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Post by sharonbeech21 on Feb 8, 2016 15:48:29 GMT
The biggest mistake we made was letting huth go. He would have slotted in straight away when shawcross became injured And with him in defence now we wouldnt be conceding so many goals. I always said this would come back to haunt us and it has
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 15:57:12 GMT
Huth would have made fuck all difference whatsoever. Imagine if it was Huth who was the centre half having to deal with that Barkley backheel first goal thing, he'd be left for fucking dead.
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Post by Davef on Feb 8, 2016 16:06:31 GMT
The biggest mistake we made was letting huth go. He would have slotted in straight away when shawcross became injured And with him in defence now we wouldnt be conceding so many goals. I always said this would come back to haunt us and it has We'll have to take your word that you always said it was a mistake letting Huth go, but if you use our search facility and find the threads from when Huthy was at the club last season and at the time we loaned him to Leicester then you won't find much of a clamour to get him into a side that was doing very well and you'll find a general acceptance that it was the right thing to loan him out. There are plenty of posts from people commenting about his fitness after the Wrexham game and there were even Stokies with the opinion that he was finished. I actually said at the time of his loan that I felt a move to a Premier League team might not be a good thing for him at that time! We all assumed that the loan was to help him get fit and the general consensus that it was a good move for both him and Stoke. The shit obviously hit the fan when the injuries started to mount not long after we'd agreed to loan him, but prior to that it wasn't an issue. The biggest mistake Mark Hughes has made is not bringing in an experienced centre half to cover for the injuries to Ryan Shawcross once he had made the decision to sell Huth to Leicester - both in the summer and in the transfer window just gone.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 8, 2016 16:10:38 GMT
what i'm confused about is why, on a Stoke City messageboard, we seem to have soooooo many threads on a daily basis giving support to players who don't play for us and managers who don't manage us yet all we see we seem to see about actual STOKE players is "They're shit, bin them off" cracking "Supporters" some on here are...no, they really are! well done lads
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Feb 8, 2016 17:14:44 GMT
Well dave you are clearly not a fan of huth ok i appreciate that But i was. He is proving at leicester that he can still do it at this level and fair play to him. When was the last time a defender scored a goal for stoke?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 8, 2016 17:26:12 GMT
We will always get injuries. And after last season it wasn't much of a stretch. Always a daft decision by the manager. Fuck off Bayern. As it turned out great decision by Huth. H No it wasn't. The manager made the decision.
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Post by Davef on Feb 8, 2016 17:27:10 GMT
Well dave you are clearly not a fan of huth ok i appreciate that But i was. He is proving at leicester that he can still do it at this level and fair play to him. When was the last time a defender scored a goal for stoke? Of course I was a fan of Huth. I'm a Stoke supporter aren't I?
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Feb 8, 2016 17:39:58 GMT
However anybody dresses it up it was a big mistake to let a player of his stature leave the club imo.Yes we had a fantastic season and players came in and did very well but are they as good as Huth?not for me because he's an out and out defender who would run through a brick wall for his club.Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I reckon Sparky would do things differently if he had his time again.Anyway lets hope we sign a player of Huth's stature to partner Ryan again in the summer with Wollschied ready to come in if either get injured
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 8, 2016 19:41:25 GMT
However anybody dresses it up it was a big mistake to let a player of his stature leave the club imo.Yes we had a fantastic season and players came in and did very well but are they as good as Huth?not for me because he's an out and out defender who would run through a brick wall for his club.Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I reckon Sparky would do things differently if he had his time again.Anyway lets hope we sign a player of Huth's stature to partner Ryan again in the summer with Wollschied ready to come in if either get injured Not really hindsight Mutts, we knew before the end of last season that Ryan had on going back issues, Hughes bought in Wolly on loan then dropped him to get him out of the firing line, most people knew Wolly was no where near as good a defender as Huth he had also proved that Hughes was lying about his match fitness whilst on loan, Hughes then agreed to sell Huth to Leicester for £3mill, to compound that mistake he then signed Wolly for nearly £3mill, people on here are telling me that was good business these people need to go to specsavers as does our Manager.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 8, 2016 19:45:52 GMT
Definitely not hindsight that is correct!
