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Post by ukcstokie on Jun 12, 2016 0:50:52 GMT
I really can't see Compton getting another chance (I think this was the one too many games rather than the one two few that has been mentioned). Feel sorry for him: as soon as he get's under pressure then the media are pushing his replacement - like they'd been briefed. The first time it was Root, now Borthwick. Compton doesn't seem to do well under pressure, but I get the feeling he could hit that vein of form he could do well. But there's little evidence he can really cope at Test level. I think we need to go with Bothwick (who also provides a useful leggy option) in the next test, and just hope he can keep his form going. I have no problem with giving Borthwick a chance ....its deserved on weight of runs scored . Me neither. I just want them to get him in there when he's playing well. If we an get him, Stokes, Moeen, Woaks in the team that will be batting down to 9 and 6 bowlers - including 2 spinners who can turn it both ways. Could set us up nicely for the winter tours.
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Post by ukcstokie on Jun 12, 2016 0:57:10 GMT
I really can't see Compton getting another chance (I think this was the one too many games rather than the one two few that has been mentioned). Feel sorry for him: as soon as he get's under pressure then the media are pushing his replacement - like they'd been briefed. The first time it was Root, now Borthwick. Compton doesn't seem to do well under pressure, but I get the feeling he could hit that vein of form he could do well. But there's little evidence he can really cope at Test level. I think we need to go with Bothwick (who also provides a useful leggy option) in the next test, and just hope he can keep his form going. Compton was unlucky to be left out three years ago ......that being said I didn't feel it was right to bring him back in the winter ...his time had passed , seemed odd to me to leave a quality player like Bell out. ( although I admit he had been struggling of late ) and bring someone like Compton back ....no comparison really . I think Bell is a class batsmen. One of our very best. But in recent seasons he's really struggled to get any form at test level. The Bell of old would walk into this side, but unfortunately he's more of an old Bell now. I'd be more than happy to put him back in at 3 - if his form suggested it - but 4, 5 and 6 seem taken for me (by Root, Stokes and Bairstow).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 1:11:51 GMT
Compton was unlucky to be left out three years ago ......that being said I didn't feel it was right to bring him back in the winter ...his time had passed , seemed odd to me to leave a quality player like Bell out. ( although I admit he had been struggling of late ) and bring someone like Compton back ....no comparison really . I think Bell is a class batsmen. One of our very best. But in recent seasons he's really struggled to get any form at test level. The Bell of old would walk into this side, but unfortunately he's more of an old Bell now. I'd be more than happy to put him back in at 3 - if his form suggested it - but 4, 5 and 6 seem taken for me (by Root, Stokes and Bairstow). I won't argue with your point about Bell .....but don't cosign him to the past yet, because a guy has reached a certain age ( mid to early thirties ) it doesn't mean he has to be ditched ..I still think he has the class to regain his place in the side ....he is as far as I can see a class (still ) above any of the young guns who covert his place ....youth does not necessarily mean that the old guard should be disgarded ...at the end of the day the national team should be selected from its best players and on ability .
