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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 7, 2016 14:11:36 GMT
Crikey, saving penalties is a piece of piss reading some of the posts above.
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Post by nott1 on Feb 7, 2016 14:13:56 GMT
Crikey, saving penalties is a piece of piss reading some of the posts above. Had he stood up in the middle most of 'em would have hit him! |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 7, 2016 14:14:25 GMT
Crikey, saving penalties is a piece of piss reading some of the posts above. Again, I don't think anyone has said that have they? |
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Post by borat on Feb 7, 2016 14:32:54 GMT
I know there is lots to be annoyed about yesterday but more than anything I find myself hopelessly disappointed in jack butland and his rather pathetic attempts at saving penalties. Before the penalty was taken I said lukaku will go down the middle and if he just stands up he will make a complete mug of him. What does he do? Flop to his right before he's even struck the ball AGAIN! It isn't even that which annoys me the most though. It's the pre penalty routine. He's 6ft 6 and he does absolutely nothing to make the goals look small. Fuck me, he was even stood behind the line, with his arms by his side as lukaku was spotting it up. The goals looked massive. Get out to your six yard box, get your arms out, walk back slowly looking massive keeping the taker waiting, make the goals look as small as possible and stand up for as long as possible. garbage. Absolutely garbage. I said this when we played Liverpool. He is one of the worse penalty saving keepers we've ever had. He just flops to one side, he doesn't make himself look big and he dives 3 seconds before the ball is kicked. Benteke watched him dive then tapped the ball the other side at 2 mph, he is useless at stopping penos. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 14:33:51 GMT
All I can say with Jack and penalties right now is:- for a big solid unit like he is
-there's a few very basic coaching tips seemingly gone amiss
such as
1) bend your fucking knees a bit you big fucking lump so, you can spring one way or the other
or better still
2) Learn to judge when the idiot facing you is going to just bumble it straight down the middle
bend down --- and pick it up !
That said - cracking young keeper still - BUT with stuff to learn
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Post by tony harrison on Feb 7, 2016 14:56:52 GMT
Crikey, saving penalties is a piece of piss reading some of the posts above. It would appear so, I was standing directly behind the goal when we had the penalties against Chelsea. One thing that struck me was how the hell can a keeper save a penalty without a great deal of luck? As soon as the ball was struck, it was in the back of the net. No time to move, if you are waiting to see which way it is going as you would be too late to do anything about it anyway. If you move left, right or stay in the middle then you have to hope you guessed right. Listening to the radio the other week, the great Gordon Banks was saying if you wait you will be beaten. He said a keeper has to decide before the kick is taken and move just before the kick is taken and then hope you are right. The save against Muniesa at Liverpool was good keeping and a big big slice of luck, he guessed the right way and managed to pull off a fine save as the ball was near the corner. Jack does dive to the same side a lot but it is up to him to vary this a bit more. Doesn't mean he'll save more penalties, that still comes down to whether the penalty is off target and if on target he is in the right place to try to save it. If Gordon had to guess, every other goalkeeper has to. Jack Butland is still the England number 1. |
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Post by clarkeda on Feb 7, 2016 15:02:44 GMT
I hate to point out faults with Jack, as everyone says he's been outstanding for us this year. Something that struck me yesterday was that he rarely gives the defenders a good bollocking for fucking up. Most of the top keepers will put a fear into the lads in front of him. When Mori had that free header in the 2nd half, Jack just turned to get the ball rather than laying in to whoever was near him. He's still young and still learning, with the lack of Shawcross there he should be being coached to take some bollocking duties on. That a good point he always seems Calm and laid back if he offered out a few bollockings could be a good way to improve organisation |
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Post by matelot1996 on Feb 7, 2016 15:20:55 GMT
Yeah! God he's a shi keeper isn't he? Fuck him off and bring back Mark Prudoe!!!! Fucking moronic comments!!!!!!!  I see you are not immune to moronic comments yourself. |
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 7, 2016 17:25:04 GMT
We're now sticking the boot into a 22 year old goalkeeper in his first full season who has been brilliant for us, absolutely brilliant. Why? Because he doesn't save penalties.
