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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 21, 2017 12:51:41 GMT
order-order.com/2017/03/21/early-deals-ready-to-go-after-article-50/Interesting "The government is ready to announce a series of early deals with the EU in the first few weeks and months after Article 50 is triggered." "Government figures say they have been holding ‘informal’ talks with EU countries, in particular Germany, over a number of agreements that aim to show goodwill at the beginning of the negotiations and the potential for a mutually beneficial Brexit." Jean Claude who That's great if correct FYD. The thing is though why am I relying on you providing a non mainstream media link that cites anonymous 'government figures' as their sources. Why are MP's complaining about anti-Brexit bias when the likes of Fox, Davis and Johnson could all be addressing the mainstream media, like the BBC to confidently explain to people what is going on and to challenge those who are doubting them?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 21, 2017 14:46:23 GMT
There are 72 MPs complaining about so-called BBC anti-Brexit bias. To describe it as cross-party is strictly speaking correct since there were 3 Labour, 1 UKIP, 8 DUP, 60 Conservative! All but a tiny handful voted Leave!
Basically, they are moaning that the BBC, which MPs recently praised for its impartiality during the lead up to the referendum, has not now turned into a version of George Orwell's 1984 propaganda machinery, flipping instantly over to hating Eastasia instead of Eurasia.
Amongst other things they moan that the BBC presents experts in a 2.5 to 1 ratio pro-Europe. Perhaps this is because most experts are pro-Europe in a 2.5:1 ratio? And to present it as anything else would be biased!
Other than inflation going up and the pound crashing nothing has actually changed because nothing has started yet. We haven't started to leave. Let's see what happens in the next two years when the reality of leaving starts biting. Immigration isn't going to change apparently, we're not going to have more money for public services and we may still be paying to access the single market or similar arrangement. In other words, you won't notice any difference apart from things being a lot more expensive. Sounds great doesn't it!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 21, 2017 14:55:11 GMT
order-order.com/2017/03/21/early-deals-ready-to-go-after-article-50/Interesting "The government is ready to announce a series of early deals with the EU in the first few weeks and months after Article 50 is triggered." "Government figures say they have been holding ‘informal’ talks with EU countries, in particular Germany, over a number of agreements that aim to show goodwill at the beginning of the negotiations and the potential for a mutually beneficial Brexit." Jean Claude who That's great if correct FYD. The thing is though why am I relying on you providing a non mainstream media link that cites anonymous 'government figures' as their sources. Why are MP's complaining about anti-Brexit bias when the likes of Fox, Davis and Johnson could all be addressing the mainstream media, like the BBC to confidently explain to people what is going on and to challenge those who are doubting them? The comments below that link are actually quite terrifying! The degree of insanity. Such as referring to May as Sharia May for no logical reason whatsoever, terrifyingly bonkers most of them. If those people don't get the Utopia they think they're going to, there's going to be a lot of very disappointed and angry people!
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 21, 2017 15:01:41 GMT
order-order.com/2017/03/21/early-deals-ready-to-go-after-article-50/Interesting "The government is ready to announce a series of early deals with the EU in the first few weeks and months after Article 50 is triggered." "Government figures say they have been holding ‘informal’ talks with EU countries, in particular Germany, over a number of agreements that aim to show goodwill at the beginning of the negotiations and the potential for a mutually beneficial Brexit." Jean Claude who That's great if correct FYD. The thing is though why am I relying on you providing a non mainstream media link that cites anonymous 'government figures' as their sources. Why are MP's complaining about anti-Brexit bias when the likes of Fox, Davis and Johnson could all be addressing the mainstream media, like the BBC to confidently explain to people what is going on and to challenge those who are doubting them? You want Fox et all to start talking about deals that are not confirmed, far better to say nothing and deliver them whilst the BBC and all continue with the no plan narrative. As for the anti brexit bias letter, i've not read it but I would assume it is due to the way people are allowed to repeatedly say unchallenged that Brexit is the end of the world and opinions are repeated as facts without an opposing voice being given equal time.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 21, 2017 15:09:53 GMT
I'm sure there's been nothing but discreet chit chat since last June.
