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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 14:29:02 GMT
I still find it amazing how some judge Nzonzi by his career at Stoke, and some judge him by his last few games with us. A good player, but nostalgically remembered. Such bollocks, N'Zonzi was an awesome player for us throughout Hughes' tenure. The few games he missed we looked shit nearly every time, I'd go as far as to say Imbula looks like an upgrade right now but I don't buy for a second that the way he was viewed was purely nostalgic. He controlled games, bossed games and was easily our most influential player on the pitch.
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Post by ohbottom on Mar 11, 2016 14:34:07 GMT
I still find it amazing how some judge Nzonzi by his career at Stoke, and some judge him by his last few games with us. A good player, but nostalgically remembered. I judge him by his entire career at Stoke. First time I saw him play for us I thought he was the best MF we'd had since Huddy. I never saw anything to change my mind. So many of our fans couldn't seem to see past the Gallic moodiness and the fact that the way we played shackled him. It was only after Hughes came that we started to see him at his best, but many fans took a good season and more before starting to reluctantly accept the incontrovertible evidence of their own eyes. I think Imbula is an upgrade, by the way. Just my opinion, like....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 14:39:05 GMT
I still find it amazing how some judge Nzonzi by his career at Stoke, and some judge him by his last few games with us. A good player, but nostalgically remembered. Such bollocks, N'Zonzi was an awesome player for us throughout Hughes' tenure. The few games he missed we looked shit nearly every time, I'd go as far as to say Imbula looks like an upgrade right now but I don't buy for a second that the way he was viewed was purely nostalgic. He controlled games, bossed games and was easily our most influential player on the pitch. How many away games did he boss? I don't remember many.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 14:39:14 GMT
I still find it amazing how some judge Nzonzi by his career at Stoke, and some judge him by his last few games with us. A good player, but nostalgically remembered. I judge him by his entire career at Stoke. First time I saw him play for us I thought he was the best MF we'd had since Huddy. I never saw anything to change my mind. So many of our fans couldn't seem to see past the Gallic moodiness and the fact that the way we played shackled him. It was only after Hughes came that we started to see him at his best, but many fans took a good season and more before starting to reluctantly accept the incontrovertible evidence of their own eyes. I think Imbula is an upgrade, by the way. Just my opinion, like.... Some posters on here think if a player doesn't score loads of goals and get loads of assists then they're worthless.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 14:40:28 GMT
Such bollocks, N'Zonzi was an awesome player for us throughout Hughes' tenure. The few games he missed we looked shit nearly every time, I'd go as far as to say Imbula looks like an upgrade right now but I don't buy for a second that the way he was viewed was purely nostalgic. He controlled games, bossed games and was easily our most influential player on the pitch. How many away games did he boss? I don't remember many. You've either got a shit memory or you were watching the wrong team then imo! Controlled everything, never lost the ball and dictated the speed of play expertly. Ran the fucking show week in week out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 14:44:35 GMT
How many away games did he boss? I don't remember many. You've either got a shit memory or you were watching the wrong team then imo! Controlled everything, never lost the ball and dictated the speed of play expertly. Ran the fucking show week in week out. Name them then. And no he didn't run the show week in week out at all. He was a superb player for us but he had one consistent season (his last),he took a long time to look the player he looked at the back end of last season. Straight away I can tell that Imbula is in a different league to Nzonzi as a central midfielder.
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Post by ukcstokie on Mar 11, 2016 14:54:10 GMT
I still find it amazing how some judge Nzonzi by his career at Stoke, and some judge him by his last few games with us. A good player, but nostalgically remembered. Such bollocks, N'Zonzi was an awesome player for us throughout Hughes' tenure. The few games he missed we looked shit nearly every time, I'd go as far as to say Imbula looks like an upgrade right now but I don't buy for a second that the way he was viewed was purely nostalgic. He controlled games, bossed games and was easily our most influential player on the pitch. You do know that Hughes' tenure was more than the last few games of last season don't you?
