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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 18:23:16 GMT
This summer is going to take the piss. Jim White will be high as a kite on September 1st, when he's reeling off telephone numbers for the totaliser. As much as I love my club being at the top table, there is so much wrong about what clubs are chucking at players. It's ruining the game. It's coming back round, now the mid-table clubs are loaded it's closing the gap more then we have ever seen in the last decade really. Money has probably already made the game suffer I won't doubt that but somehow MORE money is actually beginning to take it back round... imo. I'll say this, we were promoted at the right time. The stakes are high right now.
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Post by ryan4england on Jun 9, 2016 18:27:12 GMT
Ridiculous. Once upon a time £15M bought you Alan Shearer 22 years ago yeah It was also £2:50 admission money and bus travel was around 20p You see where this is going £20m for Troy Deeney is ridiculous whichever way you look at it, he's no better than Walters if even on par with him
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Post by werrington on Jun 9, 2016 18:36:01 GMT
22 years ago yeah It was also £2:50 admission money and bus travel was around 20p You see where this is going £20m for Troy Deeney is ridiculous whichever way you look at it, he's no better than Walters if even on par with him I never said he was and I never said it wasn't
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Post by ryan4england on Jun 9, 2016 18:46:43 GMT
£20m for Troy Deeney is ridiculous whichever way you look at it, he's no better than Walters if even on par with him I never said he was and I never said it wasn't Just like I never said it wasn't a while ago then, so what was your point?
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Post by werrington on Jun 9, 2016 18:50:03 GMT
I never said he was and I never said it wasn't Just like I never said it wasn't a while ago then, so what was your point? That £15m then isn't £15m now Shearer would be £80m today so the comparisons can not be compared
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Post by mrmeeseeks on Jun 9, 2016 18:53:04 GMT
yeah absolutely, but... they could also get two absolutely rubbish players - or even just players who don't bed in until late in the season! much more costly for a club who have been up a season and have a decent chance of being relegated (i'm not trying to justify turning down 20m it's just the only reason i can think of) But would the 2 contribute what deeney did between them? Its a risk i think i would take... potentially more. i'd take the risk too
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Post by Roger Everyone on Jun 9, 2016 19:01:34 GMT
Watford should sell at that price, crazy money for a very average player. I wouldn't want him to be honest.
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Post by mrcholmondleywarner on Jun 9, 2016 19:02:19 GMT
Bloody Hell. That's unbelievable.
Arnie must be worth at least £60m then?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 19:04:38 GMT
This summer is going to take the piss. Jim White will be high as a kite on September 1st, when he's reeling off telephone numbers for the totaliser. As much as I love my club being at the top table, there is so much wrong about what clubs are chucking at players. It's ruining the game. It's coming back round, now the mid-table clubs are loaded it's closing the gap more then we have ever seen in the last decade really. Money has probably already made the game suffer I won't doubt that but somehow MORE money is actually beginning to take it back round... imo. I'll say this, we were promoted at the right time. The stakes are high right now. What about Championship, League 1 and League 2 clubs? The Premier League getting closer must mean the gap between us and them is getting almost too big?
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Post by spiderpuss on Jun 9, 2016 19:26:46 GMT
Expect much more of this, this summer. A lot of the bigger clubs seem to not have got a settled strike force. With new managers demanding bags of spends and bags of spends available, soon this sort of deal will seem cheap.
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Post by sportsman on Jun 9, 2016 19:46:01 GMT
Please watford, sell him to Leicester. Comedy gold.
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Post by Stoke711 on Jun 9, 2016 20:01:06 GMT
Hard to tell whos more mental. Leicester for offering or watford for rejecting! Mad fuckers to a man! Watford for rejecting. The I'd have driven him there myself is probably on the lips of most Watford fans despite being a great player for their club.