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 12, 2016 6:11:22 GMT
I think Bell is a class batsmen. One of our very best. But in recent seasons he's really struggled to get any form at test level. The Bell of old would walk into this side, but unfortunately he's more of an old Bell now. I'd be more than happy to put him back in at 3 - if his form suggested it - but 4, 5 and 6 seem taken for me (by Root, Stokes and Bairstow). I won't argue with your point about Bell .....but don't cosign him to the past yet, because a guy has reached a certain age ( mid to early thirties ) it doesn't mean he has to be ditched ..I still think he has the class to regain his place in the side ....he is as far as I can see a class (still ) above any of the young guns who covert his place ....youth does not necessarily mean that the old guard should be disgarded ...at the end of the day the national team should be selected from its best players and on ability . You are right - there is a huge Bell shaped hole in the England team just now. His class and experience is just what is needed to shore up that wobbly top order. Only thing is the Ian Bell that could fit that hole hasn't been much in evidence for quite some time. That wobbly problem in our top order has been there for a good few years now - and Mr Bell was one of the main culprits for the five or six seriesbefore he was dropped. The search for a wise old hand to steady the young hands, in the absence of Bell, is what led to Compton's selection. Unfortunately, Compton had neither class nor experience (age not being enough on its own, otherwise I might get a bat). Such a shame about Taylor who looked like he had what it takes. But, the good news is there are openings for aspiring batsmen. Let's hope we select players who have both the temperament and technique to play test cricket. BTW - two shout outs for a couple of new players who seem to be settling in well to test cricket. Hayles - despite his first innings brainstorm, looks to have worked hard at his batting since his underwhelming series debut in South Africa. Has shown great application in his batting. He deserves a hundred - which he could well get today. Woakes - what a change. Up until this point he looked like a archetypal 1990's bits and pieces all rounder. But in this series he looks like the real deal with bat and ball. He's bowling quick, moves the ball around and has an excellent action that means he can maintain good line and length and therefore pressure. As for his batting, no one will be surprised when he scores a test century. This is no fluke though. He's clearly worked very hard. Congrats to both players.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 9:26:45 GMT
I won't argue with your point about Bell .....but don't cosign him to the past yet, because a guy has reached a certain age ( mid to early thirties ) it doesn't mean he has to be ditched ..I still think he has the class to regain his place in the side ....he is as far as I can see a class (still ) above any of the young guns who covert his place ....youth does not necessarily mean that the old guard should be disgarded ...at the end of the day the national team should be selected from its best players and on ability . You are right - there is a huge Bell shaped hole in the England team just now. His class and experience is just what is needed to shore up that wobbly top order. Only thing is the Ian Bell that could fit that hole hasn't been much in evidence for quite some time. That wobbly problem in our top order has been there for a good few years now - and Mr Bell was one of the main culprits for the five or six seriesbefore he was dropped. The search for a wise old hand to steady the young hands, in the absence of Bell, is what led to Compton's selection. Unfortunately, Compton had neither class nor experience (age not being enough on its own, otherwise I might get a bat). Such a shame about Taylor who looked like he had what it takes. But, the good news is there are openings for aspiring batsmen. Let's hope we select players who have both the temperament and technique to play test cricket. BTW - two shout outs for a couple of new players who seem to be settling in well to test cricket. Hayles - despite his first innings brainstorm, looks to have worked hard at his batting since his underwhelming series debut in South Africa. Has shown great application in his batting. He deserves a hundred - which he could well get today. Woakes - what a change. Up until this point he looked like a archetypal 1990's bits and pieces all rounder. But in this series he looks like the real deal with bat and ball. He's bowling quick, moves the ball around and has an excellent action that means he can maintain good line and length and therefore pressure. As for his batting, no one will be surprised when he scores a test century. This is no fluke though. He's clearly worked very hard. Congrats to both players. Quite right about Hales and Woakes , which is pleasing because as far as the opening partner for Cook is concerned it's been a long search to find one , going back almost four years from when Strauss retired , Hales may be the one we have been looking for , let's hope that the selectors reward him with a good extended run in the side to enable him to make the spot permanent . Woakes to me has been something of a revaluation recently , I must confess to not being overly impressed by his bowling before now, but he appears to have come on in leaps and bounds in that respect and has added a couple of yards of pace to his armoury ,which is vital at this level .I previously considered him a bowler who could bat a bit but he has blossomed into a real potential genuine all rounder at test match level , those type of players only come around periodically so the prospect of potentially having two in the same team ( Stokes of course being the other ) is pretty exciting . As for the Bell question.....I agree he has not been performing as well as he might have been over the last couple of years or so , but even so he has to be a better bet than Compton and on the evidence so far Vince ( I'm not ready to dismiss Vince from the picture yet though one decent innings may be the catalyst for him ) It may yet prove to be prudent to go back to Bell in the short term , I'm not convinced there is a better option available at the present , very sadly James Taylor is now lost to us , he could have been ideal as a long term Bell replacement .I still have hopes of Buttler making the grade as wk/ batsman which would allow Bairstow to concentrate on his role as a batsman ...apparently he is keen to nail down the spot as keeper ,but I'm not convinced ( which may seem a little odd considering that he's taken 20 catches in this series so far , but his glove work in general doesn't fit the bill for me .