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 11, 2016 14:54:51 GMT
I still find it amazing how some judge Nzonzi by his career at Stoke, and some judge him by his last few games with us. A good player, but nostalgically remembered. I judge him by his entire career at Stoke. First time I saw him play for us I thought he was the best MF we'd had since Huddy. I never saw anything to change my mind. So many of our fans couldn't seem to see past the Gallic moodiness and the fact that the way we played shackled him. It was only after Hughes came that we started to see him at his best, but many fans took a good season and more before starting to reluctantly accept the incontrovertible evidence of their own eyes. I think Imbula is an upgrade, by the way. Just my opinion, like.... I thought he was a great player when ,he played at our place for Blackburn, even though he elbowed our Glen during that game you could see he was a great player. I was over the moon when he joined us and was a great signing.Not rose tinted glasses at all but when N'zonzi had a bad game so did the team.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 11, 2016 14:55:41 GMT
I love how some make massive conclusions based on supposed mind reading skills.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 14:59:29 GMT
You've either got a shit memory or you were watching the wrong team then imo! Controlled everything, never lost the ball and dictated the speed of play expertly. Ran the fucking show week in week out. Name them then. And no he didn't run the show week in week out at all. He was a superb player for us but he had one consistent season (his last),he took a long time to look the player he looked at the back end of last season. Straight away I can tell that Imbula is in a different league to Nzonzi as a central midfielder. Hahaa name the ones he wasn't? Never disagreed with the latter, but as for the rest you're just re-hashing exactly what you already said so I really don't see the point in carrying this on.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 11, 2016 14:59:32 GMT
Nzonzi = Overrated shit Imbula = Magician at work
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Post by mattface on Mar 11, 2016 15:00:28 GMT
How many away games did he boss? I don't remember many. You've either got a shit memory or you were watching the wrong team then imo! Controlled everything, never lost the ball and dictated the speed of play expertly. Ran the fucking show week in week out. Opinions are great things. For me he was anonymous as often as he was influential. Good player yes, but not irreplaceable. We have done as well this season without him as we did last season with him. Arguably we have replaced him with better in Imbula.
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Post by ukcstokie on Mar 11, 2016 15:00:51 GMT
How many away games did he boss? I don't remember many. You've either got a shit memory or you were watching the wrong team then imo! Controlled everything, never lost the ball and dictated the speed of play expertly. Ran the fucking show week in week out. So just how come when the offspring of Zidane and Platini left us, we didn't go into complete free-fall - given he was replaced my MVG and Charlie Adam?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 15:03:08 GMT
You've either got a shit memory or you were watching the wrong team then imo! Controlled everything, never lost the ball and dictated the speed of play expertly. Ran the fucking show week in week out. So just how come when the offspring of Zidane and Platini left us, we didn't go into complete free-fall - given he was replaced my MVG and Charlie Adam? Let's not be so childish, I never suggested we were a one man team. Since he left though we have been far more inconsistent, struggling to dominate games and dictate the tempo and I can't think of many where we were clearly the better team for 90 mins. We just haven't looked as good or as fluid since he left, not until Imbula came in.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 11, 2016 15:08:27 GMT
N'Zonzi is gone and that's that. He was a good player for us, we got three or so good years out of him and made a few quid as well. Let it go.
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Post by ukcstokie on Mar 11, 2016 15:09:06 GMT
So just how come when the offspring of Zidane and Platini left us, we didn't go into complete free-fall - given he was replaced my MVG and Charlie Adam? Let's not be so childish, I never suggested we were a one man team. Since he left though we have been far more inconsistent, struggling to dominate games and dictate the tempo and I can't think of many where we were clearly the better team for 90 mins. We just haven't looked as good or as fluid since he left, not until Imbula came in. But you pretty much said he was a one man team: "Controlled everything, never lost the ball and dictated the speed of play expertly.
Ran the fucking show week in week out. "We were never consistant while Nzonzi was here. We've had good runs and then looked shit. Still do. Nzonzi was decent. Sometime brilliant. But he wasn't the world beater your describing. If he was, why didn't Man Ure, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City come in for him? They watched him up close week after week.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Mar 11, 2016 15:12:32 GMT
So just how come when the offspring of Zidane and Platini left us, we didn't go into complete free-fall - given he was replaced my MVG and Charlie Adam? Let's not be so childish, I never suggested we were a one man team. Since he left though we have been far more inconsistent, struggling to dominate games and dictate the tempo and I can't think of many where we were clearly the better team for 90 mins. We just haven't looked as good or as fluid since he left, not until Imbula came in. How many games did we really dominate with him playing? Don't get me wrong,I was a big fan but be realistic!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 15:22:06 GMT
Name them then. And no he didn't run the show week in week out at all. He was a superb player for us but he had one consistent season (his last),he took a long time to look the player he looked at the back end of last season. Straight away I can tell that Imbula is in a different league to Nzonzi as a central midfielder. Hahaa name the ones he wasn't? Never disagreed with the latter, but as for the rest you're just re-hashing exactly what you already said so I really don't see the point in carrying this on. You were the one who came out with the ridiculous outlandish statement of "he ran the show week in week out" were you not? So I asked you to name the away games that he did just that. No surprise really that you couldn't name any because they were very few and far between.
