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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 7, 2016 8:16:37 GMT
I know there is lots to be annoyed about yesterday but more than anything I find myself hopelessly disappointed in jack butland and his rather pathetic attempts at saving penalties.
Before the penalty was taken I said lukaku will go down the middle and if he just stands up he will make a complete mug of him. What does he do? Flop to his right before he's even struck the ball AGAIN!
It isn't even that which annoys me the most though. It's the pre penalty routine. He's 6ft 6 and he does absolutely nothing to make the goals look small. Fuck me, he was even stood behind the line, with his arms by his side as lukaku was spotting it up. The goals looked massive.
Get out to your six yard box, get your arms out, walk back slowly looking massive keeping the taker waiting, make the goals look as small as possible and stand up for as long as possible.
garbage. Absolutely garbage.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 8:22:56 GMT
100% agree. He has no technique what so ever. If a bloke of his size just stands up he will save more than he will concede. If the bloke sticks the ball in the corner then fair enough. He did it with Lennon goal as well. Dropping to the floor like a sack of spuds does not help. He's lost a bit of form has Jack but that's totally understandable for a young keeper. But the coach really needs to sort him out on pens.
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Post by jonnybravo on Feb 7, 2016 8:30:56 GMT
Is that 8 penalties he's dived to his right (7 against Liverpool) he really needs to work on them.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 7, 2016 8:32:35 GMT
100% agree. He has no technique what so ever. If a bloke of his size just stands up he will save more than he will concede. If the bloke sticks the ball in the corner then fair enough. He did it with Lennon goal as well. Dropping to the floor like a sack of spuds does not help. He's lost a bit of form has Jack but that's totally understandable for a young keeper. But the coach really needs to sort him out on pens. Agree about the penos but loss of form? Jesus fucking wept. At least 3 world class saves stopped us being 6 or 7 nil
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 8:36:51 GMT
100% agree. He has no technique what so ever. If a bloke of his size just stands up he will save more than he will concede. If the bloke sticks the ball in the corner then fair enough. He did it with Lennon goal as well. Dropping to the floor like a sack of spuds does not help. He's lost a bit of form has Jack but that's totally understandable for a young keeper. But the coach really needs to sort him out on pens. Agree about the penos but loss of form? Jesus fucking wept. At least 3 world class saves stopped us being 6 or 7 nil Have you forgotten the needless penalty he gave away or his sack of spuds technique at trying to stop Lennon. Did I say he was crap? I said he'd lost a Bit of form and that it was understandable. Hardly tearing him apart is it.
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Post by skiptanbroonacari on Feb 7, 2016 9:00:36 GMT
Unbelievable. Arguably the best goalkeeper in England receiving lessons on facing penalties from "randomers". Why don't you offer him some coaching, I'm sure he'll take you up on the offer?
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Post by mrcholmondleywarner on Feb 7, 2016 9:06:35 GMT
100% agree. He has no technique what so ever. If a bloke of his size just stands up he will save more than he will concede. If the bloke sticks the ball in the corner then fair enough. He did it with Lennon goal as well. Dropping to the floor like a sack of spuds does not help. He's lost a bit of form has Jack but that's totally understandable for a young keeper. But the coach really needs to sort him out on pens. Agree about the penos but loss of form? Jesus fucking wept. At least 3 world class saves stopped us being 6 or 7 nil This. Those criticising really ought to get to a game or two.....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 9:09:11 GMT
Unbelievable. Arguably the best goalkeeper in England receiving lessons on facing penalties from "randomers". Why don't you offer him some coaching, I'm sure he'll take you up on the offer? Forgive me!!! I forgot this was a message board. A place where opinions can be offered on all things Stoke City. Apologies I forgot certain players were above criticism. I forgot that because I was never an England goal keeper and just a randomer I can't offer an opinion. Following your thesis every journalist would be have to be an ex-pro. Jose you are not allowed to manage because you've never played at any level. What garbage.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 9:10:53 GMT
When you've got a big imposing keeper like Jack I'll never understand why he would commit to diving early.
Stay on your feet for that split second longer, if the taker tucks it away in the corner fair play you're not saving it anyway, but I'd he's trying to be clever or doesn't hit it completely true he should be all over it like a rash then.
