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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 16, 2015 8:40:27 GMT
I don't know who comes out worse in this, Pulis for spending £8m on a player he doesn't intend to play in his proper position or Chester for being told that from the off and signing anyway...
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Post by werrington on Nov 16, 2015 8:50:52 GMT
I don't know who comes out worse in this, Pulis for spending £8m on a player he doesn't intend to play in his proper position or Chester for being told that from the off and signing anyway... The doubling of his wages and signing on fee will help stifle the blow mate
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 16, 2015 8:58:38 GMT
No doubt mate, just think career-wise it's not always best to go for the first puppy in the window. True for players as well as clubs.
Players like Kitson and Tuncay might've done their homework as well.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Nov 16, 2015 11:37:01 GMT
Stop the press!!!! Pulls buys player with intention of playing him out of position. I used to froth at the mouth when seeing Delap/Whitehead out on the wing and Huth at right back.
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Nov 16, 2015 11:55:36 GMT
Why take time to go shopping for round pegs to put in round holes when you can be a lazy fucker and and buy square ones online for an extortionate price and fucking hammer the bastards into the round holes ?? Sound familiar ?? Makes sense !!
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Post by bringmesunshine on Nov 16, 2015 12:03:27 GMT
For a manager who has undeniably been a success he always seems to divide opinion where ever he goes, and Palace fans will tell you that as well.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 16, 2015 13:19:01 GMT
You couldn't make this shit up. "The former Hull defender joined the Baggies on an £8million move" "has not started in the Premier League since the opening day of the season" "Chester added: “When I signed he said he knew I could play at centre-half but he wanted to use me at full-back"" "“But to only give me one opportunity there I find it quite difficult to understand."" www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/bench-warmer-james-chester-already-6837129This is brilliant. 8m for a centre half that you intend to play at full back. Why not just sign a full back? I bet the Brazilians are frothing at the mouth on this one. You gotta love tone! Only in the mind of tp and the lively and inventive Dave Kemp could this make sense.
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Post by Miles Offside on Nov 17, 2015 10:27:05 GMT
"We'd rather get relegated than watch THAT shit every week" When Mowbray was the Baggies manager he said something similar just before he got them relegated and left for a different job. There's a lot of wilful blindness about Tone. Some can't see his faults, others see nothing else. No other manager in 20 odd years of trying could get us into the top league. No other manager in our history got us to an FA Cup Final. He'll always be tainted by the Palacios transfer, but how many at the time he signed were warning that it was money wasted? I can only remember one or two on here saying it. Many criticise the amount of money he spent at Stoke, but he had to build a Premier League squad and, anyway, we've recouped about a third of it. And players like Tommy, Abdy Faye, Danny Higginbotham, Ric, Rory and Matt Etherington gave great service before leaving for nothing. Others like Butland, Cameron, Ryan, Whelan, Wilson, Walters and Crouch are still a crucial part of the first team squad. Our first season after promotion still stands as our most exciting to date, even though we've since finished higher. So, for all those things, Pulis deserves to be recognised as one of our best ever managers. But I was glad he finally left after his last season and a half bored the arse off me.
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Nov 17, 2015 12:01:40 GMT
"We'd rather get relegated than watch THAT shit every week" When Mowbray was the Baggies manager he said something similar just before he got them relegated and left for a different job. There's a lot of wilful blindness about Tone. Some can't see his faults, others see nothing else. No other manager in 20 odd years of trying could get us into the top league. No other manager in our history got us to an FA Cup Final. He'll always be tainted by the Palacios transfer, but how many at the time he signed were warning that it was money wasted? I can only remember one or two on here saying it. Many criticise the amount of money he spent at Stoke, but he had to build a Premier League squad and, anyway, we've recouped about a third of it. And players like Tommy, Abdy Faye, Danny Higginbotham, Ric, Rory and Matt Etherington gave great service before leaving for nothing. Others like Butland, Cameron, Ryan, Whelan, Wilson, Walters and Crouch are still a crucial part of the first team squad. Our first season after promotion still stands as our most exciting to date, even though we've since finished higher. So, for all those things, Pulis deserves to be recognised as one of our best ever managers. But I was glad he finally left after his last season and a half bored the arse off me. There's not a word of that I don't agree with mate. Although he spunked some major amounts of wedge away, he also made some superb signings. I don't think that what he spent can be described as wasted because it was part of the building process in establishing us in the Prem. He had his faults but he has been a huge part of what's been achieved in our recent history. I've supported Stoke for 25 years and could only dream of where we are now and the difference in our club then and now. Nobody can take that legacy away from Pulis and Coates' efforts. As you say, it was time for him to move on and I was happy to see that happen although I still have great respect and gratitude for the bloke.