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Post by ryan4england on Jun 9, 2016 20:03:13 GMT
Bloody Hell. That's unbelievable. Arnie must be worth at least £60m then? That's a good point actually, someone is almost certainly going to match his release clause, if Deeney is getting £20m bids Arnautovic at £12.5m is a giveaway with ribbons on
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 20:21:43 GMT
It's coming back round, now the mid-table clubs are loaded it's closing the gap more then we have ever seen in the last decade really. Money has probably already made the game suffer I won't doubt that but somehow MORE money is actually beginning to take it back round... imo. I'll say this, we were promoted at the right time. The stakes are high right now. What about Championship, League 1 and League 2 clubs? The Premier League getting closer must mean the gap between us and them is getting almost too big? No almost about it, those 3 leagues are very close but there's a chasm between the Championship and the Premier League. If we were down there now I daresay we'd be practically trapped. It's why I highlighted how important it was we went up when we did, the league we are in is getting better and better though as a result imo... I can only see that changing if the championship gets more investment, my main worry is that there will be a phase where every single championship team to get promoted goes straight back down and the Prem gets even more isolated then it already is. Your original point was about the prem, and as a league it's improved immensely and is fantastic. The country's footballing system as a whole looks like it might be a bit of a mess however.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 9, 2016 20:23:42 GMT
Ridiculous. Once upon a time £15M bought you Alan Shearer 22 years ago yeah It was also £2:50 admission money and bus travel was around 20p You see where this is going Yes my first games on the old Boothen End at the Vic cost me less than 20p. But that was fine for the club as they bought John Ritchie for £2,500!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 20:33:30 GMT
What about Championship, League 1 and League 2 clubs? The Premier League getting closer must mean the gap between us and them is getting almost too big? No almost about it, those 3 leagues are very close but there's a chasm between the Championship and the Premier League. If we were down there now I daresay we'd be practically trapped. It's why I highlighted how important it was we went up when we did, the league we are in is getting better and better though as a result imo... I can only see that changing if the championship gets more investment, my main worry is that there will be a phase where every single championship team to get promoted goes straight back down and the Prem gets even more isolated then it already is. Your original point was about the prem, and as a league it's improved immensely and is fantastic. The country's footballing system as a whole looks like it might be a bit of a mess however. My original post wasn't about the Premiership at all. "It's ruining the game".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 20:41:12 GMT
No almost about it, those 3 leagues are very close but there's a chasm between the Championship and the Premier League. If we were down there now I daresay we'd be practically trapped. It's why I highlighted how important it was we went up when we did, the league we are in is getting better and better though as a result imo... I can only see that changing if the championship gets more investment, my main worry is that there will be a phase where every single championship team to get promoted goes straight back down and the Prem gets even more isolated then it already is. Your original point was about the prem, and as a league it's improved immensely and is fantastic. The country's footballing system as a whole looks like it might be a bit of a mess however. My original post wasn't about the Premiership at all. "It's ruining the game". Vintage oatcake, we had an entire debate based on a post I skimmed I guess! Sorry TO, then it's a fair comment I have mixed feelings, our league is benefitting and the English game is not. How long before the lower leagues become like Spain and Germany with the big clubs B teams in them?
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Post by MuddyWoody on Jun 9, 2016 20:44:30 GMT
Utter fucking lunacy from both parties. To think 20 million isn't enough to buy an average striker like Deeney is insane.
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Post by jezzascfc on Jun 9, 2016 20:50:14 GMT
I'm not sure which is more crazy - Leicester's bid or Watford's rejection of it!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 20:55:44 GMT
My original post wasn't about the Premiership at all. "It's ruining the game". Vintage oatcake, we had an entire debate based on a post I skimmed I guess! Sorry TO, then it's a fair comment I have mixed feelings, our league is benefitting and the English game is not. How long before the lower leagues become like Spain and Germany with the big clubs B teams in them? No worries and I share your fears. I don't think the B team idea is that far off. Just imagine us being in League One now? It would seem even further away than it was years ago. When you consider we got promoted on an approx. outlay of 5M-ish after the sale of Higginbotham. Middlesbrough spent how much on Rhodes alone? 13M or 14M? Frightening and it's only going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 21:10:18 GMT
Vintage oatcake, we had an entire debate based on a post I skimmed I guess! Sorry TO, then it's a fair comment I have mixed feelings, our league is benefitting and the English game is not. How long before the lower leagues become like Spain and Germany with the big clubs B teams in them? No worries and I share your fears. I don't think the B team idea is that far off. Just imagine us being in League One now? It would seem even further away than it was years ago. When you consider we got promoted on an approx. outlay of 5M-ish after the sale of Higginbotham. Middlesbrough spent how much on Rhodes alone? 13M or 14M? Frightening and it's only going to get a lot worse before it gets better. I agree, supporting someone like Ipswich would be sort of soul destroying these days... you could imagine them remaining in that league for a decade and then what? You get promoted and are knocked straight back down. Really gives you a perspective on how lucky we are as Stoke fans.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 9, 2016 21:22:16 GMT
It will be interesting to see if Troy "Mr Watford" Deeney pulls a hissy fit and slaps in a transfer request. Deeney is quite open about his footballing allegiances so where this "Mr Watford" comes from is probably simply in your imagination. Deeney's football love is Birmingham City and he's quite open about that fact.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 9, 2016 21:28:31 GMT
Do Leicester know that Vardy is going to Arsenal or are they squad building ? If they do know and think Deeney is the ideal replacement for Vardy then they are severely retarded. I would imagine they see him as a huge upgrade on the two who share the duty of playing behind Vardy given he played the role so well for Watford behind ighalo. He'd also score more goals than the other two combined as well. 20m may be daft money but I can see why Leicester would be interested in such a player.
