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Post by agingerstokie on Jun 12, 2016 11:09:08 GMT
As a 22 year old, I haven't been around for the Naughty 40 and such but genuinely interested in whether the fights kicking off in France is the worst it's been or has there been occasions in the past that surpass it? With the Russian's kicking off as well as Marseille & Nice 'ultras' it seems a bit of a free for all.
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Post by mattador78 on Jun 12, 2016 11:17:48 GMT
As a 22 year old, I haven't been around for the Naughty 40 and such but genuinely interested in whether the fights kicking off in France is the worst it's been or has there been occasions in the past that surpass it? With the Russian's kicking off as well as Marseille & Nice 'ultras' it seems a bit of a free for all. Too be honest it seems quite tame compared to some tournaments |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 11:21:26 GMT
99% of the trouble I've seen on my travels with England has always been throwing plastic tables and beer bottles, and making cut throat signs from the opposite side of a European square.
But the Russian situation brings a far more sinister element to it, they looked like hardcore thugs intent on causing some real damage to people. A lot of the pasty, shirtless, tatooed mob sitting outside David O'Leary's or whatever bland Irish bar it might be will invariably be all mouth and no trousers, the police will disperse them and they'll go away and tell anyone who'll listen how "game" they were,
It's the groups of seasoned travellers, 5/6 blokes who go off the beaten track and look to blend in with the locals and immerse themselves in the local city that I fear for, they're the ones who will get hurt if they just happen to take a wrong turning and come across these Eastern European mentalists. It's generally not the mouthy bastards playing up for the camera that get hurt when things get really nasty, I speak of someone who watched England in Russia and can honestly say I was as nervous as any game I've ever been that day, made the Zulu Warriors look like Primary school teachers.....
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Post by Olgrligm on Jun 12, 2016 11:23:41 GMT
99% of the trouble I've seen on my travels with England has always been throwing plastic tables and beer bottles, and making cut throat signs from the opposite side of a European square. But the Russian situation brings a far more sinister element to it, they looked like hardcore thugs intent on causing some real damage to people. A lot of the pasty, shirtless, tatooed mob sitting outside David O'Leary's or whatever bland Irish bar it might be will invariably all mouth and no trousers, the police will disperse them and they'll go away and tell anyone who'll listen how "game" they were, It's the groups of seasoned travellers, 5/6 blokes who go off the beaten track and look to blend in with the locals and immerse themselves in the local city that I fear for, they're the ones who will get hurt if they just happen to take a wrong turning and come across these Eastern European mentalists. It's generally not the mouthy bastards playing up for the camera that get hurt when things get really nasty, I speak of someone who watched England in Russia and can honestly say I was as nervous as any game I've ever been that day, made the Zulu Warriors look like Primary school teachers..... The next World Cup is in Russia! |
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Post by Gods on Jun 12, 2016 11:30:50 GMT
I think it is probably just different, the changing face of hooliganism.
It has only been in more recent tournaments that post-Perestroika, unreconstructed, meatheads, pumped up in the gym to within an inch of their lives from the former iron curtain countries of the old Eastern-European Bloc have really travelled at all never mind in these kind of numbers.
Meantime England make a good target since we still have a "rep" but in practice we are pretty much out of this game in any serious way.
It all made for an almost comically one-sided contest for the physical battle at least if not the intellectual one.
The solution to humanize these folks is education, integration and travel but it is going to take decades I fancy.