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Post by nottinghamstokie on Nov 18, 2015 13:26:23 GMT
No doubt mate, just think career-wise it's not always best to go for the first puppy in the window. True for players as well as clubs. Players like Kitson and Tuncay might've done their homework as well. Tuncay wasn't in a position to do any homework. Boro needed him off the wage bill, and the deal was that we only got Huth if we took Tuncay as well. Tuncay wanted to go to Villa who had already offered a serious fee, but Boro packaged him with Huth, and TP took Tuncay on sufferance
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 13:36:38 GMT
i have to say, i LOVED Tone when he was ours!!! did wonders for us and will be eternally grateful...i loved his sarky comments to the media when he felt we were treated unfairly, i loved the way he set us up to play and frustrate the hell out of the fancy dan big boys and i loved the way he spoke his mind whenever asked an honest question.
nowadays though he doesn't half come across as a right miserable bastard who pisses me off whenever i see his name next to a quote in the paper or hear his name being mentioned on the Radio.
does great work for charity (hats off) and when connected with us he's still a great man in my eyes....apart from that though, he's fast becoming another Neil Warnock for me; moan, whinge, complain and i just want to turn over whenever i see his face!
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 18, 2015 14:12:07 GMT
No doubt mate, just think career-wise it's not always best to go for the first puppy in the window. True for players as well as clubs. Players like Kitson and Tuncay might've done their homework as well. Tuncay wasn't in a position to do any homework. Boro needed him off the wage bill, and the deal was that we only got Huth if we took Tuncay as well. Tuncay wanted to go to Villa who had already offered a serious fee, but Boro packaged him with Huth, and TP took Tuncay on sufferance Sorry, I just don't believe that. I don't believe the club paid £11m for an injury-prone defender who'd just been relegated and took a big-name player 'under sufferance'. I refuse to believe Huth would've cost that much or that we allow ourselves to be dictated to. Tuncay isn't a robot, he didn't have to go anywhere he didn't want to.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 18, 2015 14:36:05 GMT
i have to say, i LOVED Tone when he was ours!!! did wonders for us and will be eternally grateful...i loved his sarky comments to the media when he felt we were treated unfairly, i loved the way he set us up to play and frustrate the hell out of the fancy dan big boys and i loved the way he spoke his mind whenever asked an honest question. nowadays though he doesn't half come across as a right miserable bastard who pisses me off whenever i see his name next to a quote in the paper or hear his name being mentioned on the Radio. does great work for charity (hats off) and when connected with us he's still a great man in my eyes....apart from that though, he's fast becoming another Neil Warnock for me; moan, whinge, complain and i just want to turn over whenever i see his face! I have fond memories of the way Pulis handled the media as well. I used to love the way he would approach games against the big boys with answers like "yeahhh it's a pleasure to be playing a massive club like Arsenal on such a fantastic stage, they've got fantastic players and a fantastic manager and they deserve huge respect"..... only to then go into the dressing room and proper fire the squad up and tell them go out, show no respect and win (that's according to Higgy). Still, I've lost a bit of respect for him after the West Brom game. He seemed to go all out to wind up every Stoke fan that day. Mind you, it's probably no different to what he did for us
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 14:55:45 GMT
Tuncay wasn't in a position to do any homework. Boro needed him off the wage bill, and the deal was that we only got Huth if we took Tuncay as well. Tuncay wanted to go to Villa who had already offered a serious fee, but Boro packaged him with Huth, and TP took Tuncay on sufferance Sorry, I just don't believe that. I don't believe the club paid £11m for an injury-prone defender who'd just been relegated and took a big-name player 'under sufferance'. I refuse to believe Huth would've cost that much or that we allow ourselves to be dictated to. Tuncay isn't a robot, he didn't have to go anywhere he didn't want to. one of those urban myths (that curiously never seemed to get much airtime when it occurred) that's reared it's ugly head on here over the last few years and now suddenly people take it as gospel! yet to see anyone show any quotes/articles whatsoever as evidence to back it up
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 14:57:24 GMT
i have to say, i LOVED Tone when he was ours!!! did wonders for us and will be eternally grateful...i loved his sarky comments to the media when he felt we were treated unfairly, i loved the way he set us up to play and frustrate the hell out of the fancy dan big boys and i loved the way he spoke his mind whenever asked an honest question. nowadays though he doesn't half come across as a right miserable bastard who pisses me off whenever i see his name next to a quote in the paper or hear his name being mentioned on the Radio. does great work for charity (hats off) and when connected with us he's still a great man in my eyes....apart from that though, he's fast becoming another Neil Warnock for me; moan, whinge, complain and i just want to turn over whenever i see his face! I have fond memories of the way Pulis handled the media as well. I used to love the way he would approach games against the big boys with answers like "yeahhh it's a pleasure to be playing a massive club like Arsenal on such a fantastic stage, they've got fantastic players and a fantastic manager and they deserve huge respect"..... only to then go into the dressing room and proper fire the squad up and tell them go out, show no respect and win (that's according to Higgy). Still, I've lost a bit of respect for him after the West Brom game. He seemed to go all out to wind up every Stoke fan that day. Mind you, it's probably no different to what he did for us exactly! i can definitely now see why so many opposing fans used to hate him/us...he does my bloody nut in nowadays and i genuinely can't stand watching his post-match interviews, it's always someone else's bloody fault!