This belly flop to the side he's inherited from Begovic is frustrating, he was watching the wrong keeper in training Sorro was a master.....
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Post by skiptanbroonacari on Feb 7, 2016 9:13:03 GMT
Unbelievable. Arguably the best goalkeeper in England receiving lessons on facing penalties from "randomers". Why don't you offer him some coaching, I'm sure he'll take you up on the offer? Forgive me!!! I forgot this was a message board. A place where opinions can be offered on all things Stoke City. Apologies I forgot certain players were above criticism. I forgot that because I was never an England goal keeper and just a randomer I can't offer an opinion. Following your thesis every journalist would be have to be an ex-pro. Jose you are not allowed to manage because you've never played at any level. What garbage. Opinions are one thing. The message board is full of managers and pundits. He's a professional goalkeeper. My point stands
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 9:13:12 GMT
Unbelievable. Arguably the best goalkeeper in England receiving lessons on facing penalties from "randomers". Why don't you offer him some coaching, I'm sure he'll take you up on the offer? Looking at his attempts to save them thus far it would be naive of him not to change his tactics in dealing with penalties, watch videos of Sorensen he was superb in that situation
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 9:15:00 GMT
When you've got a big imposing keeper like Jack I'll never understand why he would commit to diving early. Stay on your feet for that split second longer, if the taker tucks it away in the corner fair play you're not saving it anyway, but I'd he's trying to be clever or doesn't hit it completely true he should be all over it like a rash then. This belly flop to the side he's inherited from Begovic is frustrating, he was watching the wrong keeper in training Sorro was a master..... Because the big Dane stood up. How many penalties did he save? He made them look poor penalties because he didn't go early. Spot on mate.
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Post by chrispk76 on Feb 7, 2016 9:15:55 GMT
I couldn't believe he dived to the right again ! the stats that teams carry today cover everything . Lukaku will have been aware of how many pens jack has saved , which way he usually dives and is there a pattern to his choice. I agree with the post above that you have to make yourself look big in the goal . I don't see why keepers don't wait until the ball is kicked before diving as not every one is hit in the corner, pens these days seem to be about the dummy run , wait for the keeper to move and then casually place it the opposite way without the need to hit the corner.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 9:17:49 GMT
Forgive me!!! I forgot this was a message board. A place where opinions can be offered on all things Stoke City. Apologies I forgot certain players were above criticism. I forgot that because I was never an England goal keeper and just a randomer I can't offer an opinion. Following your thesis every journalist would be have to be an ex-pro. Jose you are not allowed to manage because you've never played at any level. What garbage. Opinions are one thing. The message board is full of managers and pundits. He's a professional goalkeeper. My point stands And that's fair enough, but it doesn't make anyone's opinion less valid. How many of the Liverpool penalties would he have saved if he hadn't gone early? How many were in the corner? It's not just Jack it's modern keepers,they go far too early.
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Post by no1972 on Feb 7, 2016 9:19:55 GMT
Like the shit save against Hazard.
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Post by chrispk76 on Feb 7, 2016 9:22:26 GMT
Like the shit save against Hazard. Diving to his right for a change
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 7, 2016 9:24:30 GMT
Unbelievable. Arguably the best goalkeeper in England receiving lessons on facing penalties from "randomers". Why don't you offer him some coaching, I'm sure he'll take you up on the offer? Jack is a fantastic keeper, but he still has things to learn! FFS he is only a kid! Penalties is not his strongest point, it's easy to agree to that. I also think he should have avoided the penalty yesterday, but after that he was fantastic again.
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Post by samba :) on Feb 7, 2016 9:28:48 GMT
Forgive me!!! I forgot this was a message board. A place where opinions can be offered on all things Stoke City. Apologies I forgot certain players were above criticism. I forgot that because I was never an England goal keeper and just a randomer I can't offer an opinion. Following your thesis every journalist would be have to be an ex-pro. Jose you are not allowed to manage because you've never played at any level. What garbage. Opinions are one thing. The message board is full of managers and pundits. He's a professional goalkeeper. My point stands Is it
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Post by samba :) on Feb 7, 2016 9:30:28 GMT
100% agree. He has no technique what so ever. If a bloke of his size just stands up he will save more than he will concede. If the bloke sticks the ball in the corner then fair enough. He did it with Lennon goal as well. Dropping to the floor like a sack of spuds does not help. He's lost a bit of form has Jack but that's totally understandable for a young keeper. But the coach really needs to sort him out on pens. I agree with the peno but it was just quality from lennon to get it right in the corner Saying that hurt
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Post by armitagestokie on Feb 7, 2016 9:31:27 GMT
Great keeper but very poor when it comes to pens. End of.
