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Post by Kjones9 on Feb 26, 2016 9:32:11 GMT
Oh and I'll think you'll find the vast majority of people on here think not getting a defender in the window was a mistake. Just the 'swallow absolutely anything since he left' mob who'll seek to defend every single decision of the club these days. Bardsley Johnson Cameron Shawcross Wilson Wolly Muniesa Pieters Tex 3 X Keepers 12 players to cover 5 squad places leaving 13 players to cover the other 6 squad places. The only people moaning about not getting a defender are either those that want to see the back of Wolly or those that have no idea how a squad works and the cost of that squad. Unless there was a top drawer 1st choice CB available in January for a decent price there was no room to bring in a defender. Or the ones that the new regime will never please...
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Post by bringmesunshine on Feb 26, 2016 10:51:15 GMT
Bardsley Johnson Cameron Shawcross Wilson Wolly Muniesa Pieters Tex 3 X Keepers 12 players to cover 5 squad places leaving 13 players to cover the other 6 squad places. The only people moaning about not getting a defender are either those that want to see the back of Wolly or those that have no idea how a squad works and the cost of that squad. Unless there was a top drawer 1st choice CB available in January for a decent price there was no room to bring in a defender. Or the ones that the new regime will never please... Are you talking about Mr Angry, Tony's bestist (not Scholes)?
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Feb 26, 2016 11:18:53 GMT
Seems to me that there are very few, if any posters who would go back to our former manager.
The vast majority, myself, Momo, Malcolm and Mutts in the last few pages have all acknowledged the brilliant job MH has done, the better football to watch, the fantastic players and better team we now have. We've also praised PC for such an astute and brave change of direction for the club.
But we also the appreciate the job Tony did in getting us to that point. What is frustrating and hard to understand is the hardcore few who cannot acknowledge anything good about TP, or even admit to enjoying those fantastic years as we went from the Championship to an established Premier League Club.
That's what a lot of supporters can't understand.
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Post by jstoke7 on Feb 26, 2016 12:01:11 GMT
What is frustrating and hard to understand is the hardcore few who cannot acknowledge anything good about TP, or even admit to enjoying those fantastic years as we went from the Championship to an established Premier League Club. That's what a lot of supporters can't understand. People can't help how they feel about his style of play - they don't choose to hate it.
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Post by kevan45 on Feb 26, 2016 13:57:58 GMT
What is frustrating and hard to understand is the hardcore few who cannot acknowledge anything good about TP, or even admit to enjoying those fantastic years as we went from the Championship to an established Premier League Club. That's what a lot of supporters can't understand. People can't help how they feel about his style of play - they don't choose to hate it. Alan Ball Chris Kamara Joe Jordan Nowt more to say
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Feb 26, 2016 15:34:12 GMT
What is frustrating and hard to understand is the hardcore few who cannot acknowledge anything good about TP, or even admit to enjoying those fantastic years as we went from the Championship to an established Premier League Club. That's what a lot of supporters can't understand. People can't help how they feel about his style of play - they don't choose to hate it. I know from previous debates that you prefer pretty football to our football club. It begs the question, why do you support Stoke City? And if you do support Stoke City, surely you take some pride and enjoyment in our promotion, return to the top tier, our first FA Cup final and return to European competition?
If not, why not go forth up the Camp Nou?
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 27, 2016 7:57:59 GMT
How can you be certain we wouldn't have beaten Citeh or United in the semi? If we'd played as we did v Bolton we could quite easily have beaten either of them. Completely agree with that Foxey. Problem is we wouldn't have. The laundry women would have been doing overtime washing Tone's underwear and we would have played the waiting for something to drop game. Sadly that was the way it was and is with Tone which I suspect we both know. It is a frustration that many have with the guy I guess. Perhaps. But we turned over clubs like Citeh, Arsenal etc under Pulis so I'm not so sure we'd have been certs to lose if we had played Citeh or United in the semi. It was probably TPs most expansive footballing period AND we had a virtually fully fit squad, unlike the final where, deapite injuries and a cagey approach, we weren't a million miles off Citeh.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 27, 2016 8:02:23 GMT
Completely agree with that Foxey. Problem is we wouldn't have. The laundry women would have been doing overtime washing Tone's underwear and we would have played the waiting for something to drop game. Sadly that was the way it was and is with Tone which I suspect we both know. It is a frustration that many have with the guy I guess. Perhaps. But we turned over clubs like Citeh, Arsenal etc under Pulis so I'm not so sure we'd have been certs to lose if we had played Citeh or United in the semi. It was probably TPs most expansive footballing period AND we had a virtually fully fit squad, unlike the final where, deapite injuries and a cagey approach, we weren't a million miles off Citeh. We turned them over on a small pitch with a hostile home crowd. Away from the Brit, we played the badge and rolled over to have our bellies tickled just like we did in the final. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it!