I bet both sides can't wait to demonstrate a grown up and business like attitude after the pure guesswork from some quarters.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 21, 2017 15:11:33 GMT
There are 72 MPs complaining about so-called BBC anti-Brexit bias. To describe it as cross-party is strictly speaking correct since there were 3 Labour, 1 UKIP, 8 DUP, 60 Conservative! All but a tiny handful voted Leave! Basically, they are moaning that the BBC, which MPs recently praised for its impartiality during the lead up to the referendum, has not now turned into a version of George Orwell's 1984 propaganda machinery, flipping instantly over to hating Eastasia instead of Eurasia. Amongst other things they moan that the BBC presents experts in a 2.5 to 1 ratio pro-Europe. Perhaps this is because most experts are pro-Europe in a 2.5:1 ratio? And to present it as anything else would be biased! Other than inflation going up and the pound crashing nothing has actually changed because nothing has started yet. We haven't started to leave. Let's see what happens in the next two years when the reality of leaving starts biting. Immigration isn't going to change apparently, we're not going to have more money for public services and we may still be paying to access the single market or similar arrangement. In other words, you won't notice any difference apart from things being a lot more expensive. Sounds great doesn't it! Do you live outside the UK?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 21, 2017 16:19:40 GMT
No
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 21, 2017 16:33:58 GMT
So when are you moving away from this impending UK apocalypse?
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Post by Skankmonkey on Mar 21, 2017 16:49:01 GMT
The jump in inflation(CPI) to 2.3% in February (up from 1.8% in January) is fluffing the value of sterling somewhat - on speculation of an interest rate rise in May. The next couple of days might be a good time to get your holiday money. Anything E1.15ish this week is a very good deal imho.
Myself, I wouldn't be banking on a int. rate rise in May to lift the £. The BoE seems prepared to let inflation go for now :-
"The MPC, under the leadership of the Bank’s governor, Mark Carney, has maintained that it is happy to let inflation rise some way above its target as it trades-off the need to support growth and jobs with keeping price rises in check"
Also a Macron win on 7th May will boost the Euro v Sterling. Alternatively, if you think Le Pen will win, the Euro will tank.
In other news a significant fall in Govt. borrowing.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39336980
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 21, 2017 16:53:16 GMT
So when are you moving away from this impending UK apocalypse? If it was that easy to sell up, find new jobs, schools and all that shit, I'd happily relocate abroad! Apocalypse was your word not mine, I'm just pointing out that nothing has started yet and inflation is already doubled and the pound is not recovering any of its value. Who knows what will happen over the next five to ten years when we're out of the single market and customs union? Things aren't going to get cheaper for the ordinary bloke that's for sure. Someone will have to pay for rising inflation and all those tariffs and guess who that will be!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 21, 2017 16:57:14 GMT
The jump in inflation(CPI) to 2.3% in February (up from 1.8% in January) is fluffing the value of sterling somewhat - on speculation of an interest rate rise in May. The next couple of days might be a good time to get your holiday money. Anything E1.15ish this week is a very good deal imho.
Myself, I wouldn't be banking on a int. rate rise in May to lift the £. The BoE seems prepared to let inflation go for now :-
"The MPC, under the leadership of the Bank’s governor, Mark Carney, has maintained that it is happy to let inflation rise some way above its target as it trades-off the need to support growth and jobs with keeping price rises in check"
Also a Macron win on 7th May will boost the Euro v Sterling. Alternatively, if you think Le Pen will win, the Euro will tank.
In other news a significant fall in Govt. borrowing.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39336980 Great news on the borrowing front. Although worth remembering that we were supposed to be at least two years into fiscal surpluses by now according to the government's promises back in 2010 so borrowing should've stopped completely and we should actually be reducing the debt overall not adding to it!
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Post by Skankmonkey on Mar 21, 2017 17:03:29 GMT
The jump in inflation(CPI) to 2.3% in February (up from 1.8% in January) is fluffing the value of sterling somewhat - on speculation of an interest rate rise in May. The next couple of days might be a good time to get your holiday money. Anything E1.15ish this week is a very good deal imho.
Myself, I wouldn't be banking on a int. rate rise in May to lift the £. The BoE seems prepared to let inflation go for now :-
"The MPC, under the leadership of the Bank’s governor, Mark Carney, has maintained that it is happy to let inflation rise some way above its target as it trades-off the need to support growth and jobs with keeping price rises in check"
Also a Macron win on 7th May will boost the Euro v Sterling. Alternatively, if you think Le Pen will win, the Euro will tank.