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Post by heworksardtho on Mar 11, 2016 15:39:08 GMT
Good player for us but what a sulky twat he was sometimes
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Post by ukcstokie on Mar 11, 2016 15:53:47 GMT
I judge him by his entire career at Stoke. First time I saw him play for us I thought he was the best MF we'd had since Huddy. I never saw anything to change my mind. So many of our fans couldn't seem to see past the Gallic moodiness and the fact that the way we played shackled him. It was only after Hughes came that we started to see him at his best, but many fans took a good season and more before starting to reluctantly accept the incontrovertible evidence of their own eyes. I think Imbula is an upgrade, by the way. Just my opinion, like.... Some posters on here think if a player doesn't score loads of goals and get loads of assists then they're worthless. As his job was the box to box midfielder, you'd expect more than 2 goals a season wouldn't you? And not that many assists either.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 11, 2016 16:01:16 GMT
N'Zonzi is gone and that's that. He was a good player for us, we got three or so good years out of him and made a few quid as well. Let it go. first TP now the Fonz! actually, we haven't had a Ben Marshall thread for a while either!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 11, 2016 16:52:00 GMT
N'Zonzi is gone and that's that. He was a good player for us, we got three or so good years out of him and made a few quid as well. Let it go. first TP now the Fonz! actually, we haven't had a Ben Marshall thread for a while either! We had a little one a few weeks back! Fonzy was never really understood here much like Arnie isn't by a good number. I don't get it re either.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Mar 11, 2016 17:02:56 GMT
first TP now the Fonz! actually, we haven't had a Ben Marshall thread for a while either! We had a little one a few weeks back! Fonzy was never really understood here much like Arnie isn't by a good number. I don't get it re either. Tbh with you bayern, you don't get many things that don't follow your blinkered views. ..arf!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 11, 2016 17:05:02 GMT
We had a little one a few weeks back! Fonzy was never really understood here much like Arnie isn't by a good number. I don't get it re either. Tbh with you bayern, you don't get many things that don't follow your blinkered views. ..arf! I don't get Stoke fans that's for sure!
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Post by tqstokie on Mar 11, 2016 17:07:31 GMT
first TP now the Fonz! actually, we haven't had a Ben Marshall thread for a while either! We had a little one a few weeks back! Fonzy was never really understood here much like Arnie isn't by a good number. I don't get it re either. IMHO even Arnie dosn't understand Arnie. As regards Nzonzi he had the potential but rarely drove the team forward in the way that Imbula does. Both good players but Nzonzi was too slow.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 11, 2016 17:15:15 GMT
We had a little one a few weeks back! Fonzy was never really understood here much like Arnie isn't by a good number. I don't get it re either. IMHO even Arnie dosn't understand Arnie. As regards Nzonzi he had the potential but rarely drove the team forward in the way that Imbula does. Both good players but Nzonzi was too slow. He was occasionally too slow but I'd quite happily suggest that he was the key player in the transition from TP to Hughes. He was to start with the only one who was completely comfortable on the ball and he allowed that transition to go smoothly. Imbula so far looks better, that's absolutely tremendous and long may it continue.
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 11, 2016 17:17:24 GMT
You've either got a shit memory or you were watching the wrong team then imo! Controlled everything, never lost the ball and dictated the speed of play expertly. Ran the fucking show week in week out. Opinions are great things. For me he was anonymous as often as he was influential. Good player yes, but not irreplaceable. We have done as well this season without him as we did last season with him. Arguably we have replaced him with better in Imbula. When N'zonzi had an off day, Stoke had an off day.He was an extremely influential player,and that is why Stoke offered him a lot of money to stay. He did have off days of course,but he was more consistent in his final year as you would expect.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 11, 2016 18:43:59 GMT
You've either got a shit memory or you were watching the wrong team then imo! Controlled everything, never lost the ball and dictated the speed of play expertly. Ran the fucking show week in week out. So just how come when the offspring of Zidane and Platini left us, we didn't go into complete free-fall - given he was replaced my MVG and Charlie Adam? That's a very reasonable question that deserves an answer.
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Post by ohbottom on Mar 11, 2016 18:52:59 GMT
You've either got a shit memory or you were watching the wrong team then imo! Controlled everything, never lost the ball and dictated the speed of play expertly. Ran the fucking show week in week out. So just how come when the offspring of Zidane and Platini left us, we didn't go into complete free-fall - given he was replaced my MVG and Charlie Adam? Well, we sort of did, if you remember. Took us 7 league games to get our first win.
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Post by ukcstokie on Mar 11, 2016 20:59:46 GMT
So just how come when the offspring of Zidane and Platini left us, we didn't go into complete free-fall - given he was replaced my MVG and Charlie Adam? Well, we sort of did, if you remember. Took us 7 league games to get our first win. ...and remind me where we were when Imubula signed.
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