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 27, 2016 8:11:09 GMT
Perhaps. But we turned over clubs like Citeh, Arsenal etc under Pulis so I'm not so sure we'd have been certs to lose if we had played Citeh or United in the semi. It was probably TPs most expansive footballing period AND we had a virtually fully fit squad, unlike the final where, deapite injuries and a cagey approach, we weren't a million miles off Citeh. We turned them over on a small pitch with a hostile home crowd. Away from the Brit, we played the badge and rolled over to have our bellies tickled just like we did in the final. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it! Like everyone "knew" we'd out-football Bolton on the massive expanse of Wembley winning by 5 glorious goals to one. And in the process SJW would score arguably the finest goal ever scored by a Stoke player at Wembley. Football throws up surprises all the time. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it!!!!
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Post by werrington on Feb 27, 2016 8:36:52 GMT
We turned them over on a small pitch with a hostile home crowd. Away from the Brit, we played the badge and rolled over to have our bellies tickled just like we did in the final. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it! Like everyone "knew" we'd out-football Bolton on the massive expanse of Wembley winning by 5 glorious goals to one. And in the process SJW would score arguably the finest goal ever scored by a Stoke player at Wembley. Football throws up surprises all the time. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it!!!! And then he shit himself with expectation and we got battered 5-0 by a Bolton side who'd been conceding home goals for fun just a few months later You know it,I kno.....well you get the rest foxy
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 27, 2016 8:37:29 GMT
Seems to me that there are very few, if any posters who would go back to our former manager. The vast majority, myself, Momo, Malcolm and Mutts in the last few pages have all acknowledged the brilliant job MH has done, the better football to watch, the fantastic players and better team we now have. We've also praised PC for such an astute and brave change of direction for the club. But we also the appreciate the job Tony did in getting us to that point. What is frustrating and hard to understand is the hardcore few who cannot acknowledge anything good about TP, or even admit to enjoying those fantastic years as we went from the Championship to an established Premier League Club. That's what a lot of supporters can't understand. There's no doubt he did a great job and deserves huge credit for what he bought to the club on and off the pitch with his great charity work. He was the right man at the right time. I think the biggest problem was he stayed 2 seasons too long and that the last 2 seasons eradicated a lot of the great early work he did. I think he's proved since he should only ever be a firefighter rather than a long term solution at a club. Hes so stubborn and at WBA he's become a caracature of himself which is a shame as when we had Matty, Pennant and Ric firing he proved he could put a team out that were easy on the eye. During the last 2 seasons we were dreadful to watch and the way we played did the clubs image a lot of damage as the football was so dreadful to watch. I'm convinced that if MH didn't come when he did things would have got very unpleasant. We now have a team with talent bordering on world class with amazing potential which by keeping us up TP has given MH the opportunity to build. But let's not kid ourself if TP had stayed I'm pretty sure we'd be having to put up with McClean, Dawson and alike. I think the way WBA played against us this season with there cheating and gamesmanship he's lot of respect from the fans and that's understandable. For me I think Sir Peter's the man that deserves the most credit.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 27, 2016 10:29:50 GMT
We turned them over on a small pitch with a hostile home crowd. Away from the Brit, we played the badge and rolled over to have our bellies tickled just like we did in the final. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it! Like everyone "knew" we'd out-football Bolton on the massive expanse of Wembley winning by 5 glorious goals to one. And in the process SJW would score arguably the finest goal ever scored by a Stoke player at Wembley. Football throws up surprises all the time. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it!!!! The semi final was brilliant, no doubt. It was against a team we knew we could beat. The cup final, and Valencia, was every bit the polar opposite. Whilst many were congratulating themselves on getting there, for me its just a big story of "what ifs". Each to their own I suppose.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 27, 2016 10:41:25 GMT
Perhaps. But we turned over clubs like Citeh, Arsenal etc under Pulis so I'm not so sure we'd have been certs to lose if we had played Citeh or United in the semi. It was probably TPs most expansive footballing period AND we had a virtually fully fit squad, unlike the final where, deapite injuries and a cagey approach, we weren't a million miles off Citeh. We turned them over on a small pitch with a hostile home crowd. Away from the Brit, we played the badge and rolled over to have our bellies tickled just like we did in the final. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it! I think he approached the cup games a bit differently. Away at Man City the year before, he started with Ric, Tuncay and Etherington, all in the same team. He'd never have done that in the league! I think the idea was that in the league, a point away from home is valuable and worth sticking to, but in the cup it's shit or bust. I think we would have gone for it in the semi, and the team was just turning into a fearless wrecking ball. The team that dismantled Newcastle and Bolton, before going on to systematically wipe out Arsenal, could take on anybody and win.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 27, 2016 10:49:49 GMT