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Post by lordb on Jun 9, 2016 21:33:28 GMT
It will be interesting to see if Troy "Mr Watford" Deeney pulls a hissy fit and slaps in a transfer request. Deeney is quite open about his footballing allegiances so where this "Mr Watford" comes from is probably simply in your imagination. Deeney's football love is Birmingham City and he's quite open about that fact. True but he is captain and very much a talisman there.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 9, 2016 21:34:35 GMT
All this shows to me is Champions or not, Leicester do not have the pull of the genuinely big clubs and this is the pool they'll be fishing in.
Lose Vardy and Mahrez and lightening won't strike twice.
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Post by lordb on Jun 9, 2016 21:36:09 GMT
Out of interest how much did everyone think he is worth?
Championship strikers have been going for around £10m for a few years now so double that for a guy who has a good season in the Premiership whilst eye watering perhaps isn't as bonkers as first appears.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 9, 2016 21:40:48 GMT
If they do know and think Deeney is the ideal replacement for Vardy then they are severely retarded. I would imagine they see him as a huge upgrade on the two who share the duty of playing behind Vardy given he played the role so well for Watford behind ighalo. He'd also score more goals than the other two combined as well. 20m may be daft money but I can see why Leicester would be interested in such a player. A huge upgrade? I really don't see it. As for my "Mr Watford" comment, I wasn't suggesting he was a Watford fan but I know for a fact he is the main man at that club. So much so Flores changed his whole footballing 'philosophy' after Deeney instigated a squad meeting to tell him they were best suited to playing 4-4-2 and not the system the new manager wanted to play.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 9, 2016 21:45:58 GMT
I would imagine they see him as a huge upgrade on the two who share the duty of playing behind Vardy given he played the role so well for Watford behind ighalo. He'd also score more goals than the other two combined as well. 20m may be daft money but I can see why Leicester would be interested in such a player. A huge upgrade? I really don't see it. As for my "Mr Watford" comment, I wasn't suggesting he was a Watford fan but I know for a fact he is the main man at that club. So much so Flores changed his whole footballing 'philosophy' after Deeney instigated a squad meeting to tell him they were best suited to playing 4-4-2 and not the system the new manager wanted to play. Captain, leader and great tactician because 4-4-1-1 clearly got the best out of them. He will obviously make a great manager. The "Mr Watford" was a cheap dig in my opinion. He's no more "Mr Watford" as Ryan Shawcross is "Mr stoke city". Deeney is miles better than ozakaki and ulloa or whatever they are called and he's way better than jon Walters as well.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 9, 2016 21:53:17 GMT
A huge upgrade? I really don't see it. As for my "Mr Watford" comment, I wasn't suggesting he was a Watford fan but I know for a fact he is the main man at that club. So much so Flores changed his whole footballing 'philosophy' after Deeney instigated a squad meeting to tell him they were best suited to playing 4-4-2 and not the system the new manager wanted to play. Captain, leader and great tactician because 4-4-1-1 clearly got the best out of them. He will obviously make a great manager. The "Mr Watford" was a cheap dig in my opinion. He's no more "Mr Watford" as Ryan Shawcross is "Mr stoke city". Deeney is miles better than ozakaki and ulloa or whatever they are called and he's way better than jon Walters as well. I was comparing Deeney to Vardy because it looks likely he will be leaving, why bring Okasaki into it? I apologise for the fact I don't agree Deeney is a multi million pound all star footballer who should be playing in the Champions league. My. Fucking. Bad.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 9, 2016 21:58:32 GMT
Captain, leader and great tactician because 4-4-1-1 clearly got the best out of them. He will obviously make a great manager. The "Mr Watford" was a cheap dig in my opinion. He's no more "Mr Watford" as Ryan Shawcross is "Mr stoke city". Deeney is miles better than ozakaki and ulloa or whatever they are called and he's way better than jon Walters as well. I was comparing Deeney to Vardy because it looks likely he will be leaving, why bring Okasaki into it? I apologise for the fact I don't agree Deeney is a multi million pound all star footballer who should be playing in the Champions league. My. Fucking. Bad. To the best of my knowledge vardy hasn't gone yet and I'm pretty sure someone as astute as ranieri would realise that deeney and vardy are totally different players. I bought Okazaki into it because were deeney to sign for Leicester it would probably be his position in the team that would come under the immediate threat.
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