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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 20:19:44 GMT
Just got back.......not his game ..like other players in the team
but when it is his game.. he will be one stokes best ever!!!
Too many moaners....
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 23, 2016 20:22:16 GMT
I was actually thinking of this today. Apart from a few moments of brilliance he hasn't done all that much. His reluctance to take a man on drives me up the fucking wall, he's got the beating of most full backs in the league, but won't!! I was as excited as the next bloke when he signed but he hasn't met those expectations. But there is a lot of mitigating factors, 1 a lot of games he gets double marked. 2 the movement from the other team members when he's on the ball is absolutely shite. 3 it is a new league and country (it took Bojan a while to get up to speed remember) 4 he seems troubled with little niggly injures since he's been here which will be holding him back.
Am I writing him off (in my opinion no) but I did expect more, not saying that 'more' won't come.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Jan 23, 2016 20:33:39 GMT
I think it's a classic case of a young man, who has shifted from club to club and country to country, after being hailed as the next big thing and it all catching up with him. He's 24 years old and has played for four different clubs in four different countries in pretty much as many years. The big move from Basel to Munich blew up when a new manager came in. He then moved to a club with a tri polar manager that goes off players faster than I do the wife and then he ends up here playingin a league that does 0-60 faster than a Ferrari. You have to be pretty special to take that all on board and for it not to affect you. It's going to take time for it to all sink in and for him to kick back on again. Be prepared that it might not happen for him here at all though. Not saying it will or won't but its happened to bigger profile players than Shaqiri before now. Just get behind the lad and what will be, will be. Very good post. In fact, he is in a very similar situation to Bojan but with a (not his fault) £12m price tag. We are all behind him as you suggest, and I have no doubt he will get better but I am just making the point that I believe we have all been a bit disappointed to date, and should not be prevented from saying so.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 23, 2016 20:33:57 GMT
When he has the confidence to take on the full back he looks a different player. And he does do that in some games. Watford was the firat time he did it. He skinned Abe time and time again. He murdered man city as well. Everton away he was too cute for their young full back Galloway.
Today he had kante get away with fouling him a couple of times and he lost confidence. He didn't back himself In a foot race.
He is quick and powerful enough over twenty yards and he needs to get the ball higher up the pitch facing the full back. He struggles when he is deeper and receiving the ball with his back to the opponent. He needs to work on this side of his game and change his thinking. He needs to be looking for more passes in behind the full back on the outside or inside instead of dropping too deep to receive a pass where he is an easy target if stood on the wing.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jan 23, 2016 20:34:32 GMT
Bloody Hell he was our hero merely weeks ago. Now he's a bag of shite. Well I'm sure if we tell him that it'll help his game no end. He's an exciting and talented player and I'm delighted he's here. We surely understand that players take time...sometimes a season or more...to bed in properly. I think he's doing just fine. Today's performance was just shit by the whole team and it's wrong to single individuals out. To be fair, you're the only player who's used the phrase "bag of shite". Most people are just trying to give an honest assessment. At the moment I've been a little underwhelmed with his displays. There have been some great moments and you can see its there but it's been very hit and miss. He's still searching for consistency and we seem to be searching for his most effective role in the team. I hope we get there. I can't really disagree with that, it's just that lately it feels like every time we don't win a match we get a thread that is effectively knocking one of our players, in particular Hughes's recent signings. Shaqiri is exactly the sort of player I've been wanting to see stoke attract for...well, forever really, and it's finally happening. Where he has had underwhelming performances, it hasn't been for lack of effort and I'm confident that his "brilliant" moments will become more and more frequent as time goes on. Perhaps I'm guilty of a bit of boundless optimism, if so I'll accept that.
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Post by zigazaga on Jan 23, 2016 20:35:49 GMT
Nowt.