We turned them over on a small pitch with a hostile home crowd. Away from the Brit, we played the badge and rolled over to have our bellies tickled just like we did in the final. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it! I think he approached the cup games a bit differently. Away at Man City the year before, he started with Ric, Tuncay and Etherington, all in the same team. He'd never have done that in the league! I think the idea was that in the league, a point away from home is valuable and worth sticking to, but in the cup it's shit or bust. I think we would have gone for it in the semi, and the team was just turning into a fearless wrecking ball. The team that dismantled Newcastle and Bolton, before going on to systematically wipe out Arsenal, could take on anybody and win. I agree which makes the cup final even more disappointing because we didn't "go for it". On the biggest stage of us, he reverted to type! It is all the more infuriating because we had glimpses of what that team could do against anyone, home or away, yet the manager held the players back because he was either scared of his own shadow, obsessed with boring the pants off everyone, concerned only with his survival bonus and felt going for it in cup games gave us the best chance of being eliminated or a combination of all of those things. As I posted in the villa match day thread we, as a group of supporters, had far more faith in that group of players than the manager had. We must always remember that clubs such as us can't go to places like Fulham expecting to field two wingers and fuller if we want to get a result!
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Post by Gods on Feb 27, 2016 11:04:34 GMT
I honestly think there were quite a few bruised egos on here from folks who said after Stoke he would never get another job in the top flight again.
When he then went to Palace and waltzed off with the Premier League "Manager of the season award" 6 months later it just struck a raw nerve with some people and who likes looking silly right?
I am sure once he is out of the game and no longer plying his trade at any of our competitors he will enjoy the full recognition due from all.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 27, 2016 11:05:14 GMT
I think he approached the cup games a bit differently. Away at Man City the year before, he started with Ric, Tuncay and Etherington, all in the same team. He'd never have done that in the league! I think the idea was that in the league, a point away from home is valuable and worth sticking to, but in the cup it's shit or bust. I think we would have gone for it in the semi, and the team was just turning into a fearless wrecking ball. The team that dismantled Newcastle and Bolton, before going on to systematically wipe out Arsenal, could take on anybody and win. I agree which makes the cup final even more disappointing because we didn't "go for it". On the biggest stage of us, he reverted to type! It is all the more infuriating because we had glimpses of what that team could do against anyone, home or away, yet the manager held the players back because he was either scared of his own shadow, obsessed with boring the pants off everyone, concerned only with his survival bonus and felt going for it in cup games gave us the best chance of being eliminated or a combination of all of those things. As I posted in the villa match day thread we, as a group of supporters, had far more faith in that group of players than the manager had. We must always remember that clubs such as us can't go to places like Fulham expecting to field two wingers and fuller if we want to get a result! I think the injuries were the story of the final. Etherington clearly wasn't quite right and they made sure that they nobbled Pennant early on. We seemed to freeze a bit as well, everything that we tried was just slightly over hit or misdirected in the first half. I agree about the rest. The Fulham comments were stupid. I couldn't imagine Hughes doing that.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 27, 2016 11:25:48 GMT
I agree which makes the cup final even more disappointing because we didn't "go for it". On the biggest stage of us, he reverted to type! It is all the more infuriating because we had glimpses of what that team could do against anyone, home or away, yet the manager held the players back because he was either scared of his own shadow, obsessed with boring the pants off everyone, concerned only with his survival bonus and felt going for it in cup games gave us the best chance of being eliminated or a combination of all of those things. As I posted in the villa match day thread we, as a group of supporters, had far more faith in that group of players than the manager had. We must always remember that clubs such as us can't go to places like Fulham expecting to field two wingers and fuller if we want to get a result! I think the injuries were the story of the final. Etherington clearly wasn't quite right and they made sure that they nobbled Pennant early on. We seemed to freeze a bit as well, everything that we tried was just slightly over hit or misdirected in the first half. I agree about the rest. The Fulham comments were stupid. I couldn't imagine Hughes doing that. I thought that at the time as well. I'm not so sure now. The injuries gave him and us the perfect excuse to be the plucky underdogs/losers.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 27, 2016 11:35:54 GMT
I think the injuries were the story of the final. Etherington clearly wasn't quite right and they made sure that they nobbled Pennant early on. We seemed to freeze a bit as well, everything that we tried was just slightly over hit or misdirected in the first half. I agree about the rest. The Fulham comments were stupid. I couldn't imagine Hughes doing that. I thought that at the time as well. I'm not so sure now. The injuries gave him and us the perfect excuse to be the plucky underdogs/losers. Which, to this day, suits a fair few supporters down to the ground.
