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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 7, 2016 18:21:13 GMT
I've had reservations about Hughes since day 1 BUT he's been massively unlucky with injuries this season. Coates will not sack the manager responsible for the performances we saw this year against Man City, Man United, Chelsea, Liverpool away in the cup, and Everton away. I'm sure there will be a frank exchange of views at the end of the season but I would expect Coates to favour continued stability. However, we must get off to a better start next season and not accept any of this "we're always stronger in the second half of the season" nonsense. If he does decide to fire Hughes (or if Hughes decides to go) my shortlist would include Howe, Benitez and Moyes who all have premier league experience, and Warburton. I want Hughes to stay, if he does't, I wouldn't have Warburton, he has done well in Scotland,which is light years below the Premiership.
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Post by wuzza on May 7, 2016 18:23:46 GMT
He will be unless someone in the boardroom is feeling very brave ( bookies tend not to go for big gambles) . Brave? Or absolutely fucking demented? Well they might think they know someone who will do a better job ( it's not impossible) It would be brave to back their judgement and go for it in the light of the statistics of the points haul Hughes has achieved in the last 3 years.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 7, 2016 18:33:14 GMT
An exit now might actually suit both parties
- Both would separate with enhanced reputations - New war chest would go to a Benitez or Moyes etc ( if we could get Benitez Close to the Wirral etc it's a no brainer ) - A Hughes slow start with no credit in the bank due to this finish would lead to change anyway given the lack of fight in this group - The last £30m spent has produced very disappointing results . Either way This summer needs to be a radical improvement on last with no hanging around for the shaq's of this world or clever bargains in Danish reserve keepers .
People say we've been unlucky with injuries but the contra is had the Butland injury occurred on the last day do January we would have been utterly stuffed . This season is a warning recruitment has been poor . Players sold too cheap , the Strengh of the team weakened and very poor value achieved with the signings in the big money bracket . First decsion for the Family and CEO is Management change or not as whoever it is they need material backing and proven or premiership players .
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 18:33:32 GMT
Money talks, always has, always will.
The very fact that he is linked with Everton should tell us that he is doing ok.
I thought he was a bit tougher than what he now appears to be , some players need a right good kick up the shaft at the moment and for some reason he seems reluctant to give it.
Big season for him/us next season he is the 3rd longest serving manager in the prem after Wenger and Howe. Not the securest of jobs, is it?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 18:34:54 GMT
Brave? Or absolutely fucking demented? Well they might think they know someone who will do a better job ( it's not impossible) It would be brave to back their judgement and go for it in the light of the statistics of the points haul Hughes has achieved in the last 3 years. Hughes has given the board absolutely no reason whatsoever to even contemplate sacking him.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 7, 2016 18:39:05 GMT
Actually SId He and his team have spent £33 million since last summer and the team have gone materially backwards , that might be enough to call a mutual halt with both reputations still enhanced
Three years in the modern game with modern players is a fair stint and it's possible all parties might benefit from a change .
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Post by chuffedstokie on May 7, 2016 18:41:46 GMT
Hughes is the best man for Stoke no question. The players have bottled it this past 2 months and our slump is down to them. Butland has been superb this season but no way has he been that amazing so as to hide the fact that the rest of the team isn't. I trust Hughes to sort it out and push us towards top 6 next season Completely agree that MH is the man for the job and I sure as hell don't want him going anywhere soon. Man for man we've got a talented squad of players who for whatever reason are under performing big time. No game is ever a given and everyone knows it but to witness what is a decent team run out of ideas and fail to grasp the gravity of a situation, themselves, on the pitch, as a collective is bizarre at best. I'm no doom monger and 10th best club in the land is where we'll be again. Ambition coupled with a never roll over and die attitude needs to be hammered into the subconscious of this lot before they forget what their day job actually is.
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Post by wuzza on May 7, 2016 18:44:52 GMT
Well they might think they know someone who will do a better job ( it's not impossible) It would be brave to back their judgement and go for it in the light of the statistics of the points haul Hughes has achieved in the last 3 years. Hughes has given the board absolutely no reason whatsoever to even contemplate sacking him. No he's still got a bit stored away in the bank. The success or otherwise of the big money buys will be carefully watched next season I imagine.
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Post by Trouserdog on May 7, 2016 18:48:17 GMT
There's no way that Coates would even consider sacking him- it'd be absolutely ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 18:49:49 GMT
The Peter Coates who employed Pulis was happy to keep him as manager with finishes around 12th place every year.
Presumably the remit was to keep us in the Premier League, and there was no need to remove him until a number of factors made it the right time for him to go.
The only problem Hughes will have is if the remit has changed, and Coates now has far greater expectations.
Even though the season has turned into a bit of a clusterfuck, Hughes will still have presided over three finishes greater than Pulis achieved, and it's only this season where he's been given real money to spend.