If it wasn't so shitty it would be laughable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 17:53:25 GMT
I'll tell you something else aswell.... he tipped a header onto the bar that he should have caught!! So not only can he not save penaltys he can't bloody catch either!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 18:01:27 GMT
We're now sticking the boot into a 22 year old goalkeeper in his first full season who has been brilliant for us, absolutely brilliant. Why? Because he doesn't save penalties. If it wasn't so shitty it would be laughable. I can't actually see where anyone is sticking the boot in. It all seems quite constructive actually. You are the last one to comment. Some of the bile you spouted when TP was in charge hardly made you one of the more reasoned posters does it? |
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Post by happychappy on Feb 7, 2016 18:02:55 GMT
He's 22!! Thrown in against some of the best players in the world, they're known to mature later and he's in his first season.
Penalties are piss easy as well.
I'd like see some of you try and save one. Look at the penalties during the Chelsea game. Give him time. Let him mature and he'll be massive for us.
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Post by potterglen on Feb 7, 2016 18:03:48 GMT
It can't be denied, penalties aren't his thing and needs working on.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 7, 2016 18:54:27 GMT
We're now sticking the boot into a 22 year old goalkeeper in his first full season who has been brilliant for us, absolutely brilliant. Why? Because he doesn't save penalties. If it wasn't so shitty it would be laughable. I can't actually see where anyone is sticking the boot in. It all seems quite constructive actually. You are the last one to comment. Some of the bile you spouted when TP was in charge hardly made you one of the more reasoned posters does it? I'm very reasoned, I'll have a moan up when it's due. I thought Butland was mostly to blame for the penalty in the first place but he's 22 and, like a lot of footballers at that age, has a few things to work on. 'Garbage, absolute garbage' is now constructive criticism. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 7, 2016 18:58:57 GMT
We're now sticking the boot into a 22 year old goalkeeper in his first full season who has been brilliant for us, absolutely brilliant. Why? Because he doesn't save penalties. If it wasn't so shitty it would be laughable. Hardly sticking the boot in is it? Wondering why a 6ft 6 bloke does nothing to make the goals look small or put the taker off is really sticking it to him isn't it? |
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 7, 2016 19:02:37 GMT
We're now sticking the boot into a 22 year old goalkeeper in his first full season who has been brilliant for us, absolutely brilliant. Why? Because he doesn't save penalties. If it wasn't so shitty it would be laughable. Hardly sticking the boot in is it? Wondering why a 6ft 6 bloke does nothing to make the goals look small or put the taker off is really sticking it to him isn't it? Hopefully you've penned your letter to Andy Quy asking him to tell Jack to pull his finger out. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 7, 2016 19:02:58 GMT
I can't actually see where anyone is sticking the boot in. It all seems quite constructive actually. You are the last one to comment. Some of the bile you spouted when TP was in charge hardly made you one of the more reasoned posters does it? I'm very reasoned, I'll have a moan up when it's due. I thought Butland was mostly to blame for the penalty in the first place but he's 22 and, like a lot of footballers at that age, has a few things to work on. 'Garbage, absolute garbage' is now constructive criticism. His pre kick efforts are garbage as well. Absolute garbage. Standing behind your goalline with you arms by your side making the goals look as big as possible isn't really what you'd describe as brilliant is it? |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 7, 2016 19:04:25 GMT
Hardly sticking the boot in is it? Wondering why a 6ft 6 bloke does nothing to make the goals look small or put the taker off is really sticking it to him isn't it? Hopefully you've penned your letter to Andy Quy asking him to tell Jack to pull his finger out. I played a higher level than Andy quy so perhaps I will. Whilst I'm at it perhaps you could write one telling a former manager of the year to do likewise??? |
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Post by superheroantonius on Feb 7, 2016 19:07:34 GMT
Agreed.. Very good player but has a habit of diving before the ball has been kicked at penalties.. Which is pointless.. He never dives before the ball in open play.. And no matter what shape the striker makes or what he suggests with his eyes.. A fair few are struck down the middle and could be saved without even diving
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 7, 2016 19:07:46 GMT
I'm very reasoned, I'll have a moan up when it's due. I thought Butland was mostly to blame for the penalty in the first place but he's 22 and, like a lot of footballers at that age, has a few things to work on. 'Garbage, absolute garbage' is now constructive criticism. His pre kick efforts are garbage as well. Absolute garbage. Standing behind your goalline with you arms by your side making the goals look as big as possible isn't really what you'd describe as brilliant is it? In your opinion. There are plenty of goalkeepers who do all sorts of shit and still don't save penalties. Let's face it, if he jumped around like some kind of deranged chimp and he still didn't save it people would be moaning about that. Like I say, he's 22, not played a full season in the PL and still has things to improve on. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 19:09:03 GMT
6 and two 3's for me. Some keepers wait and hold until the last minute whilst some go early. Either way can work and either way can make you look daft.