In other news a significant fall in Govt. borrowing.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39336980 Great news on the borrowing front. Although worth remembering that we were supposed to be at least two years into fiscal surpluses by now according to the government's promises back in 2010 so borrowing should've stopped completely and we should actually be reducing the debt overall not adding to it! Debt is rapidly becoming yesterdays news. Austerity is old hat. Deficit spending is all the rage now Donald Chump is POTUS.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 21, 2017 17:06:04 GMT
So when are you moving away from this impending UK apocalypse? If it was that easy to sell up, find new jobs, schools and all that shit, I'd happily relocate abroad! Apocalypse was your word not mine, I'm just pointing out that nothing has started yet and inflation is already doubled and the pound is not recovering any of its value. Who knows what will happen over the next five to ten years when we're out of the single market and customs union? Things aren't going to get cheaper for the ordinary bloke that's for sure. Someone will have to pay for rising inflation and all those tariffs and guess who that will be! I can see why you think you were conned if you believe the EU will vote to apply tariffs to make its own goods uncompetitive whilst the UK can once outside the EU protectionist block sign free trade agreements to remove tariffs on non-eu goods. So Irish and french agricultural goods and drinks can be replaced with Australian, New Zealand, Canadian etc etc But don't forget the EU hold all the cards
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Post by davethebass on Mar 21, 2017 17:31:38 GMT
I was watching bbc, and they said, this sorting stuff out malarkey that's supposed take two years ... when Greenland left the EU it took them three years. And their only industry is fishing.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 21, 2017 17:37:39 GMT
If it was that easy to sell up, find new jobs, schools and all that shit, I'd happily relocate abroad! Apocalypse was your word not mine, I'm just pointing out that nothing has started yet and inflation is already doubled and the pound is not recovering any of its value. Who knows what will happen over the next five to ten years when we're out of the single market and customs union? Things aren't going to get cheaper for the ordinary bloke that's for sure. Someone will have to pay for rising inflation and all those tariffs and guess who that will be! I can see why you think you were conned if you believe the EU will vote to apply tariffs to make its own goods uncompetitive whilst the UK can once outside the EU protectionist block sign free trade agreements to remove tariffs on non-eu goods. So Irish and french agricultural goods and drinks can be replaced with Australian, New Zealand, Canadian etc etc But don't forget the EU hold all the cards No, the UK holds all the cards or so I'm led to believe by reading most of the posts on here! Despite the fact that the EU is our largest trading partner by far, those enormous new trade deals with New Zealand, Canada and Australia which will take at least five years to implement (average length of negotiation) will instantly outweigh any EU trade! So by some miracle, non-existent future trade deals are somehow a bargaining chip against existing trade deals with our largest market. Don't get that one myself, so feel free to explain it! Talk to anyone in the motor trade on the continent, and I know people who work in the supply chain over there, and they will tell you BMW etc are already sourcing new markets. Sure, they don't want to lose ours but they'll cope. But the bottom line is surely obvious even to you, FYD. How can anyone leaving the EU be on better terms than being in it? You can argue the morals of this all you like, but if that is 'allowed' to be the case, everyone will leave, bye bye EU. I'm sure some see that as desirable and perhaps even likely, but if you are in the EU that is the bottom line is it not? And then it's about presenting a case to the people of Europe that leaving is shit, and for the UK to try to do the same but that leaving was great.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 21, 2017 17:38:26 GMT
I was watching bbc, and they said, this sorting stuff out malarkey that's supposed take two years ... when Greenland left the EU it took them three years. And their only industry is fishing. It's the BBC, mate, it's not true you know Only stuff on breitbart and the comments under Guido Fawkes blogs are really true!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 21, 2017 17:44:18 GMT
Great news on the borrowing front. Although worth remembering that we were supposed to be at least two years into fiscal surpluses by now according to the government's promises back in 2010 so borrowing should've stopped completely and we should actually be reducing the debt overall not adding to it! Debt is rapidly becoming yesterdays news. Austerity is old hat. Deficit spending is all the rage now Donald Chump is POTUS. Spare me the irony! Imagine the reaction from the alt-right nutjobs on here if spending your way to an improved economy was coming from someone other than Donald Trump lol. Most of the Trump supporters on here now were screaming blue murder at just such suggestions on here back in Cameron's government, when they were fully behind austerity! They twist and turn like a windmill in a stiff breeze. You couldn't make this shit up, you really couldn't.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 17:45:19 GMT
Agreed. The eu have been, and are heading in a very dark place ....We will be stronger for what we've done in the end. People looking for every little "told you so" moment is just silly. Positivity and calmness is what is needed from everyone. At least, the remainers are still there and haven't f***ed off! People looking for "told you so" moment are just people who were right! What about the punishment budget? what about the economic apocalypse. That was all going to happen straight after the vote. Guess what it didn't happen and we happen to be doing OK. There's too many Benjamin Biscuits on here, keep saying the same shit until eventually they will be proved right. We'll I tell you something it ain't going to happen.
