nice to confirm for a bit of balance ive noticed the media are again, all out, guns blazing with their brainwashing tactics lately add to that..... Blair, clegg, farron, major, hesletine. those names should pretty much tell us which direction we're best to take.......the opposite to them. I think top marks for BBC for finding that many 'experts' that were pro-Brexit. They probably haven't invited more pro-Brexit experts because they couldn't find many more. Although in fairness, they haven't looked on here Yes, especially since they were part of the business news section. This probably reflects quite accurately the division of opinion towards brexit from business people in the UK, 52% think it's a shit idea, 31% lets wait and see, 17% think it's good.
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Post by Northy on Mar 27, 2017 5:56:51 GMT
bbc breakfast are in stoke this morning reporting from the A50 for article 50
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 27, 2017 6:14:35 GMT
You do talk a load of uninformed half-arsed bollocks, northwich! You said half the EU was still flatlining. It's not, growth of Euro countries was pretty much the same as ours last year. Why so aggressive baldy? It's a tactic remoaners always resort to when they are losing an arguement.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 27, 2017 10:09:34 GMT
bbc breakfast are in stoke this morning reporting from the A50 for article 50 Seemed quite positive I thought. Ceramic Federation saying low/zero tariffs are important. JCB saying nothing to fear. That bloke, Head of the Midlands Business forum said companies were very good at adapting and meeting the challenge and had already started making plans post-Berxit. I know I voted Leave and it's our neck of the woods so I should be biased but I thought it was refreshingly optimistic. *I'm sure Federation and Forum aren't actually where they work I just wasn't paying attention
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Mar 27, 2017 10:13:56 GMT
bbc breakfast are in stoke this morning reporting from the A50 for article 50 Are you sure they aren't on the D-road as in 'D' for Disaster?
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Post by Gods on Mar 27, 2017 10:36:10 GMT
To be fair articulate, genuine, heart on the sleeve rather than self-preservation pro-brexiteers in political life aren't exactly thick on the ground so it's not easy for the BBC.
You have the 'gang of 4' being Mick Gove, Dave Davies, BoJo and Dr Fox and then there's mad Doug Carswell once of UKIP and on the Labour side there is that German lady Gisela Stuart, perhaps Paul Nuttall now he has returned his country tweeds to the fancy dress shop and that's about your lot, so they keep rolling round these usual suspects.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 27, 2017 12:17:32 GMT
So Starmer comes out with his big Brexit deal announcement. All tough and official sounding. Six tests laid down by Labour. If the deal doesn't pass them then it's a NO from Labour in 2 years time. 1) Fair migration system for UK business and communities.A fair immigration policy will be top of the agenda. Not many are calling to close the borders just control. 2) Retaining strong, collaborative relationship with EU.Already promised by all and Sundry. "We're leaving the EU not Europe" etc, etc. 3) Protecting national security and tackling cross-border crime.Already promised by the PM anti-terror, NATO etc, etc. 4) Delivering for all nations and regions of the UK.PM May is on a tour of the devolved Nations discussing a more United UK as I type. 5) Protecting workers' rights and employment protections.The Great Repeal Bill will automatically make existing EU law UK law including any that cover workers rights. 6) Ensuring same benefits currently enjoyed within single market.Doh !! Keir you were doing so well. We've already been told by the EU that they won't allow us to retain exactly the same benefits regarding the single market. Best you write to Juncker and Barnier and tell them that you'll scupper any deal that doesn't include unfettered access to the single market. So it'll be the EU's fault that Labour rejected the deal and everyone can blame the Conservatives And just to remind you Keir here's Theresa May's 12 point plan from a couple of months ago......... 1) Provide certainty about the process of leaving the EU. 2) Control of our own laws. Leaving the European Union will mean that our laws will be made in Westminster, Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast. 3) Strengthen the Union between the four nations of the United Kingdom. 4) Deliver a practical solution that allows the maintenance of the Common Travel Area with the Republic of Ireland. 5) Brexit must mean control of the number of people who come to Britain from Europe.
6) Protect rights for EU nationals in Britain and British nationals in the EU. We want to guarantee rights of EU citizens living in Britain and the rights of British nationals in other member states, as early as we can. 7) Protect workers' rights. Not only will the government protect the rights of workers set out in European legislation, we will build on them. 8) Free trade with European markets through a bold and ambitious free trade agreement with the European Union.9) New trade agreements with other countries. It is time for Britain to get out into the world and rediscover its role as a great, global, trading nation. 10) The best place for science and innovation. We will welcome agreement to continue to collaborate with our European partners on major science, research and technology initiatives. 11) Co-operation in the fight against crime and terrorism. We will continue to work closely with our European allies in foreign and defence policy even as we leave the EU itself.12) A smooth, orderly Brexit. We believe a phased process of implementation will be in the interests of Britain, the EU institutions and member states.
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