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Post by gogogadget on Jun 12, 2016 11:31:33 GMT
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jun 12, 2016 11:32:07 GMT
Some countries seem to have very organised groups these days Russia being one , two hundred like that can cause a lot of trouble . I'm not sure England fans are organised these days more blokes on the piss , so yes they will have a go but the russian model is on a different level it seems
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Post by mailman44 on Jun 12, 2016 11:33:02 GMT
99% of the trouble I've seen on my travels with England has always been throwing plastic tables and beer bottles, and making cut throat signs from the opposite side of a European square. But the Russian situation brings a far more sinister element to it, they looked like hardcore thugs intent on causing some real damage to people. A lot of the pasty, shirtless, tatooed mob sitting outside David O'Leary's or whatever bland Irish bar it might be will invariably all mouth and no trousers, the police will disperse them and they'll go away and tell anyone who'll listen how "game" they were, It's the groups of seasoned travellers, 5/6 blokes who go off the beaten track and look to blend in with the locals and immerse themselves in the local city that I fear for, they're the ones who will get hurt if they just happen to take a wrong turning and come across these Eastern European mentalists. It's generally not the mouthy bastards playing up for the camera that get hurt when things get really nasty, I speak of someone who watched England in Russia and can honestly say I was as nervous as any game I've ever been that day, made the Zulu Warriors look like Primary school teachers..... The next World Cup is in Russia! There will be a war with Russia before the next World Cup. |
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 12, 2016 11:34:52 GMT
99% of the trouble I've seen on my travels with England has always been throwing plastic tables and beer bottles, and making cut throat signs from the opposite side of a European square. But the Russian situation brings a far more sinister element to it, they looked like hardcore thugs intent on causing some real damage to people. A lot of the pasty, shirtless, tatooed mob sitting outside David O'Leary's or whatever bland Irish bar it might be will invariably be all mouth and no trousers, the police will disperse them and they'll go away and tell anyone who'll listen how "game" they were, It's the groups of seasoned travellers, 5/6 blokes who go off the beaten track and look to blend in with the locals and immerse themselves in the local city that I fear for, they're the ones who will get hurt if they just happen to take a wrong turning and come across these Eastern European mentalists. It's generally not the mouthy bastards playing up for the camera that get hurt when things get really nasty, I speak of someone who watched England in Russia and can honestly say I was as nervous as any game I've ever been that day, made the Zulu Warriors look like Primary school teachers..... A few year back, Russian mobsters had a bead with a rival in Marbella. They knew their rival was in a port side restaurant so they drove by & shot the whole place up. Soulless killers |
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Post by onesteino on Jun 12, 2016 11:35:41 GMT
I've not known anything as bad (I'm 30 now). But, I think that having social media and having second by second commentary makes us viewers at home get a new perception of the hooliganism. We never had such things during the other big tournaments of my lifetime until about 2004-even then it wasn't quite as accessible as we've got now, so the second by second commentary we have nowadays emphasises the trouble (might even exaggerate? I saw loads of singing online yesterday that didn't seem like trouble but was labelled as "hooliganism" regardless).
Always remember England v Tunisia being a problem and pretty sure that there were issues with England and Germany at one tournament. Both of these were outside the ground though-not sure I've known anything inside. There was a lot of trouble at England v Wales in Manchester for a qualifier one game before Wembley was finished. Not sure if any of these led to batterings of non-hooligan fans though.
I was in Poland during Euro 2008, the Poles and Germans played each other and they were all congregated in bars in Krakow but that all passed by with no mither from what I saw. I think the Poles and the Russians had trouble around about that time though (without trying to tar all Russians with the hooliganism brush mind, but I think that any nation who draws Russia will always face some kind of targeting from a minority of their fans!)
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Post by andrewguk on Jun 12, 2016 11:46:26 GMT
Whenever I hear of/see hooligans on the TV, I think of this lot.....
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Post by onesteino on Jun 12, 2016 11:59:37 GMT
Whenever I hear of/see hooligans on the TV, I think of this lot.....  This is class haha! What a bunch of weapons. |
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Post by unknown182 on Jun 12, 2016 12:02:28 GMT
Can someone tell the ultras where the England band are staying
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 12, 2016 12:46:49 GMT
Whenever I hear of/see hooligans on the TV, I think of this lot..... Jonney the Brains! |
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Post by jeycov on Jun 12, 2016 12:54:27 GMT
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Post by daviddunn on Jun 12, 2016 14:42:52 GMT
Remember when English fans were taunter by Turkey fans in Amsterdam if we had chased them off wede have been ambushed they had laid out the traps but the media praised us for not rising to the challenge they were all stoned and couldn't be arsed
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 14:59:07 GMT
Yuri: "We are hard men, many from the army and police. Not soft English men in their Lacoste clothes and girls’ shoes." |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 18:57:36 GMT
Whenever I hear of/see hooligans on the TV, I think of this lot..... This must be a parody? Surely? What a fuckin belter. |
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Post by Boothen on Jun 12, 2016 19:01:33 GMT
It's mainly Russian sate-sponsored violence. The corrupt shithole of a country is just using their well documented hooligans as a proxy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 19:04:02 GMT
I can't remember anything worse in my life time (I'm 26). Hopefully it's not going to rear its ugly head again in the UK.