If you go early you can be 'sent the wrong way' and if you hold until the last minute, if the attacker hit's it hard enough it can make you look like you were too slow going down, and sometimes we've seen keepers routed to the spot.
I agree with what has been said above. The odds are stacked in favour of the attacker. They really shouldn't miss if they hit it hard enough and get it on target.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 7, 2016 19:13:19 GMT
His pre kick efforts are garbage as well. Absolute garbage. Standing behind your goalline with you arms by your side making the goals look as big as possible isn't really what you'd describe as brilliant is it? In your opinion. There are plenty of goalkeepers who do all sorts of shit and still don't save penalties. Let's face it, if he jumped around like some kind of deranged chimp and he still didn't save it people would be moaning about that. Like I say, he's 22, not played a full season in the PL and still has things to improve on. Try to find some clips of Sorensen facing penalties or Paul cooper and compare and contrast with young jack. Rewatch the Liverpool shootout and watch mignolet v butland. Mignolet is crap, butland is brilliant but it is infuriating watching a brilliant keeper be so naive pre kick. |
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Post by yellowfang on Feb 7, 2016 19:13:24 GMT
I said the same to my son, if he stays middle he'll have a good chance to save it, we're behind the boothen goal........off he launches to the right and bingo, have a word Banksy!  |
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 7, 2016 19:16:48 GMT
Hopefully you've penned your letter to Andy Quy asking him to tell Jack to pull his finger out. I played a higher level than Andy quy so perhaps I will. Whilst I'm at it perhaps you could write one telling a former manager of the year to do likewise??? Lol, no need to go all John Terry. And I don't get your last sentence. Why would I write to the ex-manager, he's doing a sterling job. |
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Feb 7, 2016 19:18:21 GMT
I can't actually see where anyone is sticking the boot in. It all seems quite constructive actually. You are the last one to comment. Some of the bile you spouted when TP was in charge hardly made you one of the more reasoned posters does it? I'm very reasoned, I'll have a moan up when it's due. I thought Butland was mostly to blame for the penalty in the first place but he's 22 and, like a lot of footballers at that age, has a few things to work on. 'Garbage, absolute garbage' is now constructive criticism. "I'm very reasoned" that's the funniest thing I've read for a while on here,you really couldn't make it up |
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 7, 2016 19:21:07 GMT
I'm very reasoned, I'll have a moan up when it's due. I thought Butland was mostly to blame for the penalty in the first place but he's 22 and, like a lot of footballers at that age, has a few things to work on. 'Garbage, absolute garbage' is now constructive criticism. "I'm very reasoned" that's the funniest thing I've read for a while on here,you really couldn't make it up Well you could, I did. |
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Post by gerbil on Feb 7, 2016 19:23:21 GMT
As with all keepers you have a natural (comfortable ) side that you dive to when you dive on instinct. You need to coach yourself out of diving the same way. It is a bit like being left or right footed.
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 7, 2016 20:00:42 GMT
Unbelievable. Arguably the best goalkeeper in England receiving lessons on facing penalties from "randomers". Why don't you offer him some coaching, I'm sure he'll take you up on the offer? I love Jack and have no problem in saying that we owe a real lot to him this year Without his exceptional performances earlier in this season we would be hovering just above the relegation spots But his performances on penalties is exceptionally poor and yes he does need a lot of coaching on this particular aspect of his game Nothing wrong in being constructively critical is there ? We could get Sorensen to give him the needed coaching he was fantastic on penalties |
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Post by skiptanbroonacari on Feb 7, 2016 21:16:49 GMT
My point is that he is a professional goalkeeper AND he will be getting coaching from another professional.
The comments from some people would have you believe that penalties are saveable and that they wouldn't be beaten so easily. I'm prepared to bet that the experts offering advice have never stood in front of 28000 people and faced another professional who's been coached at putting them away.
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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 7, 2016 21:23:21 GMT
Typical goalkeepers lot. You can be brilliant for 120 minutes but if you don't save the crucial penalty you need coaching  |
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