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Post by nutterpotter on Jan 24, 2016 11:57:42 GMT
It shows how important it us for us to have Arnie, Bojan and Shaq all playing together.
The opposition will often double/triple mark one or two of them, but that will leave the third one free.
If we only have one or two of them playing, they're easily marked out of the game and we have no one else to carry our attacking threat.
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Post by barcaontrent on Jan 24, 2016 11:58:20 GMT
Shaq didn't complete a pass in the oppositions box yesterday- very telling
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jan 24, 2016 11:59:15 GMT
Arnie wasn't that special in his first season, he showed promise like Shaq though. If we keep hold of Shaqiri he will be even better next season, yesterday it was just a bad team performance.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Jan 24, 2016 12:02:06 GMT
... Has he ever beaten his fullback yet in any game? I was expecting some kind of explosive player who could leave his opponents for dead but we have seen no signs of that at all .. Oh come on Oslo, he just came back after injury - the whole team was off the ball yesterday. We're all disappointed but, to ask "has he ever beaten" someone, is a bit OTT. More importantly, "what has been his performance trend in the last half dozen or so games " might be a better question to ask? OK, no doubt he hs beaten his man on a few occasions but I don't think it is that many. There was some talk on here about how he would turn a rookie fullback like Chris Brunt inside out but it never remotely happened. I was a bit disappointed yesterday as we have heard from Swiss supporters that he is better inside than on the wing but we did not see any evidence of that. Maybe he is worth another go there if Bojan continues to under-perform. I have been more impressed with his passing than I have his pace and trickery. He just seems to be a different player than most of us thought we were getting. As he offers so little defensively, and neither it seems much of a goal threat, he needs to be "turning it on" more regularly as far as his conventional strengths are concerned. I am sure he will improve although I dont see much evidence that he will hit the heights that some of us expected.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jan 24, 2016 12:04:42 GMT
For me he offers the very real prospect of being the best player is our squad. We have, it has to e said only seen brief glimpses of this but I am absolutely convinced that the more he plays the more we shall see from him.
Some players need more time than others to adjust to playing in the Premier League and this lad hasn't been helped by the fact that his season to date has been stop start due to a few niggles along the way on top of not doing a full pre-season with us.
I agree he is not setting the world on fire on a regular basis and as such questions are understandable but even when he has not been at his best you can see the opposition doubling up on him when he is played wide and most games he is making a decent contribution.
Keep playing him and keep playing him wide and we will reap the benefits on a more regular basis.
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Post by ryan4england on Jan 24, 2016 12:05:23 GMT
For me he's got the ability, he can spot and play a dangerous pass quickly, then he'll do nothing of note for a good while. Needs to take his man on.
Lots of room for improvement imo he needs to do his thing reguarly not once a month, the same could be said for a few more aswell
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Post by liamo on Jan 24, 2016 12:07:01 GMT
We had no creativity on the pitch yesterday apart from Shaqiri and they knew that which is why Kante was allowed to follow him anywhere he went, we had pace in a mentally beaten Diouf (not his fault) and Joselu to hold the ball up and Walters to run around and press but the 3 different attacking styles just didn't work together and i doubt they ever will
With 0 creativity and 3 of our front 4 in positions that didn't suit them it was only going to end one way, for me i'd rather throw an U-21 in the team and keep our shape than force square pegs in round holes
----------Joselu--------------
--Moha----Afellay----Shaqiri--
-----V.Ginkel--Whelan---------
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jan 24, 2016 12:08:18 GMT
For me he offers the very real prospect of being the best player is our squad. We have, it has to e said only seen brief glimpses of this but I am absolutely convinced that the more he plays the more we shall see from him. Some players need more time than others to adjust to playing in the Premier League and this lad hasn't been helped by the fact that his season to date has been stop start due to a few niggles along the way on top of not doing a full pre-season with us. I agree he is not setting the world on fire on a regular basis and as such questions are understandable but even when he has not been at his best you can see the opposition doubling up on him when he is played wide and most games he is making a decent contribution. Keep playing him and keep playing him wide and we will reap the benefits on a more regular basis. If he stays for next season then I think he will really start to make a name for himself again.