Quite worrying considering Russia are the hosts of the next World Cup, some of the scenes have looked really grim. Usually with these kind of things they only attack 'their own' I.E other groups of lads that are up for that kind of nonsense, the Russians don't seem to care who is on the other end of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 19:15:03 GMT
I'm 37 followed stoke over the country and been England games. I've never seen violent scenes like this. I was in Manchester a few years back when we played Wales and that was berserk. But notbas bad as france looks. I know some pretty puddled lads and been there when theyve gone up, but one thing they don't do is hit women/families etc or stamp on heads when a man's down. These Russians want kill you. Nothing compares to these wankers
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 19:21:58 GMT
It's been pretty bad, but how much worse it could have been, if England had had any presence over there, god only knows. Perhaps that's a small mercy.
Any remaining double-hard "Ing-er-land"-ers will hopefully realise that they're out of their depth and take up Pilates or summat.
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Post by ryan4england on Jun 12, 2016 19:22:32 GMT
Take them Russians back to France 98 and they would be a column inch in the paper, they wouldn't of lasted the night
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Post by Waggy on Jun 12, 2016 19:24:41 GMT
It's mainly Russian sate-sponsored violence. The corrupt shithole of a country is just using their well documented hooligans as a proxy. as mr putin said anything? |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jun 12, 2016 20:09:34 GMT
Whenever I hear of/see hooligans on the TV, I think of this lot..... I cringed so hard it hurt. |
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Jun 12, 2016 20:09:47 GMT
Some horrible videos knocking around of isolated England fans taking severe kickings. Don't know how to do links but hooligantv account on Twitter has a video of guy taking a proper shooing by about 10 Russians. Guy in the green shorts coming up in various pics booting people on the floor.
Never been involved in it myself but the level and organisation these Russian scum are going for it looks as bad as I've seen/heard of.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 20:17:36 GMT
Some horrible videos knocking around of isolated England fans taking severe kickings. Don't know how to do links but hooligantv account on Twitter has a video of guy taking a proper shooing by about 10 Russians. Guy in the green shorts coming up in various pics booting people on the floor. Never been involved in it myself but the level and organisation these Russian scum are going for it looks as bad as I've seen/heard of. Seen it mate. It's sickening. The bloke took a right hiding then they continued to volley his head. How he ain't dead I'll never know |
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Post by Dutchpeter on Jun 12, 2016 20:20:12 GMT
Belgium Euros 1980?
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Post by broadwayroundabout on Jun 12, 2016 20:26:41 GMT
I'm 37 followed stoke over the country and been England games. I've never seen violent scenes like this. I was in Manchester a few years back when we played Wales and that was berserk. But notbas bad as france looks. I know some pretty puddled lads and been there when theyve gone up, but one thing they don't do is hit women/families etc or stamp on heads when a man's down. These Russians want kill you. Nothing compares to these wankers It's fucking mental, you wouldn't want to be here with your family, that's for sure and I've been thro the 70s n 80s |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 20:28:05 GMT
I'm 37 followed stoke over the country and been England games. I've never seen violent scenes like this. I was in Manchester a few years back when we played Wales and that was berserk. But notbas bad as france looks. I know some pretty puddled lads and been there when theyve gone up, but one thing they don't do is hit women/families etc or stamp on heads when a man's down. These Russians want kill you. Nothing compares to these wankers It's fucking mental, you wouldn't want to be here with your family, that's for sure and I've been thro the 70s n 80s Stay safe bud |
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