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Post by liamo on Jan 23, 2016 20:43:40 GMT
Why do we always have to single players out? They were all shit today, Shaq was the dogs bollocks when he tore Man C a new one and when he scored those goals against Everton, now all you twats crawl out the wood work giving him shit because we lost a game
He's only been injured and then thrown back in to a team he's not familiar with, in a position we haven't played him before being marked out the game by a very very solid CDM in Kante
Stop being twats, get behind whoever Hughes puts on the pitch an stop being nobs when we lose a game to a good team
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Post by jzime on Jan 24, 2016 1:19:41 GMT
I was as excited as anyone about this signing but I have been seriously underwhelmed with his performances to date. Today, I felt it was a good call by MH to see what he could offer in what is apparently his strongest role but he just seemed to be a luxury who was easily knocked off the ball, flitting in and out of the game as he pleased, and not offering anything more when he was switched back to the wing in the second half. Has he ever beaten his fullback yet in any game? I was expecting some kind of explosive player who could leave his opponents for dead but we have seen no signs of that at all, giving a performance today akin to those of Bojan from the last 4 games. If we are going to get away with the lower work rate from the Bojans and Shaqiris, which is less a pre-requisite in their former leagues than the Prem, then they need to produce the magic more regularly than they are doing. Otherwise we are effectively playing with 10 men when we come up against the Leicesters of this league. I recall him beating fullbacks numerous times vs Chelsea, Man City, Man United and Everton, and contributing to goals in the process.
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Post by borat on Jan 24, 2016 1:27:34 GMT
He has beat his full back numerous times, that was a stupid thing to say HOWEVER I too have been slightly underwhelmed but you can clearly see he's talented, but at the moment we are seeing it on the odd occasion, not every game.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 24, 2016 6:04:07 GMT
As a sideline a full body massage for £25
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 7:05:54 GMT
He needs a bit of space to operate in. With Bojan typically marked out of the game...Shaqs usually gets a bit more elbow room. With Arnie and Bojan back he'll be firing again.
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Post by northantsash on Jan 24, 2016 8:10:51 GMT
shaq will come good again.
as for not offering anything, i would have a look back over the season so far. short memories comes to mind.
arnie and bojan have also misfired at times this season. its just easier to point the figure at shaq because of his price tag. class is permanent, get him back properly fit and a few games in the team and it will be like a new signing!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 9:53:53 GMT
That's what happens when you gamble with a player that is possibly 65% fit
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jan 24, 2016 9:56:30 GMT
The biggest worry was that as soon as he was getting double marked, there was very little creativity anywhere else on the pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 10:00:33 GMT
Bloody Hell he was our hero merely weeks ago. Now he's a bag of shite. Well I'm sure if we tell him that it'll help his game no end. He's an exciting and talented player and I'm delighted he's here. We surely understand that players take time...sometimes a season or more...to bed in properly. I think he's doing just fine. Today's performance was just shit by the whole team and it's wrong to single individuals out. To be fair, you're the only player who's used the phrase "bag of shite". Most people are just trying to give an honest assessment. At the moment I've been a little underwhelmed with his displays. There have been some great moments and you can see its there but it's been very hit and miss. He's still searching for consistency and we seem to be searching for his most effective role in the team. I hope we get there. Sums it up for me. And you could apply all those observations to the team in general. We're not quite there are we?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 24, 2016 10:32:48 GMT
his corners are shit and that a simple cross All our crosses were bad today - just like all other aspects of our game. We have seen this before - we come out with an apparently different plan, but it seemed they (coaching staff) forgot to tell the players what the plan was. Our crosses weren't great, as with all aspects of our game today, but we could and should have scored 3 headed goals, all from excellent crosses (Josselu x2 and Diouf).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 10:47:54 GMT
He's often reluctant to use his right foot so on that basis it might be worth trying him on the left....yesterday was the ideal opportunity,with Walters on the right but Hughes had other ideas
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 24, 2016 10:57:45 GMT
I think it's more of a collective that individual problem that we have , in open games where our players have space to play we look a decent team but whe we either play teams who park the bus or play with high pressing to close us down we struggle . That's the challenge for us to overcome that I see and Shaq suffers in that way along with the vast majority of our squad.
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Post by stokecitydom on Jan 24, 2016 10:58:01 GMT
With how we lined up yesterday, our whole attacking threat was going to have to come from Shaqiri. It didn't happen for him & therefore we had nothing as an attacking unit.
For me Shaqiri has played his best football when linking up with Glen Johnson on the right. Due to our lack of options Hughes decided to play him through the middle.
Then we had Walters & Diouf on the wings, which has never worked. Neither are wingers, they just simply do not have the technical ability to take a man on/whip in a good ball.
