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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 12:25:53 GMT
He's shit though, don't forget. The Oatcake said so. To be fair, our results when he has started games have been shit. It's not 'The Oatcake', it's facts. If he continues to improve then fair enough, but don't bullshit like he's been decent since day 1. Sorry, but he's been panned on here as a player from day one. Not our results, or our performances, but 'him' as a player. He's young and inexperienced, but as I've said before, it absolutely wouldn't surprise me if within a few seasons, he's a fixture in a good European club's midfield. I can't remember much that he's done wrong, but for whatever reason, some have made their mind up about him. Certain facets of his game are already over-and-above those that our alternative CMs have and he's still a raw young lad in experience terms. He's one that I'd be securing for the future if the deal was right, because from where I'm stood, within 18 months we are going to need 3 or 4 players in to fulfil the CM spots. Whelan is ageing; MVG isn't our player; Adam is...well...Adam; Sidwell has gone; Ireland won't be far behind; Cameron isn't a CM; I'm not 110% convinced that Afellay is either. So I think that we could do worse than including MVG in our pool of 'fresh blood'.
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Post by foster on Jan 27, 2016 12:30:41 GMT
To be fair, our results when he has started games have been shit. It's not 'The Oatcake', it's facts. If he continues to improve then fair enough, but don't bullshit like he's been decent since day 1. Sorry, but he's been panned on here as a player from day one. Not our results, or our performances, but 'him' as a player. He's young and inexperienced, but as I've said before, it absolutely wouldn't surprise me if within a few seasons, he's a fixture in a good European club's midfield. I can't remember much that he's done wrong, but for whatever reason, some have made their mind up about him. Certain facets of his game are already over-and-above those that our alternative CMs have and he's still a raw young lad in experience terms. He's one that I'd be securing for the future if the deal was right, because from where I'm stood, within 18 months we are going to need 3 or 4 players in to fulfil the CM spots. Whelan is ageing; MVG isn't our player; Adam is...well...Adam; Sidwell has gone; Ireland won't be far behind; Cameron isn't a CM; I'm not 110% convinced that Afellay is either. So I think that we could do worse than including MVG in our pool of 'fresh blood'. Fair enough. I wouldn't mind signing him as 'potential' as long as the fee isn't ridiculous. Your point regarding the aging midfield is a good one. Whelan, Adam, Sidwell, Ireland and Afellay are all 29+.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 12:35:10 GMT
Sorry, but he's been panned on here as a player from day one. Not our results, or our performances, but 'him' as a player. He's young and inexperienced, but as I've said before, it absolutely wouldn't surprise me if within a few seasons, he's a fixture in a good European club's midfield. I can't remember much that he's done wrong, but for whatever reason, some have made their mind up about him. Certain facets of his game are already over-and-above those that our alternative CMs have and he's still a raw young lad in experience terms. He's one that I'd be securing for the future if the deal was right, because from where I'm stood, within 18 months we are going to need 3 or 4 players in to fulfil the CM spots. Whelan is ageing; MVG isn't our player; Adam is...well...Adam; Sidwell has gone; Ireland won't be far behind; Cameron isn't a CM; I'm not 110% convinced that Afellay is either. So I think that we could do worse than including MVG in our pool of 'fresh blood'. Fair enough. I wouldn't mind signing him as 'potential' as long as the fee isn't ridiculous. Your point regarding the aging midfield is a good one. Whelan, Adam, Sidwell, Ireland and Afellay are all 29+. The fee may well depend upon how much Chelsea value him. For £4m - £5m and a sensible wage, it's not even that much of a punt. By the same token, they might see him as part of their own future.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 12:43:33 GMT
Sorry, but he's been panned on here as a player from day one. Not our results, or our performances, but 'him' as a player. He's young and inexperienced, but as I've said before, it absolutely wouldn't surprise me if within a few seasons, he's a fixture in a good European club's midfield. I can't remember much that he's done wrong, but for whatever reason, some have made their mind up about him. Certain facets of his game are already over-and-above those that our alternative CMs have and he's still a raw young lad in experience terms. He's one that I'd be securing for the future if the deal was right, because from where I'm stood, within 18 months we are going to need 3 or 4 players in to fulfil the CM spots. Whelan is ageing; MVG isn't our player; Adam is...well...Adam; Sidwell has gone; Ireland won't be far behind; Cameron isn't a CM; I'm not 110% convinced that Afellay is either. So I think that we could do worse than including MVG in our pool of 'fresh blood'. Fair enough. I wouldn't mind signing him as 'potential' as long as the fee isn't ridiculous. Your point regarding the aging midfield is a good one. Whelan, Adam, Sidwell, Ireland and Afellay are all 29+. I think it's a fair point also.
