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Post by jezzascfc on Jan 27, 2016 2:09:13 GMT
Sometimes I despair - tonight was a night to be proud to be a potter, for us to stand united in our support for a truly great performance by our team. Some of us couldn't be there for many reasons - work or family commitments, lack of funds, we live in another country etc., but let's not play the "true supporter" card, shall we? We are all Stokies.
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Post by StokieNath on Jan 27, 2016 2:11:30 GMT
Sometimes I despair - tonight was a night to be proud to be a potter, for us to stand united in our support for a truly great performance by our team. Some of us couldn't be there for many reasons - work or family commitments, lack of funds, we live in another country etc., but let's not play the "true supporter" card, shall we? We are all Stokies. Oh and the leaving early card, Christ that grinds my gears!!
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 27, 2016 2:32:43 GMT
Sometimes I despair - tonight was a night to be proud to be a potter, for us to stand united in our support for a truly great performance by our team. Some of us couldn't be there for many reasons - work or family commitments, lack of funds, we live in another country etc., but let's not play the "true supporter" card, shall we? We are all Stokies. Talking of true supporters cards, do you remember when we had to have one of them fookers to travel away? How far we have come as a club and as supporters! We are all here because of our mutual love of Stoke City, tonight's not the night for this shit! We may not be in the final but we won on every single other aspect of tonight!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 2:46:16 GMT
Sometimes I despair - tonight was a night to be proud to be a potter, for us to stand united in our support for a truly great performance by our team. Some of us couldn't be there for many reasons - work or family commitments, lack of funds, we live in another country etc., but let's not play the "true supporter" card, shall we? We are all Stokies. Talking of true supporters cards, do you remember when we had to have one of them fookers to travel away? How far we have come as a club and as supporters! We are all here because of our mutual love of Stoke City, tonight's not the night for this shit! We may not be in the final but we won on every single other aspect of tonight! I feel like maybe I shouldn't post this as someone who isn't a 'true supporter' but I felt gutted leaving the stadium following the first leg, the game was far from out of reach so there was hope but I was honestly a little ashamed at how poor our performance was and I was inconsolable for the next couple days. Tonight though both the team and the fans were phenomenal, left everything out there and we had a real go at them. I felt proud leaving the pub I can't imagine how the fans felt leaving the stadium, think I speak for every Stoke fan by saying if we all could have been there. We dam well would've been. At the end of the day I get to see very few games a season and it's the reason I use the oatcake, I want to feel closer to the club and the fans. I don't even take a notice of that 'true fan' bollocks, if you support the lads in red and white that's enough. You shouldn't have to be thanked or lorded over for being a fan who goes to every game, it should be it's own reward.
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Post by cooper67 on Jan 27, 2016 2:48:27 GMT
Trust you. Slagging Stoke fans off at Doncaster for smashing a pub up..which was a complete fallacy Why not concentrate on supporting the team instead of criticising the fans. Weren't you slagging off Mowcoppotter the other day on here?? So much so that Admin had to step in and tell you to shut up?? Kettle and pot spring to mind.
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Post by roostershair on Jan 27, 2016 8:39:35 GMT
The victims in what sense? If that's Hillsborough related it's incredibly insensitive. Don't you fucking dare criticise Stoke fans. There's always people like you coming on here that have absolutely nothing to do with Stoke City. Any other night I would leave it. Not tonight. You represent everything I fucking hate and despise about our new breed of supporters. 'Insensitive'? Excuse me while I cry my fucking eyes out. Hear hear wizzard. I get so pissed off sometimes. Well said
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 27, 2016 8:57:19 GMT
25 minutes to get in on our biggest day of the season? The club should lodge an official complaint
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Post by redstriper on Jan 27, 2016 9:19:39 GMT
Quite unrelated but I got to anfield in the car at 7:15. Left Sheffield at 4. Couldn't find ANYWHERE to fucking park. Ended up putting it on a side street near Goodison in a permit area and prayed for the best. Got into the ground at 10 past 8. The car park on Stanley park was for 'permit holders only' and there was fuck all left. Absolutely dog shite. Same problem for us, no signs on the roads in directing us where to park, masses of street parking off limits "residents only", we drove around for nearly half an hour and ended up being ripped off for a tenner by some back street geezer near goodison. That was the only reason we weren't at the ground with 30 mins to spare and presumably the same for a lot of stoke fans - which exasperated the problem with the late coaches. Absolute shambles Liverpool FC. Shocking ineptitude from a supposedly "big" club who should know better.
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Post by jeycov on Jan 27, 2016 9:25:25 GMT
Maybe comments should be forwarded to the FSF
We were very lucky with parking, but the directions were non existent
The fan zone outside the ground was a good idea -would be great to see something similar at Stoke not sure where it couls be though
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 27, 2016 9:35:53 GMT
I know there is not much space in that street but at 6ft 2 and 18 stone I felt a little worried in that crowd , must have been scary for smaller and frail fans , there didnt seem much of a system in place
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Post by miggo on Jan 27, 2016 9:37:05 GMT
Absolute disgrace, got in after 25mins had passed, on questioning a steward on what had happened with no malice or blame I was told to shut the fuck up by the overly aggressive steward pointing his stubby fat finger in my face. When telling him to calm down he asked a policeman to remove me from the que and remove my ticket fortunately for me the copper had witnessed the whole event and told him he had no right to not grant me entrance to the stadium.