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Post by mozzer on Feb 27, 2016 12:16:32 GMT
I will always be grateful for what TP did for us and the position that he left the club on his departure, I have to admit that MH tenure has been fantastic in respect of what we are being entertained by the players that he signed and the system that he plays, given the choice I would never go back to the TP days before MH took over but as much as it hurts some people on here you still have to admit to the fact even if you like it or not that TP..........
Won more than MH has since he joined the club such as ....... Promotion, A major domestic competition semi final An FA cup Wembley appearance the knock out stages of a European competition.
I would also say (cant be arsed to look it up so I may be wrong)that TP won more games in front of the main majority of Stoke fans with his home record, yes MH is winning more away but the % of people who watch away is lower than the home.
For me TP did a great job up until the last two years, he never really replaced the goal scoring success of Rik, or replaced the magic of Matty, Lawrence or Pennant, he let him self down with the stubbornness of his constant shit team selection of players only fit for the Championship such as Ryan Shotton and his refusal to play with flair rather than safety, I still don't get annoyed with his usual away tactics as I only attend 3-4 away games a season so the drabness was no great concern, I still dont get pissed about the Valencia game and the side he played because at that time the away performance was as good as I had seen Stoke play that year no matter who made the team.......plus I had consumed that much alcohol and had such a good time with the lads that even if he had stolen the Real Madrid first team and won I still would not have enjoyed it anymore.
1981-83 - Richard J. Barker 1983-85 - William Asprey 1985-89 - Michael Dennis Mills, MBE 1989-91 - Alan James Ball, MBE 1991 - Graham Charles Paddon (caretaker) lou,lou skip to ma lou 1993 - Chic Bates (caretaker) 1993-94 - Joe Jordan 1994 - Richard 'Asa' Hartford (caretaker) lou,lou skip to ma lou 1997-98 - Philip Desmond 'Chic' Bates 1998 - Christopher Kamara 1998 - William Alan Durban (caretaker) 1998-99 - Brian Little 1999 - Gary John Megson 1999-2002 - Gudjon Thordarson 2002 - Stephen John Cotterill 2002 - David Kevan (caretaker) 2002-05 - Anthony Richard Pulis 2005-06 - Jan 'Johan' Boskamp 2006-13 - Anthony Richard Pulis
And people ridicule TP when you look at that line up of under achievers with the amount of success we have NOT had over the years before he arrived.
1994-97 - Luigi Macari........................I left Lou out because this was my favourite time as a Stoke fan and I still feel that he was special and gave us success in the lower leagues with some fantastic memories.
Overall TP was a perfect fit for Stoke at that time, he gave us what we all craved and what we all got, the decision to move him on was the right one and how things have panned out it is unbelievable but thank you TP, you revived interest and support in my team and my city and no one in the modern history of the club has come any closer to what was achieved during that time period....although the last two years were the most bored I have ever been the good times outweighed the bad.