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Post by mozzer on Jan 24, 2016 13:14:51 GMT
Just to give the thread a bit of balance.......... To me how good a player is or how much a player is contributing to the team is measured when the said player is missing from the line up, the words "we missed so and so today" are a fair reflection on the fans observations due to a players absence from first team action and the subsequent overall performance and possibly the result I think during shaq's season so far he has been an outstanding talent and shone in certain games but still has more to offer with consistency and also as a team player especially against crap opposition, I honestly believe that we will see the best of him on a regular occurrence before the end of this season if we can give him a run of games, if not give the man a decent pre season and hopefully we will see what we have seen with Arnie this year for all of next season barring injury, unfortunately there are areas and issues that as a team we have to overcome and help with before we see the player that we want... Problem 1 is his previous reputation proceeds him when the team sheets are released and he is subsequently marked out of the game by the more "ard" working style of teams, the more skillfull and confident teams seem to give him the space he needs currently to make his mark, he seems very reluctant to make his own space......not his fault but could be overcome with space generated by other dangerous players taking his marker. Problem 2 is his team mates are not giving him the service that he requires or making the runs in killer areas that his delivery could maximise to show us what he is capable of, he sits out on that wing for long periods of the game with no part of the play what so ever, then a ball is lofted to him that Crouchy would need step ladders to make contact with, or passed with such vigour and lack of finesse it gives the guy a weeks worth of work to bring the ball back under control before he can show any distribution, the amount of times in a match when we are on the attack where he stands looking and shouting at his team mates with his arms outstretched are unbelievable.......not his fault but could be overcome with familiarity of playing time (see problem 3) Problem 3 is his injury occurrences require a little more help as he has always been prone to Hamstring pulls, he openly admits the reason for bulking up his thighs was to limit the injury problems his earlier career was plagued by, he is certainly one player that knows the physios but I still believe that this is.......not his fault but not sure if anything else can be done to keep him on the field. Going back to my first point, do the team miss Ryan when he is out, Arnie when he is out, Pieters when he is out, do we miss Bojan etc etc.... Are we missing Shaq when he is out......... ....not JUST yet but I am sure that time will definitely come soon, patience and team work will sort his consistency issues out and give us the player that we know he is, after all the chances are that he only came here for game time and put himself in the shop window for a bigger and more lucrative champions league based team to come and get him.
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Post by ed5993 on Jan 24, 2016 13:36:48 GMT
For me it's becoming evident that he needs other excellent players around him in order to be excellent himself. He looks brilliant with our other forwards like Arnie and Bojan on form next to him - yesterday he looked average (with potential) when others are misfiring around him.
I can't think of a time yesterday where he tried to take on a defender.
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Post by canadianpotter on Jan 24, 2016 14:01:30 GMT
He's shit at corners because he has trouble beating the corner flag ????????
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Post by basingstokie on Jan 24, 2016 14:05:07 GMT
Shaqiri is phenomenally talented. Not in doubt. If he didn't have a flaw he wouldn't be anywhere near Stoke.
His flaw is consistency. We can have less talented players who deliver every week or the Swiss Messi
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 14:06:10 GMT
I think these sorts of players - e.g Bojan, Arnie, Afellay, Shak etc. cannot be relied upon throughout an entire season
they come into form and out of form - you need them all though to compete for places and play when they are on form.
put it another way I think they're all good for 6 -9 months of an arduous season and you have to accept they cannot all be 'top drawer'
- all the time
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jan 24, 2016 14:12:03 GMT
Many of the oatcake mourinho's claimed that he should be played in the hole and Hughes didn't know what he was by not playing him there. I want him on the right but if we're going to play him in the hole it's no good having no pace up top and no quality on the wings. There was no threat and it was to nullify the one player that might provide it by doubling up on him. Just highlights the squad deficiencies and the craziness of playing square pegs in round holes. Spot on.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jan 24, 2016 14:13:09 GMT
For me it's becoming evident that he needs other excellent players around him in order to be excellent himself. He looks brilliant with our other forwards like Arnie and Bojan on form next to him - yesterday he looked average (with potential) when others are misfiring around him. I can't think of a time yesterday where he tried to take on a defender. Messi would have struggled in that position yesterday.