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 18, 2015 14:58:52 GMT
Tuncay wasn't in a position to do any homework. Boro needed him off the wage bill, and the deal was that we only got Huth if we took Tuncay as well. Tuncay wanted to go to Villa who had already offered a serious fee, but Boro packaged him with Huth, and TP took Tuncay on sufferance Sorry, I just don't believe that. I don't believe the club paid £11m for an injury-prone defender who'd just been relegated and took a big-name player 'under sufferance'. I refuse to believe Huth would've cost that much or that we allow ourselves to be dictated to. Tuncay isn't a robot, he didn't have to go anywhere he didn't want to. Depends on how big a hard on the Manager at the time had for the player. Stoke are repeatedly poor in transfer negotiations. Always have been.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 18, 2015 15:02:08 GMT
Sorry, I just don't believe that. I don't believe the club paid £11m for an injury-prone defender who'd just been relegated and took a big-name player 'under sufferance'. I refuse to believe Huth would've cost that much or that we allow ourselves to be dictated to. Tuncay isn't a robot, he didn't have to go anywhere he didn't want to. Depends on how big a hard on the Manager at the time had for the player. Stoke are repeatedly poor in transfer negotiations. Always have been. As with the Crouch and Palacios deal, it only makes sense until you actually break it down and work out the time and effort such a deal would involve and all the obstacles in the way of it happening. Tony 'Triggy and Ziggy' Pulis wouldn't put up with a player being foisted on him.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 18, 2015 15:04:43 GMT
I have fond memories of the way Pulis handled the media as well. I used to love the way he would approach games against the big boys with answers like "yeahhh it's a pleasure to be playing a massive club like Arsenal on such a fantastic stage, they've got fantastic players and a fantastic manager and they deserve huge respect"..... only to then go into the dressing room and proper fire the squad up and tell them go out, show no respect and win (that's according to Higgy). Still, I've lost a bit of respect for him after the West Brom game. He seemed to go all out to wind up every Stoke fan that day. Mind you, it's probably no different to what he did for us exactly! i can definitely now see why so many opposing fans used to hate him/us...he does my bloody nut in nowadays and i genuinely can't stand watching his post-match interviews, it's always someone else's bloody fault! yup
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 15:07:28 GMT
Depends on how big a hard on the Manager at the time had for the player. Stoke are repeatedly poor in transfer negotiations. Always have been. As with the Crouch and Palacios deal, it only makes sense until you actually break it down and work out the time and effort such a deal would involve and all the obstacles in the way of it happening. Tony 'Triggy and Ziggy' Pulis wouldn't put up with a player being foisted on him. i agree Tony having a hard on for a player = undoubtedly guilty at times! Tony being dictated to and forced to do what others want = never in a million fucking years! his principles of needing to be top dog and in charge of everything wouldn't allow him to put up with it (and it's pretty much exactly that principle that led to his demise, so if he's willing to leave a job for those priciples then i don't see him being forced into putting them aside and being made to take Tunc on against his will).