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Post by Northy on Mar 21, 2017 18:21:35 GMT
The jump in inflation(CPI) to 2.3% in February (up from 1.8% in January) is fluffing the value of sterling somewhat - on speculation of an interest rate rise in May. The next couple of days might be a good time to get your holiday money. Anything E1.15ish this week is a very good deal imho.
Myself, I wouldn't be banking on a int. rate rise in May to lift the £. The BoE seems prepared to let inflation go for now :-
"The MPC, under the leadership of the Bank’s governor, Mark Carney, has maintained that it is happy to let inflation rise some way above its target as it trades-off the need to support growth and jobs with keeping price rises in check"
Also a Macron win on 7th May will boost the Euro v Sterling. Alternatively, if you think Le Pen will win, the Euro will tank.
In other news a significant fall in Govt. borrowing.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39336980 Great news on the borrowing front. Although worth remembering that we were supposed to be at least two years into fiscal surpluses by now according to the government's promises back in 2010 so borrowing should've stopped completely and we should actually be reducing the debt overall not adding to it! everybody was expecting the eu to come out of recession, but half of it is still flat lining.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 21, 2017 18:37:33 GMT
So when are you moving away from this impending UK apocalypse? If it was that easy to sell up, find new jobs, schools and all that shit, I'd happily relocate abroad! Apocalypse was your word not mine, I'm just pointing out that nothing has started yet and inflation is already doubled and the pound is not recovering any of its value. Who knows what will happen over the next five to ten years when we're out of the single market and customs union? Things aren't going to get cheaper for the ordinary bloke that's for sure. Someone will have to pay for rising inflation and all those tariffs and guess who that will be! You can go over now, register for schools, register for work and sign on and you've got a couple of years to sell your house. Enjoy. I'm sure you'll be happy to start a thread in a few years time to tell us how great it is living in the EU.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 21, 2017 19:19:56 GMT
I can see why you think you were conned if you believe the EU will vote to apply tariffs to make its own goods uncompetitive whilst the UK can once outside the EU protectionist block sign free trade agreements to remove tariffs on non-eu goods. So Irish and french agricultural goods and drinks can be replaced with Australian, New Zealand, Canadian etc etc But don't forget the EU hold all the cards No, the UK holds all the cards or so I'm led to believe by reading most of the posts on here! Despite the fact that the EU is our largest trading partner by far, those enormous new trade deals with New Zealand, Canada and Australia which will take at least five years to implement (average length of negotiation) will instantly outweigh any EU trade! So by some miracle, non-existent future trade deals are somehow a bargaining chip against existing trade deals with our largest market. Don't get that one myself, so feel free to explain it! Talk to anyone in the motor trade on the continent, and I know people who work in the supply chain over there, and they will tell you BMW etc are already sourcing new markets. Sure, they don't want to lose ours but they'll cope. But the bottom line is surely obvious even to you, FYD. How can anyone leaving the EU be on better terms than being in it? You can argue the morals of this all you like, but if that is 'allowed' to be the case, everyone will leave, bye bye EU. I'm sure some see that as desirable and perhaps even likely, but if you are in the EU that is the bottom line is it not? And then it's about presenting a case to the people of Europe that leaving is shit, and for the UK to try to do the same but that leaving was great. Given your buyers remorse on voting leave you'd have been well advised to do this talking to people you know before you voted. I'll make it simple you don't need new trade deals of the bat, the whole point of the CAP for example is to protect French farming by keeping out non-EU products or making them un-competitive due to the tariffs levied, these tariffs encourage inefficiency.Worst case for the UK is WTO and suddenly French and Irish products have the same tariffs on them as non-EU and suddenly Australian. New Zealand etc products are not the most expensive. As for the German car industry 1 in 7 cars made in Germany are sold in the UK, good luck replacing that market quickly. The better terms argument is a bit spurious when they are only a handful of net contributors and any worse terms they give to the UK they also give to themselves in spades.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 21, 2017 19:20:43 GMT