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Post by march4 on Feb 27, 2016 12:19:31 GMT
I honestly think there were quite a few bruised egos on here from folks who said after Stoke he would never get another job in the top flight again. When he then went to Palace and waltzed off with the Premier League "Manager of the season award" 6 months later it just struck a raw nerve with some people and who likes looking silly right? I am sure once he is out of the game and no longer plying his trade at any of our competitors he will enjoy the full recognition due from all. And his knighthood is now becoming overdue.
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Post by Gods on Feb 27, 2016 12:25:12 GMT
I honestly think there were quite a few bruised egos on here from folks who said after Stoke he would never get another job in the top flight again. When he then went to Palace and waltzed off with the Premier League "Manager of the season award" 6 months later it just struck a raw nerve with some people and who likes looking silly right? I am sure once he is out of the game and no longer plying his trade at any of our competitors he will enjoy the full recognition due from all. And his knighthood is now becoming overdue. I think that is very possible, but not while he is still in the game. And when and if it does it will be at least as much for his charity work for the DLT as anything he did within the game but come it likely will.
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Post by Kjones9 on Feb 27, 2016 12:28:18 GMT
I honestly think there were quite a few bruised egos on here from folks who said after Stoke he would never get another job in the top flight again. When he then went to Palace and waltzed off with the Premier League "Manager of the season award" 6 months later it just struck a raw nerve with some people and who likes looking silly right? I am sure once he is out of the game and no longer plying his trade at any of our competitors he will enjoy the full recognition due from all. Yep. Just like the silly ones and the bruised egos that said we'd implode if he left. Funnily enough it's the very same ones that the new regime can never please.
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Post by kerouac on Feb 27, 2016 12:53:05 GMT
From what I've seen of his teams since,they are much more pleasing on the eye than we ever were bar the odd game when we played the Pulis brand that excites.I put that down to the fact that the more "footballing" players in these squads were already there.
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Post by Gods on Feb 27, 2016 14:54:49 GMT
I honestly think there were quite a few bruised egos on here from folks who said after Stoke he would never get another job in the top flight again. When he then went to Palace and waltzed off with the Premier League "Manager of the season award" 6 months later it just struck a raw nerve with some people and who likes looking silly right? I am sure once he is out of the game and no longer plying his trade at any of our competitors he will enjoy the full recognition due from all. Yep. Just like the silly ones and the bruised egos that said we'd implode if he left. Funnily enough it's the very same ones that the new regime can never please. I don't know anyone who isn't delighted with the progress overall and on balance under the new regime? Respect for the past and hope for the future.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 18:04:38 GMT
Loves a former club, tone. Ruining Palace 3-0 before half time.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Mar 1, 2016 22:15:34 GMT
Amazingly they've now taken 7 points out of the last 9 when just a couple of weeks a go they wanted him out.He always seems to pull results out of the bag when needed
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 1, 2016 22:36:56 GMT
Amazingly they've now taken 7 points out of the last 9 when just a couple of weeks a go they wanted him out.He always seems to pull results out of the bag when needed It's nowt to do with results, it's the anti-football they want rid of.
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Post by misterj on Mar 2, 2016 10:16:25 GMT
On subject of TP...............talking to a guy the other day who used to go to school with him in Newport, South Wales..........he says whether playing schools football or schools rugby, whenever TP was on the field everyone KNEW who was in control, he ordered everyone around, led by example (I presume he meant getting stuck in) and was snapped up by Newport County FC largely because of this massive personality. Hughes at times is the polar opposite, I just think it's good we got to experience both styles ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 11:06:41 GMT
On subject of TP...............talking to a guy the other day who used to go to school with him in Newport, South Wales..........he says whether playing schools football or schools rugby, whenever TP was on the field everyone KNEW who was in control, he ordered everyone around, led by example (I presume he meant getting stuck in) and was snapped up by Newport County FC largely because of this massive personality. Hughes at times is the polar opposite, I just think it's good we got to experience both styles ? Control freak. Quelle surprise.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 11:44:57 GMT
I honestly think there were quite a few bruised egos on here from folks who said after Stoke he would never get another job in the top flight again. When he then went to Palace and waltzed off with the Premier League "Manager of the season award" 6 months later it just struck a raw nerve with some people and who likes looking silly right? I am sure once he is out of the game and no longer plying his trade at any of our competitors he will enjoy the full recognition due from all. You're right, nobody like looking silly do they? How's your prediction for relegation going God's? You know, the one you made after about 4 games into this season?
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