So yesterday we had a 80% fit Shaqiri, playing in a unimaginative front 4, in a position where he has hardly featured for us.
Give the guy a break, play him on the right & when we have players who make runs (eg Arnie who he seems to be on the same wavelength) we see his quality.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 11:01:17 GMT
Forgetting those who are still wanking themselves daft that we actually signed Shaqiri for a second - he's been good in patches, but overall I've not been that impressed by him. There is obviously a lot more to come - but you can only comment on what has gone before.
On the flip side - Affelay has been outstanding, took a little while to get going but now looks a quality player.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jan 24, 2016 11:01:48 GMT
Shaqiri was given a completely thankless task yesterday.
Overall he's having a patchy season but his quality is there for all to see. He'll settle and start hitting the heights - as Arnie has consistently after a period of adjustment.
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Jan 24, 2016 11:05:01 GMT
It's not fair to suggest he hasn't taken his man on, he's turned some full backs inside out.
Classic case of expecting too much too soon for me. His price tag and pedigree (and the lack of anyone else) dictate he plays every week. I don't think that's how we'll get the best out of him at the moment.
Be patient. We've been here before.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jan 24, 2016 11:19:40 GMT
... Has he ever beaten his fullback yet in any game? I was expecting some kind of explosive player who could leave his opponents for dead but we have seen no signs of that at all .. Oh come on Oslo, he just came back after injury - the whole team was off the ball yesterday. We're all disappointed but, to ask "has he ever beaten" someone, is a bit OTT. More importantly, "what has been his performance trend in the last half dozen or so games " might be a better question to ask?
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 24, 2016 11:27:00 GMT
Many of the oatcake mourinho's claimed that he should be played in the hole and Hughes didn't know what he was by not playing him there.
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Post by march4 on Jan 24, 2016 11:28:09 GMT
He had a 'mare yesterday.
We had a corner in front of us Stokies. He did the fist pump thing as he ran to take it and we responded. He then kicked the ball straight out for a goal kick.
Every game I get more and more frustrated with him.
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Post by thehoof on Jan 24, 2016 11:47:39 GMT
Forgetting those who are still wanking themselves daft that we actually signed Shaqiri for a second - he's been good in patches, but overall I've not been that impressed by him. There is obviously a lot more to come - but you can only comment on what has gone before. On the flip side - Affelay has been outstanding, took a little while to get going but now looks a quality player. Not looking to fall out with anyone here, but in what way has Affelay been outstanding? Assists- zero, goals-zero?Affelay is decent but on yesterday's performance where 2 Leicester players dominated Stoke's 3, Kante produced more threat in 90 minutes than Affelay has managed. We did'nt spend £12m on Affelay, but Shaqiri has probably contributed 4 points(the passes for Arnie against Man C. & his goals at Everton), and as I've said elsewhere, Affelay is neat and tidy, but I've yet to see him grab a game and dictate play.With a bit of luck, he might dominate on Tuesday. For me our midfield does not move the ball quickly enough, and rarely moves it forward.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 11:49:02 GMT
Shaqiri was given a completely thankless task yesterday. Overall he's having a patchy season but his quality is there for all to see. He'll settle and start hitting the heights - as Arnie has consistently after a period of adjustment. Spot on Rob.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 11:50:31 GMT
Shaqiri was given a completely thankless task yesterday. Overall he's having a patchy season but his quality is there for all to see. He'll settle and start hitting the heights - as Arnie has consistently after a period of adjustment. This, and this again.
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Post by warringtonstokie on Jan 24, 2016 11:52:13 GMT
It's no coincidence that Arnautovic's brilliant form started after Shaq started playing, every single game he's double or triple marked which of course nullifies his threat most of the time (except against more attacking teams when he's not grouped up on) but in turn give Arnie in particular the time and space on the left to create.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 24, 2016 11:54:55 GMT
Many of the oatcake mourinho's claimed that he should be played in the hole and Hughes didn't know what he was by not playing him there. I want him on the right but if we're going to play him in the hole it's no good having no pace up top and no quality on the wings. There was no threat and it was to nullify the one player that might provide it by doubling up on him. Just highlights the squad deficiencies and the craziness of playing square pegs in round holes.
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