Absolute joke what happened and no way 1500-2000 fans should be missing 20-30 mins in one of the clubs biggest ever games. An official complaint should be made and I'd expect an apology from Liverpool as a minimum.
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Post by stantheman on Jan 27, 2016 10:52:49 GMT
Attachment DeletedI had to laugh when we were told to sit down in the stadium. My 'seat' only had a back to it, nothing to actually sit on!
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Jan 27, 2016 12:04:35 GMT
Hopefully Malcolm Clarke will be putting a link on to the fans forum questionnaire soon.
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Post by stantheman on Jan 27, 2016 14:00:00 GMT
We were told by a copper whilst walking through Stanley Park, that kick off would be put back by 15 minutes. Fookin clueless
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Jan 27, 2016 14:21:37 GMT
View AttachmentI had to laugh when we were told to sit down in the stadium. My 'seat' only had a back to it, nothing to actually sit on! I'd email the club and ask for half your money back, given you only got half a seat! Obviously been robbed. This thread is a bit embarrassing though. Calm down gents. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using proboards
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jan 27, 2016 14:25:07 GMT
I've been going to Stoke games for much longer than I care to state, but yesterday was the first time in a long while that I was genuinely worried about me and my old man's safety.
The official club coaches came in late. Ours arrived at 7:40ish and we got to Anfield Road at around 7:50ish.
It was absolute chaos!
Basically all of the fans from the coaches were stuffed into a confined space with minimal stewarding and no organisation. It was getting to the stage where it was just one big crush around each turnstile (where they were having trouble making the tickets work!).
There was no information from the club, all of the police were giving contradicting messages, and there was no attempt to try and organise fans into any sort of lining system.
Quite how no one was hurt amongst the chaos I don't know. There was a poor old couple close to us who were buffeted and squashed numerous times against the stadium walls.
Personally, the fact that we missed twenty odd minutes of the game is no big concern. But the inability of a football club to manage a large number of fans SAFELY is absolutely disgraceful in my opinion.
Is there someone on the supporters council that we can forward our comments onto the relevant people at the club?
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 27, 2016 15:44:00 GMT
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 27, 2016 17:28:50 GMT
Having read through this thread, I think it would be good if these experiences were communicated direct to the club (Anthony.emmerson@stokecityfc.com) and to the supporters council, and the FSF info@fsf.org.uk
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 27, 2016 17:36:04 GMT
But they are absolutely brilliant at manipulating the media and local politicians and presenting themselves as Victims aren't they? Showed their true colours tonight. Hypocritical cunts. If this is a reference to Hillsborough, I think it's inappropriate. Within a few weeks we will see what the Inquest jury concludes about the causes of the deaths of the 96 fans, but in any case I don't think it's reasonable to make any link between failings in advance planning and stewarding by LFC at Anfield last night with what happened at a different ground 27 years ago.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 27, 2016 17:42:30 GMT
I was not at Anfield. As for the 'new breed of fan comment' totally true, didn't follow football or Stoke City till our promotion season in fact. Never lived in Stoke or had family in Stoke even. Utter glory fan me. That said I have a right to my opinion and it's just as valuable as yours or Benji's or anyone elses. I find your attitude towards the Hillsborough disaster abhorrent, doesn't matter which club it is, which set of fans it is. A huge amount of people died and you should show some fucking respect, I haven't mentioned or alluded to tonight's events in any way whatsoever and I haven't criticized either set of fans. You should be ashamed of yourself, you're a grown man acting like a child. The only fans disrespecting those that died at Hillsborough tonight were the thousands who STOOD ON THE KOP. We have all seater stadiums because of the Liverpool fans who died and yet today's Liverpool fans are sticking two fingers up to their memory by standing every game. BM I don't agree at all with this, because it is based on the assumption that the deaths at Hillsborough were caused by standing. We will see in a few weeks what the inquest jury concludes about the causes of those deaths. But if standing is disrespectful to those who died ( which I don't agree with) then it applies equally to the fans of any club who stand, including us, where almost our entire away support stands at almost every away game.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 27, 2016 17:44:54 GMT
This isn't a slight on anyone who didn't go, but if you had, you'd have seen how people could think it could turn out Hilssboroughesque. Remarkably we managed to get in on time, but even before another 1200 Stokies turned up it crossed my mind.
It's not being disrespectful to the 96 either, it legitimately seemed like there could have been a massive fucking chaotic crush (but outside).
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Post by no1972 on Jan 27, 2016 17:46:20 GMT
Maybe we will not moan as much about the Brit anymore,I was lucky and arrived earlier in the day,the buses turning up late did not help but staying in the pub till 7.30 did not help some people.