If it was that easy to sell up, find new jobs, schools and all that shit, I'd happily relocate abroad! Apocalypse was your word not mine, I'm just pointing out that nothing has started yet and inflation is already doubled and the pound is not recovering any of its value. Who knows what will happen over the next five to ten years when we're out of the single market and customs union? Things aren't going to get cheaper for the ordinary bloke that's for sure. Someone will have to pay for rising inflation and all those tariffs and guess who that will be! You can go over now, register for schools, register for work and sign on and you've got a couple of years to sell your house. Enjoy. I'm sure you'll be happy to start a thread in a few years time to tell us how great it is living in the EU. Maybe he should do a bit of research beforehand this time though
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Post by salopstick on Mar 21, 2017 20:50:53 GMT
I was watching bbc, and they said, this sorting stuff out malarkey that's supposed take two years ... when Greenland left the EU it took them three years. And their only industry is fishing. It's the BBC, mate, it's not true you know Only stuff on breitbart and the comments under Guido Fawkes blogs are really true! And the canary
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 21, 2017 21:17:32 GMT
Great news on the borrowing front. Although worth remembering that we were supposed to be at least two years into fiscal surpluses by now according to the government's promises back in 2010 so borrowing should've stopped completely and we should actually be reducing the debt overall not adding to it! everybody was expecting the eu to come out of recession, but half of it is still flat lining. Complete bullshit! The EU countries which use the Euro grew 1.7% last year. For comparison, the UK was 2%.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 21, 2017 21:20:10 GMT
No, the UK holds all the cards or so I'm led to believe by reading most of the posts on here! Despite the fact that the EU is our largest trading partner by far, those enormous new trade deals with New Zealand, Canada and Australia which will take at least five years to implement (average length of negotiation) will instantly outweigh any EU trade! So by some miracle, non-existent future trade deals are somehow a bargaining chip against existing trade deals with our largest market. Don't get that one myself, so feel free to explain it! Talk to anyone in the motor trade on the continent, and I know people who work in the supply chain over there, and they will tell you BMW etc are already sourcing new markets. Sure, they don't want to lose ours but they'll cope. But the bottom line is surely obvious even to you, FYD. How can anyone leaving the EU be on better terms than being in it? You can argue the morals of this all you like, but if that is 'allowed' to be the case, everyone will leave, bye bye EU. I'm sure some see that as desirable and perhaps even likely, but if you are in the EU that is the bottom line is it not? And then it's about presenting a case to the people of Europe that leaving is shit, and for the UK to try to do the same but that leaving was great. Given your buyers remorse on voting leave you'd have been well advised to do this talking to people you know before you voted. I'll make it simple you don't need new trade deals of the bat, the whole point of the CAP for example is to protect French farming by keeping out non-EU products or making them un-competitive due to the tariffs levied, these tariffs encourage inefficiency.Worst case for the UK is WTO and suddenly French and Irish products have the same tariffs on them as non-EU and suddenly Australian. New Zealand etc products are not the most expensive. As for the German car industry 1 in 7 cars made in Germany are sold in the UK, good luck replacing that market quickly. The better terms argument is a bit spurious when they are only a handful of net contributors and any worse terms they give to the UK they also give to themselves in spades. You do appreciate we'll have WTO tariffs with everybody? Those still in the EU will only have them with us (in Europe). And that gives us a competitive advantage how, exactly? I hate pop your balloon but all those German cars you reckon will provide such a great bargaining chip, well I think they'll manage don't you? In fact Germany is the principal trading partner of 18 of the 28 EU countries. We are just one - Ireland. Actually, for 19 of the 28 we're not even in the top three trade partners. Plus we already export more goods and services to non-EU countries than any other EU country does. So expanding into that market looks unlikely wouldn't you say? If anything, that's an open market for them to expand into as it's currently under-utilised. I don't see how this gives us all the cards in negotiations, other than wishing it to be true.