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 12, 2016 17:40:07 GMT
Pity about Hales out for 94. A ton would have put him in a better frame of mind for the Pakistani series, but now he will still be feeling a bit nervy.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 12, 2016 19:56:25 GMT
Pity about Hales out for 94. A ton would have put him in a better frame of mind for the Pakistani series, but now he will still be feeling a bit nervy. Yes a big shame. I think he'll be quite happy with his batting in this series - both runs and approach; he has the second highest aggregate total behind Bairstow but has a lower strike rate than Cook. I'm sure the selectors will be satisfied. He's now secure for the Pakistan series and, I'm sure, the winter tour to India. He's has started to look like a test opening bat. Which is very good news. As Bish has said, it's been a problem position since Strauss called it a day.
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Post by charlesjefferson on Jun 21, 2016 9:08:59 GMT
First ODI today so get on your PJ's, get out the white ball and give it some heavy wallop. I know I do!
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Post by charlesjefferson on Jun 21, 2016 18:47:45 GMT
We've made a dogs breakfast of this run chase. Just need a solid 200 run partnership and we'll win this at a canter
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 22, 2016 5:49:12 GMT
Listened to the climax of this game on the train back to Glasgow from Edinburgh - made the journey fly!
Great to see Butler so good with the bat - can't wait to see him back in the test 11. Woakes continues to impress - has to be a stick on for the Pakistan series. And a shout out to Plunket - he can bat and bowls with serious pace. A great back up for the test side.
Good times for English cricket - and very encouraging signs for a competitive ODI series against a good Sri Lanka side.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 18:48:08 GMT
I went to Trent Bridge yesterday - good game overall, but we were woeful in the early part of our innings. Morgan and then Buttler really turned things around and then it all culminated in that fantastic finale with the 6 off the last ball. Plunkett deserved some luck as he was getting really hit round the ground during the early/mid part of his bowling stint, but then recovered to take a couple of wickets. Overall a really enjoyable afternoon/evening.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 23, 2016 4:45:59 GMT
I went to Trent Bridge yesterday - good game overall, but we were woeful in the early part of our innings. Morgan and then Buttler really turned things around and then it all culminated in that fantastic finale with the 6 off the last ball. Plunkett deserved some luck as he was getting really hit round the ground during the early/mid part of his bowling stint, but then recovered to take a couple of wickets. Overall a really enjoyable afternoon/evening. I feel sorry for Plunkett - looks like, with the emergence of Woakes, he'll be the fall guy when Stokes returns. Hard to see him holding a regular place in any form of cricket for England at the moment meaning he'll be limited to occasional appearances when other bowlers are rested or injured. Which is a shame as he us a very talented player. It suggests we have plenty in the locker as far as fast bowlers are concerned - which is good news.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 24, 2016 20:23:08 GMT
Excellent effort from England today; bowled and fielded well then batted superbly. Chasing down 250 odd without losing a wicket with nearly 15 overs to spare is a seriously impressive win. Chalk up another win for project No Fear.
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Post by charlesjefferson on Jun 24, 2016 20:45:29 GMT
I think Roy & Hales were pretty selfish, fancy not letting anyone else have a bat! Reminded me of playing cricket as a youngster, impatiently waiting for someone to get out so i could have a go or else "I'm taking my bat home!"
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Post by Bowyer83 on Jun 24, 2016 20:49:11 GMT
I think Roy & Hales were pretty selfish, fancy not letting anyone else have a bat! Reminded me of playing cricket as a youngster, impatiently waiting for someone to get out so i could have a go or else "I'm taking my bat home!" Superb partnership and effort from the lads today considering Sri Lanka are a decent one day side aswell. English cricket is looking up!
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 29, 2016 18:19:17 GMT
After the disappointment of the 3rd ODI being rained off, the 4th looks like it could be a cracker - providing that pesky rain keeps away.