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Post by milky on Feb 7, 2016 9:33:12 GMT
It's frustrating how early he commits himself.Im sure any player taking a penalty against him has done his homework.
Reminds me a bit of Shilton in that respect.He always seemed to go the wrong way.
An excellent keeper non the less.
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Post by RAF on Feb 7, 2016 9:39:33 GMT
A keeper should never really save a penalty. A professional footballer should never miss a penalty.
I know they do, but at their level they shouldn't regardless of pressure , the odds are stacked against the keeper.
The best thing to do is not fucking concede them in the first place which is where any criticism of Jack should start and end, that player was going away from goal and never looked like he was going to score. Granted I have only seen it once so I'll have a look later on, seemed a bit reckless to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 9:44:09 GMT
A keeper should never really save a penalty. A professional footballer should never miss a penalty. I know they do, but at their level they shouldn't regardless of pressure , the odds are stacked against the keeper. The best thing to do is not fucking concede them in the first place which is where any criticism of Jack should start and end, that player was going away from goal and never looked like he was going to score. Granted I have only seen it once so I'll have a look later on, seemed a bit reckless to me. H It's just one of those things for me. As the last line of defence he has to come out and he,like all goalies do,would have thought he could get to the ball first,add in the fact that the surface was soaking wet and it was always going to end one way once Cleverly nicked the ball first. What I couldn't understand was how he wasn't booked?
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Post by roostershair on Feb 7, 2016 9:46:56 GMT
Yeah! God he's a shi keeper isn't he? Fuck him off and bring back Mark Prudoe!!!! Fucking moronic comments!!!!!!!
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Post by ukcstokie on Feb 7, 2016 9:47:41 GMT
Jack does have a problem with pens. I've been saying this for a while now - it's just an area of the game he needs to improve. He just doesn't look like saving them.
Would bringing back Sorenson for some penalty coaching help?
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Post by fca47 on Feb 7, 2016 10:02:22 GMT
Need to get Tommy Sorensen over for some coaching, great penalty stopper.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 10:12:36 GMT
Yeah! God he's a shi keeper isn't he? Fuck him off and bring back Mark Prudoe!!!! Fucking moronic comments!!!!!!! Typical overreaction on here. Show me one quote where someone has called Jack shit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 10:23:07 GMT
Just shows how nit picky our fans are when a thread can be started being critical about Jack Butland. He was outstanding yesterday and has been all season. He pulled off a breathtaking penalty save to win the shootout against Chelsea. Thats how it goes with penalties...some you save...some you dont. The penalty taker should always score them to be honest and we shouldnt be conceding them. Mignolet pulled off a brilliant few saves in the penalty shootout at Anfield but is mostly dogshit at anything else. It happens...some you save...some you dont.
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Post by Beertricks Potter on Feb 7, 2016 10:46:20 GMT
I hate to point out faults with Jack, as everyone says he's been outstanding for us this year. Something that struck me yesterday was that he rarely gives the defenders a good bollocking for fucking up. Most of the top keepers will put a fear into the lads in front of him. When Mori had that free header in the 2nd half, Jack just turned to get the ball rather than laying in to whoever was near him. He's still young and still learning, with the lack of Shawcross there he should be being coached to take some bollocking duties on.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 7, 2016 13:30:41 GMT
Unbelievable. Arguably the best goalkeeper in England receiving lessons on facing penalties from "randomers". Why don't you offer him some coaching, I'm sure he'll take you up on the offer? I'd gladly offer him some coaching and if he'd listen to a "randomer" he'd be better equipped to look like he'd save one. He must have faced around 13 penalties in a stoke shirt now, he's saved one struck weakly pretty much straight at him. He's hasn't got close to another. I have no problem with him not saving penalties. I have a huge problem with him doing NOTHING to distract the taker.
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