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 21, 2017 22:52:45 GMT
That's great if correct FYD. The thing is though why am I relying on you providing a non mainstream media link that cites anonymous 'government figures' as their sources. Why are MP's complaining about anti-Brexit bias when the likes of Fox, Davis and Johnson could all be addressing the mainstream media, like the BBC to confidently explain to people what is going on and to challenge those who are doubting them? The comments below that link are actually quite terrifying! The degree of insanity. Such as referring to May as Sharia May for no logical reason whatsoever, terrifyingly bonkers most of them. If those people don't get the Utopia they think they're going to, there's going to be a lot of very disappointed and angry people! In your previous post to the one above (redwhitenblue) you said "nothing has started yet. We haven't started to leave. Let's see what happens in the next two years" I wish you'd follow your own advice
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 21, 2017 23:03:32 GMT
The comments below that link are actually quite terrifying! The degree of insanity. Such as referring to May as Sharia May for no logical reason whatsoever, terrifyingly bonkers most of them. If those people don't get the Utopia they think they're going to, there's going to be a lot of very disappointed and angry people! In your previous post to the one above (redwhitenblue) you said "nothing has started yet. We haven't started to leave. Let's see what happens in the next two years" I wish you'd follow your own advice He voted to leave apparently he has no faith in his own judgment why would anyone take him seriously the spineless bottler, you makes your bed you lie in it.
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Post by Northy on Mar 22, 2017 5:21:03 GMT
In your previous post to the one above (redwhitenblue) you said "nothing has started yet. We haven't started to leave. Let's see what happens in the next two years" I wish you'd follow your own advice He voted to leave apparently he has no faith in his own judgment why would anyone take him seriously the spineless bottler, you makes your bed you lie in it. what if the maid makes it?
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 22, 2017 9:20:31 GMT
Given your buyers remorse on voting leave you'd have been well advised to do this talking to people you know before you voted. I'll make it simple you don't need new trade deals of the bat, the whole point of the CAP for example is to protect French farming by keeping out non-EU products or making them un-competitive due to the tariffs levied, these tariffs encourage inefficiency.Worst case for the UK is WTO and suddenly French and Irish products have the same tariffs on them as non-EU and suddenly Australian. New Zealand etc products are not the most expensive. As for the German car industry 1 in 7 cars made in Germany are sold in the UK, good luck replacing that market quickly. The better terms argument is a bit spurious when they are only a handful of net contributors and any worse terms they give to the UK they also give to themselves in spades. You do appreciate we'll have WTO tariffs with everybody? Those still in the EU will only have them with us (in Europe). And that gives us a competitive advantage how, exactly? I hate pop your balloon but all those German cars you reckon will provide such a great bargaining chip, well I think they'll manage don't you? In fact Germany is the principal trading partner of 18 of the 28 EU countries. We are just one - Ireland. Actually, for 19 of the 28 we're not even in the top three trade partners. Plus we already export more goods and services to non-EU countries than any other EU country does. So expanding into that market looks unlikely wouldn't you say? If anything, that's an open market for them to expand into as it's currently under-utilised. I don't see how this gives us all the cards in negotiations, other than wishing it to be true. The same WTO terms we trade on quite happily with the rest of the world. We import far more than we export from the EU, if the EU choose to add tariffs (which as i've previously mentioned would be the FIRST time in history that two trading blocks choose to implement tariffs where none had previously existed before). This WTO route relies on you believing governments that have to stand for election will allow the unelected EU to impose terms that will harm them, we'll see on that. That's over 14% of German cars are sold in the UK, they'd be selling to other markets already if they could, there's plenty of evidence out there already to say the car makers are worried.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 22, 2017 10:14:02 GMT
everybody was expecting the eu to come out of recession, but half of it is still flat lining. Complete bullshit! The EU countries which use the Euro grew 1.7% last year. For comparison, the UK was 2%. And in 2015 the EU countries which use the Euro grew 2% and 2014 1.2% and 2013 -0.3%. In fact from 2004 to 2015 the average GDP of the Eurozone has been 0.8%. Over the same period the UK's was 1.4%.
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