England chasing 308 off 42 overs are belting along: 104-1 off 13 overs. Roy and Root going great guns.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 19:27:42 GMT
After the disappointment of the 3rd ODI being rained off, the 4th looks like it could be a cracker - providing that pesky rain keeps away. England chasing 308 off 42 overs are belting along: 104-1 off 13 overs. Roy and Root going great guns. Excellent so far from Roy .....it should be a match winning innings again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 20:14:57 GMT
Superb innings from Roy - pity he couldn't have seen it through to the end. Should be interesting now to see if we can win, hopefully Bairstow can take charge
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 20:17:02 GMT
Superb innings from Roy - pity he couldn't have seen it through to the end. Should be interesting now to see if we can win, hopefully Bairstow can take charge He's shaping up to be a real find. He's not just a slogger either and I think he has enough shots in his locker to make the grade in test cricket as well....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 20:19:22 GMT
Superb innings from Roy - pity he couldn't have seen it through to the end. Should be interesting now to see if we can win, hopefully Bairstow can take charge He's shaping up to be a real find. He's not just a slogger either and I think he has enough shots in his locker to make the grade in test cricket as well.... I agree, it looks like we may have finally found an opening Test batsman after trying Lyth etc. Hopefully Bairstow and Buttler can see this game through now, looking fairly easy at the moment.
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Post by charlesjefferson on Jun 29, 2016 20:26:12 GMT
Another fantastic performance with the bat and another win.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 20:27:02 GMT
Comfortable win in the end - our second highest ODI run chase in history successfully accomplished.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 29, 2016 20:30:38 GMT
The transformation of England's ODI cricket in the last 18 months is just staggering. At the start of 2015 we were appalling. Now, it seems, nothing is beyond us. We just chased down 308 of 40 overs - at a canter. Incredible.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 2, 2016 21:05:44 GMT
The 5 match ODI series against Sri Lanka concludes with another thumping win. Very impressive. With bat and ball.
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Post by charlesjefferson on Jul 3, 2016 11:41:09 GMT
I'm hoping they pick this Tymal Mills fella in the starting XI for the T20 on Tuesday. He has real pace, left armer, be exciting to see him given a go in an England shirt.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 11:44:01 GMT
I'm hoping they pick this Tymal Mills fella in the starting XI for the T20 on Tuesday. He has real pace, left armer, be exciting to see him given a go in an England shirt. My thoughts too Charles .
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Jul 3, 2016 15:26:18 GMT
I'm hoping they pick this Tymal Mills fella in the starting XI for the T20 on Tuesday. He has real pace, left armer, be exciting to see him given a go in an England shirt. My thoughts too Charles . I didn't get to where I am today not knowing my fast bowlers.............................No ain't got a clue. Enlighten me Bish.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 15:46:45 GMT
My thoughts too Charles . I didn't get to where I am today not knowing my fast bowlers.............................No ain't got a clue. Enlighten me Bish. He is a left arm fast bowler previously of Essex now playing for Sussex , I haven't seen a lot of him myself ,but he does appear to be genuinely quick and he's left arm which is another useful point in his favour ...apparently though I read that he has a dodgy back and it seems that may affect his ability to bowl the number of overs that would be required at Test Match level , that remains to be seen of course but it would be useful to have a look at him in the shorter forms of the game .
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Post by charlesjefferson on Jul 3, 2016 19:12:06 GMT
My thoughts too Charles . I didn't get to where I am today not knowing my fast bowlers.............................No ain't got a clue. Enlighten me Bish.
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Post by Theninjabadger on Jul 3, 2016 20:08:09 GMT
I didn't get to where I am today not knowing my fast bowlers.............................No ain't got a clue. Enlighten me Bish. He is a left arm fast bowler previously of Essex now playing for Sussex , I haven't seen a lot of him myself ,but he does appear to be genuinely quick and he's left arm which is another useful point in his favour ...apparently though I read that he has a dodgy back and it seems that may affect his ability to bowl the number of overs that would be required at Test Match level , that remains to be seen of course but it would be useful to have a look at him in the shorter forms of the game . Struggles to even play much 50over cricket because of his back. But he's rapid something we haven't had in a long time. Saw his opening spell against Somerset on the t20s. Of the best 20-20 players couldn't play him. Think most will struggle against 95/96mph bowling though
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