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Post by leicspotter on Jan 27, 2016 17:46:50 GMT
It was because the coaches were late arriving and all 1,200 fans congregated at the turnstiles at exactly the same time, plus the automated turnstiles seemed to be on a go slow. Why they didn't delay the kick off till 20.00 I don't know, the police around me were good as gold despite the odd Stoke fan acting like complete dicks in the queue Agreed. Coppers around the queue I was in were sound, even though one or two of our number were getting a bit lairy. Stewards were searching fans going in, but I was let through unchecked...I am old and look harmless I can't comment on the organisation or lack of it, but it did seem that officials outside the ground were well aware that up to 2000 Stoke fans were still outside at the appointed KO time and some action was probably called for I wasn't on the coaches but the traffic earlier had been horrendous, so no surprise many were late...that being the case, and the coaches being OFFICIAL transport, is there no communication between them and either club? Took us 3 hours plus from Leicester (leaving at 2.30), ironically we got back at 2.30 (just the 12 hours in all) Proud of the team and the support we gave them last night! Goarn Stoke!!
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Post by meladben on Jan 27, 2016 17:59:00 GMT
But they are absolutely brilliant at manipulating the media and local politicians and presenting themselves as Victims aren't they? Showed their true colours tonight. Hypocritical cunts. If this is a reference to Hillsborough, I think it's inappropriate. Within a few weeks we will see what the Inquest jury concludes about the causes of the deaths of the 96 fans, but in any case I don't think it's reasonable to make any link between failings in advance planning and stewarding by LFC at Anfield last night with what happened at a different ground 27 years ago. i get the whole insensitivity thing and how terrible the 96 died on that tragic day we all have our own opinions on the blame game ,my point is this ,given the fact those 96 died supporting this club you'd think they would be one of the most forward thinking clubs in the country if not the world regarding supporter safety ....evidently not
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 27, 2016 18:01:25 GMT
I was not at Anfield. As for the 'new breed of fan comment' totally true, didn't follow football or Stoke City till our promotion season in fact. Never lived in Stoke or had family in Stoke even. Utter glory fan me. That said, I find your attitude towards the Hillsborough disaster abhorrent, doesn't matter which club it is, which set of fans it is. A huge amount of people died and you should show some fucking respect, I haven't mentioned or alluded to tonight's events in any way whatsoever and I haven't criticized either set of fans. You should be ashamed of yourself, you're a grown man acting like a child. Yeah..a huge number of fans died because thousands got in without tickets by breaking down the gates at the Leppers Lane End of Hillsborough.. Same Old Dippers.. Always Victims. We will see what the inquest jury concludes about the causes of the deaths but I don't think there is any dispute that the gates were opened by the police, not broken down by fans. I would recommend anyone who is really interested in the evidence on the facts of what happened, including the allegations about large numbers of ticketless fans, to read the report of the Independent panel. I've read all 400 pages and I think it's an excellent piece of work forensically examining all the evidence.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 27, 2016 18:10:24 GMT
If this is a reference to Hillsborough, I think it's inappropriate. Within a few weeks we will see what the Inquest jury concludes about the causes of the deaths of the 96 fans, but in any case I don't think it's reasonable to make any link between failings in advance planning and stewarding by LFC at Anfield last night with what happened at a different ground 27 years ago. i get the whole insensitivity thing and how terrible the 96 died on that tragic day we all have our own opinions on the blame game ,my point is this ,given the fact those 96 died supporting this club you'd think they would be one of the most forward thinking clubs in the country if not the world regarding supporter safety ....evidently not I would hope that ALL clubs would operate proper standards of stewarding and safety. Having read through the thread, it seems to me that there should be an investigation into what went wrong last night and why (that should include whether any consideration was given to delaying the kick-off). I hope that fans who experienced it will send those experiences to stoke City FC., anthony.emmerson@stokecityfc.com and the FSF, info@fsf.org.uk and the supporters council.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 27, 2016 18:14:21 GMT
Absolute disgrace, got in after 25mins had passed, on questioning a steward on what had happened with no malice or blame I was told to shut the fuck up by the overly aggressive steward pointing his stubby fat finger in my face. When telling him to calm down he asked a policeman to remove me from the que and remove my ticket fortunately for me the copper had witnessed the whole event and told him he had no right to not grant me entrance to the stadium. Absolute joke what happened and no way 1500-2000 fans should be missing 20-30 mins in one of the clubs biggest ever games. An official complaint should be made and I'd expect an apology from Liverpool as a minimum. I mentioned my experience in the other thread. The stewards were a disgrace. Both In the first half, one steward started screaming at me because I couldn't move further into the row. He asked once then just blew a gasket and was shouting and swearing at me. I didn't see him after Then a few mins later another steward, older fella probably 40s put his forehead into my mates (again his issue was with standing) and then tried to call for backup. Utterly deplorable behaviour from the stewards.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 27, 2016 18:17:29 GMT
I think Stoke City should take a look at their role in this as well. Quite clearly the Coaches left too late.
We left at the same time but went via Chester, M53 and Tunnel route. Parked up at 6:40, walked to the ground, grabbed something to eat and in the ground at 7:10. No problem.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 27, 2016 18:18:11 GMT
They are always the victims it's never there fault
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Post by kronkie on Jan 27, 2016 18:19:21 GMT
Malcolm, where can I get a copy of this independent report, is it online?
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