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Feb 8, 2016 19:49:11 GMT
However anybody dresses it up it was a big mistake to let a player of his stature leave the club imo.Yes we had a fantastic season and players came in and did very well but are they as good as Huth?not for me because he's an out and out defender who would run through a brick wall for his club.Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I reckon Sparky would do things differently if he had his time again.Anyway lets hope we sign a player of Huth's stature to partner Ryan again in the summer with Wollschied ready to come in if either get injured Not really hindsight Mutts, we knew before the end of last season that Ryan had on going back issues, Hughes bought in Wolly on loan then dropped him to get him out of the firing line, most people knew Wolly was no where near as good a defender as Huth he had also proved that Hughes was lying about his match fitness whilst on loan, Hughes then agreed to sell Huth to Leicester for £3mill, to compound that mistake he then signed Wolly for nearly £3mill, people on here are telling me that was good business these people need to go to specsavers as does our Manager. Wollschied has surprised me mate how well he's done at times and I've said that on a regular basis this season but like Jamo said last night there's a mistake or two in him in most matches and that coupled with his lack of pace concerns me.We need to sign another top centre half in the summer to partner Ryan but it will cost alot of money to do this when we had that player on our books imo.It's not going to change now though so we move on with what we've got for now.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 8, 2016 19:51:05 GMT
Not really hindsight Mutts, we knew before the end of last season that Ryan had on going back issues, Hughes bought in Wolly on loan then dropped him to get him out of the firing line, most people knew Wolly was no where near as good a defender as Huth he had also proved that Hughes was lying about his match fitness whilst on loan, Hughes then agreed to sell Huth to Leicester for £3mill, to compound that mistake he then signed Wolly for nearly £3mill, people on here are telling me that was good business these people need to go to specsavers as does our Manager. Wollschied has surprised me mate how well he's done at times and I've said that on a regular basis this season but like Jamo said last night there's a mistake or two in him in most matches and that coupled with his lack of pace concerns me.We need to sign another top centre half in the summer to partner Ryan but it will cost alot of money to do this when we had that player on our books imo.It's not going to change now though so we move on with what we've got for now. Is having a defender "with a mistake or two in him" every game acceptable? I don't think it is, hence my stance on him.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 8, 2016 19:52:09 GMT
Definitely not hindsight that is correct! More like a case of short sight or possibly blinkered sight, either way not hindsight as some are offering up as a form of excuse, possibly the worst piece of business since Greenhoff was sold but there were outside pressures for that as we know.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 8, 2016 19:52:53 GMT
Definitely not hindsight that is correct! More like a case of short sight or possibly blinkered sight, either way not hindsight as some are offering up as a form of excuse, possibly the worst piece of business since Greenhoff was sold but there were outside pressures for that as we know. I wouldn't go that far!
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 8, 2016 19:54:52 GMT
Wollschied has surprised me mate how well he's done at times and I've said that on a regular basis this season but like Jamo said last night there's a mistake or two in him in most matches and that coupled with his lack of pace concerns me.We need to sign another top centre half in the summer to partner Ryan but it will cost alot of money to do this when we had that player on our books imo.It's not going to change now though so we move on with what we've got for now. Is having a defender "with a mistake or two in him" every game acceptable? I don't think it is, hence my stance on him. Two mistakes lead to two of the goals on Saturday, all players make mistakes but good players learn from them poor players do not, Wilson is very similar when they are together it is frankly frightening.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 19:54:47 GMT
The last time I saw Huth play for Stoke was against Wrexham in the cup, and he looked like he'd forgotten how to play the game. He also didn't look to be running or turning freely.
I accept that a good number of people said at the time that we shouldn't have let him go, but I really don't understand on what grounds, other than what an awesome player he'd once been for us.
I'll admit that watching him score from corners is a bit of a twat though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 8, 2016 19:56:37 GMT
The last time I saw Huth play for Stoke was against Wrexham in the cup, and he looked like he'd forgotten how to play the game. He also didn't look to be running or turning freely. I accept that a good number of people said at the time that we shouldn't have let him go, but I really don't understand on what grounds, other than what an awesome player he'd once been for us. I'll admit that watching him score from corners is a bit of a twat though. He's a cracking defender and we signed (or about to sign) an error strewn eejit instead? It always looked daft.