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Post by foster on Jan 27, 2016 12:53:26 GMT
Fair enough. I wouldn't mind signing him as 'potential' as long as the fee isn't ridiculous. Your point regarding the aging midfield is a good one. Whelan, Adam, Sidwell, Ireland and Afellay are all 29+. I think it's a fair point also. A fair point is quite a rare sight nowadays
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Post by potterglen on Jan 27, 2016 14:50:16 GMT
Sign him up.. the boy has something. Reminds me a little of David Platt as he glides late into the box. Despite Crouch doing ok I feel Joselu would have offered us more up top Agreed, what also stood out for me was how quiet and ineffective Shaquiri was until MVG came on, the lad can tackle cleanly, read play and dunna shirk a rumble - I'd be delighted if he was on the books, he has a bright future if he has the bottle to dump the softies in blue.
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Post by potterglen on Jan 27, 2016 14:52:51 GMT
Fair enough. I wouldn't mind signing him as 'potential' as long as the fee isn't ridiculous. Your point regarding the aging midfield is a good one. Whelan, Adam, Sidwell, Ireland and Afellay are all 29+. I think it's a fair point also. Adam, Sidwell and Ireland play like 34 yr olds, Afellay looks and runs around like a teenager - a bit like me really.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 28, 2016 10:58:47 GMT
To be fair, our results when he has started games have been shit. It's not 'The Oatcake', it's facts. If he continues to improve then fair enough, but don't bullshit like he's been decent since day 1. Sorry, but he's been panned on here as a player from day one. Not our results, or our performances, but 'him' as a player. He's young and inexperienced, but as I've said before, it absolutely wouldn't surprise me if within a few seasons, he's a fixture in a good European club's midfield. I can't remember much that he's done wrong, but for whatever reason, some have made their mind up about him. Certain facets of his game are already over-and-above those that our alternative CMs have and he's still a raw young lad in experience terms. He's one that I'd be securing for the future if the deal was right, because from where I'm stood, within 18 months we are going to need 3 or 4 players in to fulfil the CM spots. Whelan is ageing; MVG isn't our player; Adam is...well...Adam; Sidwell has gone; Ireland won't be far behind; Cameron isn't a CM; I'm not 110% convinced that Afellay is either. So I think that we could do worse than including MVG in our pool of 'fresh blood'. Premier League bad luck charms: team-by-team guideStoke City - Marco van Ginkel
Has a bigger negative impact on win rate than any other Premier League player to both play and miss at least five games. Stoke win 60 per cent of the time when Van Ginkel is absent, including victories over Man Utd, Chelsea and Man City, while they have failed to win any of the eight he has started.
Difference in win rate: -60%
Not sure that's fair on the lad, we'll never know how games would have gone if he'd started/not started and it's never down to one player for a loss (or win). Simple fact is we need more consistency.
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Post by slicko on Jan 28, 2016 11:13:23 GMT
Contracted at Chelsea until the summer of 2018, net worth £5.5 million.
Get him in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 11:35:29 GMT
^I think a big part of that is that he was starting a lot of the games in the first few months of the season.
To be fair - he doesn't seem to influence games as much as Afellay, Whelan and even Charlie and Geoff do - but this is something to work on (if given the time). He's been very bright off the bench, and (if we could get him for a good price off Chelsea) could be a big player for us IF we can develop him into a strong, box-to-box CM with an eye for goal.
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Post by foster on Jan 28, 2016 11:43:33 GMT
Sorry, but he's been panned on here as a player from day one. Not our results, or our performances, but 'him' as a player. He's young and inexperienced, but as I've said before, it absolutely wouldn't surprise me if within a few seasons, he's a fixture in a good European club's midfield. I can't remember much that he's done wrong, but for whatever reason, some have made their mind up about him. Certain facets of his game are already over-and-above those that our alternative CMs have and he's still a raw young lad in experience terms. He's one that I'd be securing for the future if the deal was right, because from where I'm stood, within 18 months we are going to need 3 or 4 players in to fulfil the CM spots. Whelan is ageing; MVG isn't our player; Adam is...well...Adam; Sidwell has gone; Ireland won't be far behind; Cameron isn't a CM; I'm not 110% convinced that Afellay is either. So I think that we could do worse than including MVG in our pool of 'fresh blood'. Premier League bad luck charms: team-by-team guideStoke City - Marco van Ginkel
Has a bigger negative impact on win rate than any other Premier League player to both play and miss at least five games. Stoke win 60 per cent of the time when Van Ginkel is absent, including victories over Man Utd, Chelsea and Man City, while they have failed to win any of the eight he has started.