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Post by bigcashprizes on Jan 24, 2016 14:16:21 GMT
In answer to the OP. Sexual thighs.
And moments of sublime skill. He'll end up being consistent. Just like Marko
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Post by fantasticmrfuller on Jan 24, 2016 14:16:28 GMT
Who'd want to play for some Stoke City fans? Are we not allowed to pass comment on such a player because he has a European pedigree, an exotic name, and a £12m price tag? I guarantee that if we had spent a £1m on a home-grown player that there would be universal criticism after such a series of underwhelming displays. If a one million pound homegrown player had scored that chip against Everton you'd be lining up to stick you nose up his arse now shut up
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 24, 2016 20:14:32 GMT
Shaq didn't complete a pass in the oppositions box yesterday- very telling So for the matter of fairness how many passes have been completed in the oppositions box by Bojan in games this season?
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Post by MuddyWoody on Jan 24, 2016 20:38:46 GMT
I'll repeat what I said in the "Arnautovic is shit" threads 2 years ago. Shaqiri will be an amazing player for us and has already shown moments of brilliance.
Have faith, the consistency will come. The biggest problem will be keeping hold of him, and Arnie for that matter. We need to show some ambition, in this and the next window, to do that.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 24, 2016 20:41:44 GMT
He needs to lose some muscle, I'm convinced it's slowing him down.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 20:44:15 GMT
We had no creativity on the pitch yesterday apart from Shaqiri and they knew that which is why Kante was allowed to follow him anywhere he went, we had pace in a mentally beaten Diouf (not his fault) and Joselu to hold the ball up and Walters to run around and press but the 3 different attacking styles just didn't work together and i doubt they ever will With 0 creativity and 3 of our front 4 in positions that didn't suit them it was only going to end one way, for me i'd rather throw an U-21 in the team and keep our shape than force square pegs in round holes ----------Joselu-------------- --Moha----Afellay----Shaqiri-- -----V.Ginkel--Whelan--------- Moha isn't ready.
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Post by liamo on Jan 24, 2016 20:54:50 GMT
We had no creativity on the pitch yesterday apart from Shaqiri and they knew that which is why Kante was allowed to follow him anywhere he went, we had pace in a mentally beaten Diouf (not his fault) and Joselu to hold the ball up and Walters to run around and press but the 3 different attacking styles just didn't work together and i doubt they ever will With 0 creativity and 3 of our front 4 in positions that didn't suit them it was only going to end one way, for me i'd rather throw an U-21 in the team and keep our shape than force square pegs in round holes ----------Joselu-------------- --Moha----Afellay----Shaqiri-- -----V.Ginkel--Whelan--------- Moha isn't ready. No offense to Diouf and i really don't think it's his fault but could Moha have done any worse? It's just my opinion but i'd rather we played a familiar system with 1 raw talented youngster and everyone else in positions they're familiar with and want to play instead of playing 3 out of 4 attacking players in positions they're ineffective in Only 1 of Walters, Diouf or Joselu should be on the pitch at a time and only ever upfront
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 24, 2016 20:56:01 GMT
I've said on previous threads, when Bojan, Arnie and Shaq start playing consistently well they won't be playing their football at Stoke. I'm quite happy watching inconsistent geniuses at Stoke.