It doesn't mean everything in the garden is rosy, and Hughes has to be mindful that despite the media stereotype, we're no longer poor little Stoke. We can attract top players with the Coates' millions behind us, and by the same token, the level of manager we can attract is also of a much higher calibre.
There are excuses that can be made for some of the poor performances, such as the injuries to defenders and Butland, but at the same time, while the defence has been all over the shop by necessity, the messing about with the forwards has been frankly bizarre.
I don't want him to go, but at the moment, the team are playing like they've forgotten what made them good. The defence looks ragged at times, but it's our toothlessness up front that concerns me the most.
On paper, we have some of the most exciting looking attack minded players in the Prem. If Hughes can find a way to translate that to the performances on the pitch then we could be amazing. But if he can't, Uncle Peter might just start looking for someone who can.
Hopefully Hughes can get the most out of the players next season. I like the kind of players he's bought and overall, the last three seasons have been enjoyable, but he needs to show me that he's not gone stale.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 7, 2016 18:50:24 GMT
On the whole he's been a great manager for us and has definitely taken us forward.
I guess timing is everything and unlike a team that is in relegation trouble, right now we are an excellent pull for a manager. We're an established PL club with a great chairman who will give a new man money to spend. We also have some excellent players here already.
We may not have that pull if we start next season off badly.
For me I'm 50/50 re whether he should stay. Hughes has a lot of positives with the main one being he seems able to attract excellent players. The negatives are he does seem a little naïve tactically.
We do need freshening up but I'm not sure whether it shouldn't just be new players. If we were replacing him we have to get a better tactician in. Given the choice if Newcastle go down I'd move heaven and earth to get Benitez in.
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Post by loosestools on May 7, 2016 18:53:27 GMT
I think the powers that be at Bet365 Towers will be getting twitchy. Would Moyes come to SCFC? Thats my next bet.
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Post by loosestools on May 7, 2016 18:54:57 GMT
Hughes is the best man for Stoke no question. The players have bottled it this past 2 months and our slump is down to them. Butland has been superb this season but no way has he been that amazing so as to hide the fact that the rest of the team isn't. I trust Hughes to sort it out and push us towards top 6 next season Completely agree that MH is the man for the job and I sure as hell don't want him going anywhere soon. Man for man we've got a talented squad of players who for whatever reason are under performing big time. No game is ever a given and everyone knows it but to witness what is a decent team run out of ideas and fail to grasp the gravity of a situation, themselves, on the pitch, as a collective is bizarre at best. I'm no doom monger and 10th best club in the land is where we'll be again. Ambition coupled with a never roll over and die attitude needs to be hammered into the subconscious of this lot before they forget what their day job actually is.
eeerh, surely thats the managers job?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 7, 2016 18:58:29 GMT
Cobham I too am 50/50 but I've just watched Leicester's pre game celebration with the world famous opera singer and recalled our use of the co-op funeral band to warm up our 100 years .
I think your right it's not just players that are the answer but off the pitch we Come over as very very small time and that has to run though the organisation .
Leicester started with a mission to win the premier league 3 years ago We need a CEO who can translate the owners unbelievable backing into a truly top flight manager and a club that reflects their support .
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Post by dutchstokie on May 7, 2016 19:07:42 GMT
I wish people would stop moanin
Thankless bastards
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Post by Kjones9 on May 7, 2016 19:14:08 GMT
What happened to "we're 10th ffs?" The very same ones that are now the main moaning force (March, momo, hch, jimm)?
Hypocritical wankers.
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Post by hchpotter on May 7, 2016 19:14:40 GMT
I've had reservations about Hughes since day 1 BUT he's been massively unlucky with injuries this season. Coates will not sack the manager responsible for the performances we saw this year against Man City, Man United, Chelsea, Liverpool away in the cup, and Everton away. I'm sure there will be a frank exchange of views at the end of the season but I would expect Coates to favour continued stability. However, we must get off to a better start next season and not accept any of this "we're always stronger in the second half of the season" nonsense. If he does decide to fire Hughes (or if Hughes decides to go) my shortlist would include Howe, Benitez and Moyes who all have premier league experience, and Warburton. I want Hughes to stay, if he does't, I wouldn't have Warburton, he has done well in Scotland,which is light years below the Premiership. Sort of agree Staffs. Of the four I mentioned Warburton would definitely be the gamble but he also did really well at Brentford. Point taken though.