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Post by Bramolini on Nov 18, 2015 15:55:26 GMT
In the sun today. Tony Pulis has told James Chester he has a future at West Brom . The defender 26, made an £8 million summer move from Hull but cannot get into one of the tightest backlines in the prem . Baggies boss pulis said "James wants to play and I understand that. He`s a very important member of the squad. Ive spoken with him and he`s absolutely fine " I`ll bet he is !!
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Post by nottinghamstokie on Nov 18, 2015 16:33:48 GMT
Tuncay wasn't in a position to do any homework. Boro needed him off the wage bill, and the deal was that we only got Huth if we took Tuncay as well. Tuncay wanted to go to Villa who had already offered a serious fee, but Boro packaged him with Huth, and TP took Tuncay on sufferance Sorry, I just don't believe that. I don't believe the club paid £11m for an injury-prone defender who'd just been relegated and took a big-name player 'under sufferance'. I refuse to believe Huth would've cost that much or that we allow ourselves to be dictated to. Tuncay isn't a robot, he didn't have to go anywhere he didn't want to. An acquaintance was employed at Boro at the time. The fees were £7m and £4m. Tuncay wasn't free, we still had to pay but that was the agreement. Come on, Rob, ask yourself - was Tuncay EVER a Pulis-type player ? Would he have actively gone to Boro just to sign Tuncay if Huth hadn't been available ? Only one answer to that
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 18, 2015 16:45:27 GMT
Sorry, I just don't believe that. I don't believe the club paid £11m for an injury-prone defender who'd just been relegated and took a big-name player 'under sufferance'. I refuse to believe Huth would've cost that much or that we allow ourselves to be dictated to. Tuncay isn't a robot, he didn't have to go anywhere he didn't want to. An acquaintance was employed at Boro at the time. The fees were £7m and £4m. Tuncay wasn't free, we still had to pay but that was the agreement. Come on, Rob, ask yourself - was Tuncay EVER a Pulis-type player ? Would he have actively gone to Boro just to sign Tuncay if Huth hadn't been available ? Only one answer to that Yes he would. He consistently had a hard-on for 'name' players and then didn't have the foggiest what to do with them once he'd signed them. Was Patrik Berger a Pulis-type player? Was Eidur Gudjohnsen? Was Charlie Adam? Was Michael Owen?
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 18, 2015 17:54:45 GMT
An acquaintance was employed at Boro at the time. The fees were £7m and £4m. Tuncay wasn't free, we still had to pay but that was the agreement. Come on, Rob, ask yourself - was Tuncay EVER a Pulis-type player ? Would he have actively gone to Boro just to sign Tuncay if Huth hadn't been available ? Only one answer to that Yes he would. He consistently had a hard-on for 'name' players and then didn't have the foggiest what to do with them once he'd signed them. Was Patrik Berger a Pulis-type player? Was Eidur Gudjohnsen? Was Charlie Adam? Was Michael Owen? Berger - hard working midfielder - check Eidur - hard working forward - check Adam - no nonsense dirty fucker who could play a bit - check Owen - ???? I'll give you Owen but the others were Pulis players. Tuncay was definitely not. I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that Tuncay was a 'make-weight' in the Huth deal.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 18, 2015 18:02:16 GMT
Yes he would. He consistently had a hard-on for 'name' players and then didn't have the foggiest what to do with them once he'd signed them. Was Patrik Berger a Pulis-type player? Was Eidur Gudjohnsen? Was Charlie Adam? Was Michael Owen? Berger - hard working midfielder - check Eidur - hard working forward - check Adam - no nonsense dirty fucker who could play a bit - check Owen - ???? I'll give you Owen but the others were Pulis players. Tuncay was definitely not. I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that Tuncay was a 'make-weight' in the Huth deal. Behave yourself Pugs. Patrik Berger isn't a 'cage-dweller' is he? His best position was in what Pulis used as the Mama role. He wasn't that hard-working either. He wasn't exactly Nigel Quashie was he? Hence he never played. Gudjohnsen again was a classy, creative forward. Not going to do the Walters running around or the Mama knock-ons required. Never played. Adam - There's plenty of 'nonsense' involved with him and he's a creative midfielder, which Pulis resolutely didn't do. He got a version of the "learn our ways" speech after his debut and was then stuck either in the Mama role or on the left wing. Tuncay had a reputation (far more so than Berger) as a tireless chaser as well as a skillful footballer - he was no less a Pulis player than the rest of them. To be a 'makeweight', we'd have to go to the trouble of negotiating, selling the club to the player and agent, spending time negotiating one of the highest wages at the club and then bracing ourselves to deal with an unhappy player in the dressing room, all for a player we didn't want? And Boro, so desperate to get Tuncay off the wage bill they're holding us hostage to take him, would risk that and demand essentially £11m for Huth, who'd missed months out with a knee problem and was another hefty wage earner? Pulis never signed a player he didn't want.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 19:28:52 GMT