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Post by ryan4england on Jan 24, 2016 21:09:22 GMT
I've said on previous threads, when Bojan, Arnie and Shaq start playing consistently well they won't be playing their football at Stoke. I'm quite happy watching inconsistent geniuses at Stoke. I'd say with this new transfer team in place that is the strategy, bring young players in cheap & sell for profit, the trick is in 'the team' being consistent with their reccomendations
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 21:38:04 GMT
No offense to Diouf and i really don't think it's his fault but could Moha have done any worse? It's just my opinion but i'd rather we played a familiar system with 1 raw talented youngster and everyone else in positions they're familiar with and want to play instead of playing 3 out of 4 attacking players in positions they're ineffective in Only 1 of Walters, Diouf or Joselu should be on the pitch at a time and only ever upfront I think so. Moha was on the bench for U21's. Nowhere near close. At least Mame is PL level
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 24, 2016 22:00:21 GMT
Arnie wasn't that special in his first season, he showed promise like Shaq though. If we keep hold of Shaqiri he will be even better next season, yesterday it was just a bad team performance. Arnie showed way more (actual performances and potential that existed) in his first season than Shaq has shown to date. I've got to be honest, I'm struggling to warm to shaqiri and i hope its simply a case of him not being 100% fit. Not played for months, no pre season, new league, blighted by a niggling injury are all factors which I hope mean there is much more to come from him. For me, to date, he doesn't work hard enough, he isn't brave enough in taking on his immediate opponent and generally he hasn't shown anywhere near the quality that most people said he had. I've also been surprised, very surprised, to see that he doesn't seem particularly quick. In a straight foot race, I cant remember ever thinking "wow, he's got the beating of him".
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jan 24, 2016 22:18:23 GMT
Arnie wasn't that special in his first season, he showed promise like Shaq though. If we keep hold of Shaqiri he will be even better next season, yesterday it was just a bad team performance. Arnie showed way more (actual performances and potential that existed) in his first season than Shaq has shown to date. I've got to be honest, I'm struggling to warm to shaqiri and i hope its simply a case of him not being 100% fit. Not played for months, no pre season, new league, blighted by a niggling injury are all factors which I hope mean there is much more to come from him. For me, to date, he doesn't work hard enough, he isn't brave enough in taking on his immediate opponent and generally he hasn't shown anywhere near the quality that most people said he had. I've also been surprised, very surprised, to see that he doesn't seem particularly quick. In a straight foot race, I cant remember ever thinking "wow, he's got the beating of him". Arnie was very poor in his first season, his shooting was diabolical, his attitude wasn't the best, yeah he had some decent games, but so has shaq.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 24, 2016 22:24:44 GMT
In the game I saw he put through some good balls into dangerous position but no one was alert enough to latch on to them. We really need Arnie,Bojan and Shaq all on the pitch and firing at the same time. The others aren't quick thinking enough to take advantage.
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Post by fca47 on Jan 24, 2016 22:29:14 GMT
His unwillingness to take defenders on is very frustrating, when you have seen he is quite capable of doing it.
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Post by Davef on Jan 24, 2016 22:37:00 GMT
Arnie showed way more (actual performances and potential that existed) in his first season than Shaq has shown to date. I've got to be honest, I'm struggling to warm to shaqiri and i hope its simply a case of him not being 100% fit. Not played for months, no pre season, new league, blighted by a niggling injury are all factors which I hope mean there is much more to come from him. For me, to date, he doesn't work hard enough, he isn't brave enough in taking on his immediate opponent and generally he hasn't shown anywhere near the quality that most people said he had. I've also been surprised, very surprised, to see that he doesn't seem particularly quick. In a straight foot race, I cant remember ever thinking "wow, he's got the beating of him". Arnie was very poor in his first season, his shooting was diabolical, his attitude wasn't the best, yeah he had some decent games, but so has shaq. If you haven't already done so, you should watch the 2013/14 Season DVD. You'll be surprised at the contribution Arnie made.
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