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Post by chuffedstokie on May 7, 2016 19:16:27 GMT
Completely agree that MH is the man for the job and I sure as hell don't want him going anywhere soon. Man for man we've got a talented squad of players who for whatever reason are under performing big time. No game is ever a given and everyone knows it but to witness what is a decent team run out of ideas and fail to grasp the gravity of a situation, themselves, on the pitch, as a collective is bizarre at best. I'm no doom monger and 10th best club in the land is where we'll be again. Ambition coupled with a never roll over and die attitude needs to be hammered into the subconscious of this lot before they forget what their day job actually is.
eeerh, surely thats the managers job? Exactly. But it doesn't stop the players thinking for themselves whilst at the same time tear arse ing up and down the pitch. Let's face we're not exactly asking them to split the atom.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 19:19:53 GMT
Actually SId He and his team have spent £33 million since last summer and the team have gone materially backwards , that might be enough to call a mutual halt with both reputations still enhanced Three years in the modern game with modern players is a fair stint and it's possible all parties might benefit from a change . Shut up you absolute pipe.
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Post by songthrush01 on May 7, 2016 19:26:49 GMT
On the whole he's been a great manager for us and has definitely taken us forward. I guess timing is everything and unlike a team that is in relegation trouble, right now we are an excellent pull for a manager. We're an established PL club with a great chairman who will give a new man money to spend. We also have some excellent players here already. We may not have that pull if we start next season off badly. For me I'm 50/50 re whether he should stay. Hughes has a lot of positives with the main one being he seems able to attract excellent players. The negatives are he does seem a little naïve tactically. We do need freshening up but I'm not sure whether it shouldn't just be new players. If we were replacing him we have to get a better tactician in. Given the choice if Newcastle go down I'd move heaven and earth to get Benitez in. thats how i feel about him.we need a team not individuals and coates has never gone foreign,unless he feels that theres nothing britsh out there thats good enough.benitez has at least a record of winning trophies.
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Post by march4 on May 7, 2016 19:31:44 GMT
Consistent stability in the top half of the table. How has Hughes not offered that so far? We are in a diabolical decline with no sign of an end. LMH has made exactly the same error as TP. He took the team to a certain level and then tried to 'push on' with big money signings. It cost TP his job.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 7, 2016 19:34:30 GMT
How has Hughes not offered that so far? We are in a diabolical decline with no sign of an end. LMH has made exactly the same error as TP. He took the team to a certain level and then tried to 'push on' with big money signings. It cost TP his job. So far his finishes have been 9th, 9th and we're 10th with a game to go. Can you explain to me how that isn't consistent top 10?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 7, 2016 19:35:20 GMT
Sid
Never mind my pipe , Your smoking something too strong for you if you don't believe the manager is at some risk . "Separate the person me " from the problem many very rational posters on here are articulating without emotion a 50/50 view on the manager as results tailspin and big money signings fail to convince .
Its only natural that those about to entrust the manager with the £40'million or so required to transform this squad might pause to be totally sure they still believe three years on he is the man to put their trust in . It's naive in the extreme to think they won't ask the question of themselves is there someone better equipped to take us to the next level the investment merits .
Personally I'm glad im not the one to make the call as I think it's a very tough one he has had on balance three good years but he same could be said of say Jose at Chelsea first time round but it's the last 10 games that force change not the previous 150.
My only hope is we don't fall between the two decisions with a wait and see mix and mend approach .
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 19:35:31 GMT
Of course he will be. However he needs a huge summer in the transfer market and we end to start the season firing
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on May 7, 2016 19:36:19 GMT
I have a sneaky feeling(don't know why) that he might walk away at the end of the season
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 19:36:22 GMT
Actually SId He and his team have spent £33 million since last summer and the team have gone materially backwards , that might be enough to call a mutual halt with both reputations still enhanced Three years in the modern game with modern players is a fair stint and it's possible all parties might benefit from a change . Put the bong down, son.
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Post by karl on May 7, 2016 19:37:28 GMT
How has Hughes not offered that so far? We are in a diabolical decline with no sign of an end. LMH has made exactly the same error as TP. He took the team to a certain level and then tried to 'push on' with big money signings. It cost TP his job. We should try to get Moyes as Manager and we would get into Europe again Sent from my E6853 using proboards
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 19:39:22 GMT
I have a sneaky feeling(don't know why) that he might walk away at the end of the season I get the impression he's frustrated. I'd confidently hand it to Moyes if he walked. A man with a point to prove.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 19:41:34 GMT
I have a sneaky feeling(don't know why) that he might walk away at the end of the season The thought keeps crossing my mind too. If he does, it will be the right thing because it will mean he doesn't know how, or have the desire to halt the current slide. I hope he's bigger than that, and comes back firing next season. He'd also have to bear in mind that the reputation he's spent three years rebuilding, would once again take a battering if he left under the current circumstances.
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Post by dieguito88 on May 7, 2016 19:43:00 GMT
I think he fails in made Stoke a goal scoring team, like everybody of us wants Stoke to be after TP sacking. So if a manager like Bielsa or Laudrup or other attacking mind manager is avaiable, then who knows?
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