Berger - hard working midfielder - check Eidur - hard working forward - check Adam - no nonsense dirty fucker who could play a bit - check Owen - ???? I'll give you Owen but the others were Pulis players. Tuncay was definitely not. I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that Tuncay was a 'make-weight' in the Huth deal. Behave yourself Pugs. Patrik Berger isn't a 'cage-dweller' is he? His best position was in what Pulis used as the Mama role. He wasn't that hard-working either. He wasn't exactly Nigel Quashie was he? Hence he never played. Gudjohnsen again was a classy, creative forward. Not going to do the Walters running around or the Mama knock-ons required. Never played. Adam - There's plenty of 'nonsense' involved with him and he's a creative midfielder, which Pulis resolutely didn't do. He got a version of the "learn our ways" speech after his debut and was then stuck either in the Mama role or on the left wing. Tuncay had a reputation (far more so than Berger) as a tireless chaser as well as a skillful footballer - he was no less a Pulis player than the rest of them. To be a 'makeweight', we'd have to go to the trouble of negotiating, selling the club to the player and agent, spending time negotiating one of the highest wages at the club and then bracing ourselves to deal with an unhappy player in the dressing room, all for a player we didn't want? And Boro, so desperate to get Tuncay off the wage bill they're holding us hostage to take him, would risk that and demand essentially £11m for Huth, who'd missed months out with a knee problem and was another hefty wage earner? Pulis never signed a player he didn't want. Jack Butland.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 18, 2015 19:33:12 GMT
Behave yourself Pugs. Patrik Berger isn't a 'cage-dweller' is he? His best position was in what Pulis used as the Mama role. He wasn't that hard-working either. He wasn't exactly Nigel Quashie was he? Hence he never played. Gudjohnsen again was a classy, creative forward. Not going to do the Walters running around or the Mama knock-ons required. Never played. Adam - There's plenty of 'nonsense' involved with him and he's a creative midfielder, which Pulis resolutely didn't do. He got a version of the "learn our ways" speech after his debut and was then stuck either in the Mama role or on the left wing. Tuncay had a reputation (far more so than Berger) as a tireless chaser as well as a skillful footballer - he was no less a Pulis player than the rest of them. To be a 'makeweight', we'd have to go to the trouble of negotiating, selling the club to the player and agent, spending time negotiating one of the highest wages at the club and then bracing ourselves to deal with an unhappy player in the dressing room, all for a player we didn't want? And Boro, so desperate to get Tuncay off the wage bill they're holding us hostage to take him, would risk that and demand essentially £11m for Huth, who'd missed months out with a knee problem and was another hefty wage earner? Pulis never signed a player he didn't want. Jack Butland. You think he didn't want Butland? There's a much more obvious example from around the same time that would more clearly demonstrate I'm talking shit...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 19:36:25 GMT
You think he didn't want Butland? There's a much more obvious example from around the same time that would more clearly demonstrate I'm talking shit... Sorry, I thought it was common knowledge.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 18, 2015 19:43:02 GMT
You think he didn't want Butland? There's a much more obvious example from around the same time that would more clearly demonstrate I'm talking shit... Sorry, I thought it was common knowledge. It was rumoured but I always thought it was the kind of rumour that could be filed away with "Tuncay was only part of the Huth deal" as flagrant bollocks. Butland was exactly the kind of signing you'd expect Pulis to make.
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 18, 2015 19:45:22 GMT
For what it's worth, I remember that we went to rather a lot of effort to conceal the negotiations with Tuncay so that other clubs wouldn't pinch him off us, more effort than we would normally put in.
I got the impression that while the Butland deal was arranged by Scholes et al, TP was quite happy to go with it as it was a no brainer.
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Post by roylandstoke on Nov 18, 2015 22:23:20 GMT
You think he didn't want Butland? There's a much more obvious example from around the same time that would more clearly demonstrate I'm talking shit... Just like Sonko's "tackle" at Blackburn I have tried so very hard to wash Brek Shea from my memory, and then you go and replant it. Brek Shea; Why? Why?
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