Difference in win rate: -60%
Not sure that's fair on the lad, we'll never know how games would have gone if he'd started/not started and it's never down to one player for a loss (or win). Simple fact is we need more consistency. I've posted similar stats in other threads and referred to him as an Omen or Curse previously. Saying that, i'm not unhappy with his recent performances and if he improves a bit more (and we don;t lose) then I wouldn't mind getting him cheap.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 11:45:17 GMT
He said: "I came on as a number 10, and I know my qualities to make runs in behind. I could see from the bench that Peter Crouch was winning 90 per cent of the balls and you have to gamble. "I made a run, took it on my chest and I was close to the goal. I felt a little touch left and a little touch right, and maybe if I fell it would have been a penalty. But I was so close I just wanted to score. "I shot, but there was a little touch from the keeper and it hit the post. It was disappointing because I could have made the winning goal and of course I will think about that." www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Stoke-City-Marco-van-Ginkel-d-gone-Liverpool/story-28620985-detail/story.html#ixzz3yWR7xhch
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Post by miggo on Jan 28, 2016 12:06:14 GMT
I'd sign him up he has all the abilities to become that box to box partner alongside Whelan or whoever comes in to take his place in years to come.
As others have said he has potential and it's worth remember he also suffered an ACL injury that seemed to stall his Chelsea career as it was just getting started and since then it was very stop/start at Milan and with us.
Until the lad has played a good 15/20 consecutive game period we won't see the best of him but there is definitely a decent player in their somewhere.
I think at the time of signing him MH wasn't confident on Shaq signing which would have meant Affellay playing more in a wider position and more game time with MVG.
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Post by chinesedave on Jan 28, 2016 12:22:59 GMT
I like the kid, good engine, two good feet and he let's the ball do the work. Can go box to box, or is just as comfortable in the middle of the park.
Also to top it off he's great to have around the place along with the rest of the lads. Can't see Hughes losing this dressing room.
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Post by lordb on Jan 28, 2016 12:43:07 GMT
Next time I see him play I'm going to have to see what everyone else is seeing in him.
Dutch Dean Whiteahead for me.
he is young though & hasn't played a lot of Premier League.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 28, 2016 13:15:24 GMT
Seems to get into good scoring positions quite often and when he starts banging them in his fee will rise considerably!
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Post by redstriper on Jan 28, 2016 13:24:43 GMT
I'd be happy to keep him except it may stunt the opportunities for our home grown younger lads such as Shenton.
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Post by unknown182 on Jan 28, 2016 13:35:27 GMT
Let's see if Chelsea will do a two for one offer and get Loftus-Cheek in too.
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 28, 2016 13:38:06 GMT
Next time I see him play I'm going to have to see what everyone else is seeing in him. Dutch Dean Whiteahead for me. he is young though & hasn't played a lot of Premier League. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised
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Post by daviesall on Jan 28, 2016 17:23:56 GMT
not good enough in this league .been tried but no better out there at the money
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 17:31:20 GMT
Dutch Dean Whiteahead for me. Fuck me man, did you ever see DW play on the park? Different class. Put your glasses on, or actually watch MVG play.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 28, 2016 17:46:25 GMT
Seems to get into good scoring positions quite often and when he starts banging them in his fee will rise considerably! Tuesday night was his big chance. He won't get a better chance to open his account with us.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 1, 2016 17:42:40 GMT
Linked to Remy loan maybe?
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 1, 2016 17:43:45 GMT
Linked to Remy loan maybe? Ginkel out, Imbula and Remy in would be stunning business.
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Post by neddy on Feb 1, 2016 17:44:19 GMT
Crikey what is going on?!
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 1, 2016 17:45:00 GMT
It's all gone a bit mental!
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Post by LDE76 on Feb 1, 2016 17:46:12 GMT
Linked to Remy loan maybe? Sky also saying that we've "offered" Diouf to Leicester. 2 + 2 = ?
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 1, 2016 17:49:13 GMT
Linked to Remy loan maybe? Sky also saying that we've "offered" Diouf to Leicester. 2 + 2 = ? Yeah. Sounds like we're potentially willing to sacrifice MVG and Dioufy to clear our path to Remy?
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Post by dieguito88 on Feb 1, 2016 17:50:49 GMT
Sky also saying that we've "offered" Diouf to Leicester. 2 + 2 = ? Yeah. Sounds like we're potentially willing to sacrifice MVG and Dioufy to clear our path to Remy? Could work if we don't sell other players after Diouf.
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Post by neddy on Feb 1, 2016 17:52:58 GMT
FM we could buy Remy without selling Diouf and surely if MVG goes Remy would only be a loan?
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