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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 15:57:53 GMT
We've not quite settled since really, never been consistent in our performances and it's quite clear we aren't yet aware of the best way to set up.
Last season it was more or less consistently a 4-2-3-1 or a very similar 4-1-4-1 on occasion but now we are chopping and changing between 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3 and the false 9... Within that we are seeing players being moved all over the place; Diouf out wide, Afellay playing seemingly anywhere and Bojangles in some sort of limbo between a striker and an attacking mid.
I know this doesn't really help much, but does anyone else feel like this disjointed feeling of the squad is almost entirely down to the loss of N'Zonzi? I'm hopeful Imbula will be even better but now for me I think I'd like to see Hughes refer back to the setup of last season with Imbula playing a slight adaptation of the Fonz role from last season. Most importantly I'd like to see us stick to a balanced formation where everyone knows their roles, Saturday's game was a confusion filled mess.
Joselu
Arnautovic-Bojan-Shaqiri
Imbula-Cameron
Pieters-Wollschied-Shawcross-Johnson
Butland
If and when Whelan finds some form I'd put him back in but right now I think he could use a rest. We need some stability, more then anything N'Zonzi controlled games and gave us consistency and stability and honestly since he has gone we have lacked both quite dearly.
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Post by chrisparker on Feb 7, 2016 16:39:37 GMT
Yes but with all due respect to Nzonzi, he turned in a lot of shit performances as well. And his attitude towards the club always irked me. Our best performances under Hughes (home & away) have both come this season (Man City & Southampton).
The team you've set up will get thumped every week. Imbula isn't the sort of player who'll track his runners, neither does Cameron & the front 4 don't even bother to defend.
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Post by kustokie on Feb 7, 2016 16:57:38 GMT
I agree that a consistent line up is ideal; however, injuries, loss of form and need for rest are inevitable. What we need is Plan A, Plan B and maybe Plan C and all the players in the squad knowing what their role or roles are. Yesterday was a mess because nobody seemed to know what the plan was. Consequently, they stood around scratching their collective arse. We saw this at the begining of the season and was sorted out for a while. The confusion and disorganization seems to coincide with the loss of Shawcross. Until now I was unwilling to accept that the loss of one player could make such a difference. I begining to realize (I'm slow on the uptake, I guess) that Shawcross isn't just the first fiddle he's also conducting the orchestra!
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Post by Rose City Potter on Feb 7, 2016 17:11:11 GMT
The team you've set up will get thumped every week. Imbula isn't the sort of player who'll track his runners, neither does Cameron & the front 4 don't even bother to defend. I agree to the extent that cameron will have to put a lot of effort in to become good in that position but I do think that is exactly where he should be playing. I cant see how you can say that about Imbula after 90 mins in the shirt - give the lad chance to settle in and see what he can and cant do. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 18:03:08 GMT
Nah. N'Zonzi was a shit mardarse that slowed play down and was carried by Whelan.
Fuckwits.
Imbula gives me serious hope, I tell you.
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Post by chrisparker on Feb 7, 2016 18:03:48 GMT
The team you've set up will get thumped every week. Imbula isn't the sort of player who'll track his runners, neither does Cameron & the front 4 don't even bother to defend. I agree to the extent that cameron will have to put a lot of effort in to become good in that position but I do think that is exactly where he should be playing. I cant see how you can say that about Imbula after 90 mins in the shirt - give the lad chance to settle in and see what he can and cant do. Imbula looks like an Nzonzi-esque player, who'll drive forward with the ball. Nzonzi never tracked his runners either. |
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Post by adamsson on Feb 7, 2016 18:08:24 GMT
With Shawcross in the side we didn't miss N'zonzi at all. Without him we miss him not N'zonzi.
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Post by lordb on Feb 7, 2016 18:37:59 GMT
Imbula with Nzonzi and Bojan.
That would excellent
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Post by steve66 on Feb 7, 2016 21:10:08 GMT
We've not quite settled since really, never been consistent in our performances and it's quite clear we aren't yet aware of the best way to set up. Last season it was more or less consistently a 4-2-3-1 or a very similar 4-1-4-1 on occasion but now we are chopping and changing between 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3 and the false 9... Within that we are seeing players being moved all over the place; Diouf out wide, Afellay playing seemingly anywhere and Bojangles in some sort of limbo between a striker and an attacking mid. I know this doesn't really help much, but does anyone else feel like this disjointed feeling of the squad is almost entirely down to the loss of N'Zonzi? I'm hopeful Imbula will be even better but now for me I think I'd like to see Hughes refer back to the setup of last season with Imbula playing a slight adaptation of the Fonz role from last season. Most importantly I'd like to see us stick to a balanced formation where everyone knows their roles, Saturday's game was a confusion filled mess.           Joselu    Arnautovic-Bojan-Shaqiri       Imbula-Cameron Pieters-Wollschied-Shawcross-Johnson          Butland If and when Whelan finds some form I'd put him back in but right now I think he could use a rest. We need some stability, more then anything N'Zonzi controlled games and gave us consistency and stability and honestly since he has gone we have lacked both quite dearly. Yes of course with Nzonzi playing we beat citeh utd, Chelsea (twice) reached a semi final sat in 11th place in early February................................,.. |
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 7, 2016 22:00:30 GMT
Nzonzi was a fundamental player for us but I have great hope that we've finally got the proper rellacement with imbula
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Feb 7, 2016 22:18:52 GMT
Like a lot of our players nzonzi played when it suited him , usually in big games , I felt we missed him in the first leg of the semi and v Arsenal at home , hopefully this new lad can do a job there in time he did OK yesterday
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Post by alster on Feb 7, 2016 22:23:32 GMT
Nah. N'Zonzi was a shit mardarse that slowed play down and was carried by Whelan. Fuckwits. Imbula gives me serious hope, I tell you. Your post was not wasted, it made me laugh at least. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 22:27:53 GMT
If things don't work out for NZonzi at Sevilla I'd take him back, he would definitely improve our team.