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Post by cousindupree on Feb 8, 2016 19:58:14 GMT
The shawcross injury had been coming for some time and we knew that an op was likely. Huth was the nearest thing to Ryan in terms of a commanding organiser at the back. Letting such an obvious replacement for Ryan go and not replacing him with like for like i.e. no nonsense stopper was a big error by Hughes. It seems he likes his CBs to 'get us playing from the back'. Call me old school but I like at least one of my CBs to be a no nonsense defender first. Lets not dress this up as hindsight
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 8, 2016 19:58:53 GMT
The last time I saw Huth play for Stoke was against Wrexham in the cup, and he looked like he'd forgotten how to play the game. He also didn't look to be running or turning freely. I accept that a good number of people said at the time that we shouldn't have let him go, but I really don't understand on what grounds, other than what an awesome player he'd once been for us. I'll admit that watching him score from corners is a bit of a twat though. And how many games did he miss whilst on loan at Leicester from January on last season ?, not match fit feckin bull shit excuse by Hughes, by the way he is now a pretty awesome player for Leicester his goals are a bonus and one we no longer posses from any of our CB's.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 8, 2016 20:01:39 GMT
The last time I saw Huth play for Stoke was against Wrexham in the cup, and he looked like he'd forgotten how to play the game. He also didn't look to be running or turning freely. I accept that a good number of people said at the time that we shouldn't have let him go, but I really don't understand on what grounds, other than what an awesome player he'd once been for us. I'll admit that watching him score from corners is a bit of a twat though. He's a cracking defender and we signed (or about to sign) an error strewn eejit instead? It always looked daft. Apparently Wolly was not signed at Huth's replacement, the Spanish midget was already earmarked for the Huth role
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 8, 2016 20:03:00 GMT
He's a cracking defender and we signed (or about to sign) an error strewn eejit instead? It always looked daft. Apparently Wolly was not signed at Huth's replacement, the Spanish midget was already earmarked for the Huth role I wouldn't have minded Shawcross and Muni as a long term partnership (I still don't) but with the injuries between the 3 of them there's plenty of scope for all 3.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 8, 2016 20:03:51 GMT
The shawcross injury had been coming for some time and we knew that an op was likely. Huth was the nearest thing to Ryan in terms of a commanding organiser at the back. Letting such an obvious replacement for Ryan go and not replacing him with like for like i.e. no nonsense stopper was a big error by Hughes. It seems he likes his CBs to 'get us playing from the back'. Call me old school but I like at least one of my CBs to be a no nonsense defender first. Lets not dress this up as hindsight Does playing from the back mean playing blind passes that lead to opposition goals !, if so perhaps it might be advisable to stop fuckin doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 20:09:40 GMT
The last time I saw Huth play for Stoke was against Wrexham in the cup, and he looked like he'd forgotten how to play the game. He also didn't look to be running or turning freely. I accept that a good number of people said at the time that we shouldn't have let him go, but I really don't understand on what grounds, other than what an awesome player he'd once been for us. I'll admit that watching him score from corners is a bit of a twat though. He's a cracking defender and we signed (or about to sign) an error strewn eejit instead? It always looked daft. Like I said, Huth didn't look anywhere near Premier League standard the last time I saw him. Whether his replacement was the right choice is another matter. I'm tempted to agree with you over that, and I'd make a strong leader type of centre half a priority in the next window.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 8, 2016 20:10:58 GMT
He's a cracking defender and we signed (or about to sign) an error strewn eejit instead? It always looked daft. Like I said, Huth didn't look anywhere near Premier League standard the last time I saw him. Whether his replacement was the right choice is another matter. I'm tempted to agree with you over that, and I'd make a strong leader type of centre half a priority in the next window. But then he went to Leicester and put in consistent performances, stayed fit and basically proved the nay sayers and Hughes wrong. It should have been enough.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Feb 8, 2016 20:11:36 GMT
The shawcross injury had been coming for some time and we knew that an op was likely. Huth was the nearest thing to Ryan in terms of a commanding organiser at the back. Letting such an obvious replacement for Ryan go and not replacing him with like for like i.e. no nonsense stopper was a big error by Hughes. It seems he likes his CBs to 'get us playing from the back'. Call me old school but I like at least one of my CBs to be a no nonsense defender first. Lets not dress this up as hindsight Spot-on. It was a massive mistake to let Huth go. It was an even bigger mistake not to sign a centre-half in the window.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 20:14:41 GMT
Like I said, Huth didn't look anywhere near Premier League standard the last time I saw him. Whether his replacement was the right choice is another matter. I'm tempted to agree with you over that, and I'd make a strong leader type of centre half a priority in the next window. But then he went to Leicester and put in consistent performances, stayed fit and basically proved the nay sayers and Hughes wrong. It should have been enough. I remember there'd been talk of a bust-up between him and Hughes before he left on loan, so I'm assuming that once he'd done well at Leicester there was only one place he was going to be once his loan period had ended.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 8, 2016 20:16:48 GMT
But then he went to Leicester and put in consistent performances, stayed fit and basically proved the nay sayers and Hughes wrong. It should have been enough. I remember there'd been talk of a bust-up between him and Hughes before he left on loan, so I'm assuming that once he'd done well at Leicester there was only one place he was going to be once his loan period had ended. I don't think that was true.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 8, 2016 20:19:10 GMT
But then he went to Leicester and put in consistent performances, stayed fit and basically proved the nay sayers and Hughes wrong. It should have been enough. I remember there'd been talk of a bust-up between him and Hughes before he left on loan, so I'm assuming that once he'd done well at Leicester there was only one place he was going to be once his loan period had ended. So it was perhaps a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face, if that is the case it shows Hughes in a very bad light, personal issues should not take preference over what is best for your employers and our club.
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Post by milky on Feb 8, 2016 20:23:10 GMT
He's a cracking defender and we signed (or about to sign) an error strewn eejit instead? It always looked daft. Apparently Wolly was not signed at Huth's replacement, the Spanish midget was already earmarked for the Huth role So having spent pretty much the last three days wanking off a player from another team you now refer to one of our own as "the Spanish midget ". Well done.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 8, 2016 20:24:32 GMT
Apparently Wolly was not signed at Huth's replacement, the Spanish midget was already earmarked for the Huth role So having spent pretty much the last three days wanking off a player from another team you now refer to one of our own as "the Spanish midget ". Well done. Thanks.
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