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Feb 7, 2016 22:31:23 GMT
Yes but with all due respect to Nzonzi, he turned in a lot of shit performances as well. And his attitude towards the club always irked me. Our best performances under Hughes (home & away) have both come this season (Man City & Southampton). The team you've set up will get thumped every week. Imbula isn't the sort of player who'll track his runners, neither does Cameron & the front 4 don't even bother to defend.
This ^^^^^^^^^
More often than not, N'zonzi was a red card waiting to happen too; he would spit the dummy when dispossessed of the ball, and chase after the other player with murder in his eyes at times
And don't start me on his attitude about being here; how many years in a row did he ask for a transfer??
Not commenting on the above team selection (I admit to my overall lack of knowledge), but I DO like the look of Imbula, just from a few of his touches the other day |
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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 7, 2016 22:36:14 GMT
Well no. But nowts been the same since Ricardo and Liam left us either
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Post by jeycov on Feb 7, 2016 22:42:11 GMT
We miss N'Zonzi being available at every throw in, players confident to get the ball to him. Imbula has the potential to make a great impression in the team, like all new players he will need time and patience
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 8, 2016 0:46:52 GMT
Nah. N'Zonzi was a shit mardarse that slowed play down and was carried by Whelan. Fuckwits. Imbula gives me serious hope, I tell you. Well put(if you were taking the piss with the first bit). I said last week that we flowed with Zonze and we hadn't done so with regularity since. I honestly think that Imbula will be better than N'Zonzi, though. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 8:44:54 GMT
Nah. N'Zonzi was a shit mardarse that slowed play down and was carried by Whelan. Fuckwits. Imbula gives me serious hope, I tell you. Well put(if you were taking the piss with the first bit). I said last week that we flowed with Zonze and we hadn't done so with regularity since. I honestly think that Imbula will be better than N'Zonzi, though. I hope so, it's definitely a gap we've had in the side and his debut was very promising. |
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Post by Northy on Mar 11, 2016 13:19:31 GMT
I see he was sent off in their Europa match at Bilbao last night
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Post by crowey on Mar 11, 2016 13:22:25 GMT
.... True to form
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 11, 2016 13:26:48 GMT
It really was for fuck all though.
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Post by TinkerT on Mar 11, 2016 13:27:57 GMT
Even with imbula I still miss nzonzi. His defensive work was better than imbula but imbula has looked better going forward. Time will tell but he's started great. Don't know what it is though I just think Whelan looked better alongside nzonzi also
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Post by dhes2113 on Mar 11, 2016 13:30:18 GMT
onwards and upwards. He's gone, let's concentrate on the future, because let's be honest, it looks very promising
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Post by crowey on Mar 11, 2016 13:41:20 GMT
.... Imbula is the future. We just need to sort out the Whelan replacement eventually
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Post by silverdollar on Mar 11, 2016 13:54:37 GMT
When you are a good manager like Hughes it is always important to remember that when you have good players and you are playing well that is the time to get even better players and so the team you now consider our best one may well have to be changed for two or three new players by next season. Onwards and upwards!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 11, 2016 14:06:25 GMT
Even with imbula I still miss nzonzi. His defensive work was better than imbula but imbula has looked better going forward. Time will tell but he's started great. Don't know what it is though I just think Whelan looked better alongside nzonzi also Early days and the language barrier will makes things a little difficult, I'm pretty sure next season we'll see a more balanced midfield. |
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Post by ukcstokie on Mar 11, 2016 14:11:41 GMT
I still find it amazing how some judge Nzonzi by his career at Stoke, and some judge him by his last few games with us.
A good player, but nostalgically remembered.
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Post by TinkerT on Mar 11, 2016 14:18:52 GMT
I still find it amazing how some judge Nzonzi by his career at Stoke, and some judge him by his last few games with us. A good player, but nostalgically remembered. "Good"? Fucking hell his last season he was a absolute beast, we knew he had it in him and he delivered, every game he bossed our midfield |
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Post by ukcstokie on Mar 11, 2016 14:23:55 GMT
I still find it amazing how some judge Nzonzi by his career at Stoke, and some judge him by his last few games with us. A good player, but nostalgically remembered. "Good"? Fucking hell his last season he was a absolute beast, we knew he had it in him and he delivered, every game he bossed our midfield Just not true. Good some of the time. Average much of the time. Excellent the last few games (vs. Liverpool was probably the best midfield performance I've seen since Huddy). But he didn't boss our midfield all season. Not even close. Just look at the Oatcake player ratings for last season. I don't always agree with them but Smudge and co. don't get it too far wrong. He came third in the player of the season. |
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Post by thischarmingmanc on Mar 11, 2016 14:24:34 GMT
Rose tinted specs ..... Just not true. "Good"? Fucking hell his last season he was a absolute beast, we knew he had it in him and he delivered, every game he bossed our midfield |
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