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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Jan 18, 2016 14:45:06 GMT
I wasn't at the match. When did the chant actually first begin? Was it the corner kick, or was it when someone kicked him up the arse in the first half and he started limping? If the latter then surely it can be explained away as a bit of match commentary. I believe that when the Stokies involved sang "Aaron Ramsey, he walks with a limp" the were referring to the way he walks due to how much money he earns and having so much cash in his pocket, thus giving him an appearance of someone with a limp. Either that or because he's so very brave and has humongous testicles, thus making him walk slightly odd & with the appearance of a limp.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 18, 2016 14:52:37 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Jan 18, 2016 14:53:12 GMT
The photos say it all
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Post by salopstick on Jan 18, 2016 14:53:40 GMT
This is the sort of club we are not cunts like them
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Post by armitagestokie on Jan 18, 2016 14:53:52 GMT
Fans by me added 'dick' at the end I thought that was better.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 18, 2016 14:55:56 GMT
I wasn't at the match. When did the chant actually first begin? Was it the corner kick, or was it when someone kicked him up the arse in the first half and he started limping? If the latter then surely it can be explained away as a bit of match commentary. To give an accurate answer lol. He was hounding the ref very early on which wound people up, then he went down a bit easily and started hobbling as he got back up.
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Post by bounderboy on Jan 18, 2016 14:56:12 GMT
OK.... I'm going to spell out a few home truths here.... special snowflakes like thehoof should probably head off and read the Guardian. We can say what we want about Arsenal fans, but I'll tell you one thing they are.... UNITED. They are united in their utter hatred of Stoke City, Stoke City fans, Ryan Shawcross and anything else associated with our football club. When it comes to matchday, if Stoke City are the opposition, then anything goes. Comments about 'kicking' pregnant women are acceptable, utterly despicable remarks about Stoke fans are acceptable, and calls for Ryan Shawcross to be dead are not only acceptable, but are encouraged. They are completely united in their hatred of Stoke City, and for that alone, they are one upping us here. Ryan Shawcross is a family man, a married man, he has children. He once made a mistake in a football match, a mistake that has followed him around for 6 years and for that single mistake, Arsenal fans will happily chant "Ryan Shawcross, we wish you were dead" along with various other awful awful chants. This a man with children. They really want his kids to grow up without a daddy? They want his wife to be left widowed, all because he once made the mistake of injuring one of their special little players (who btw has gone on to be a far better player than before?) As a fanbase, they are totally united in wanting the worst fate to befall Ryan Shawcross, this comment took 5 seconds to find on their forum, I just scrolled back through their current thread: www.goonersworld.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1336954#p1336954Yet OUR supporters are not united at all. Vis Unita Fortior? When fucknuggets like spitthedog are ready to flog our own supporters for, let's be honest, one of the dumbest chants we've ever come up with. Can I remind you, that Aaron Ramsey as a professional athlete, not only runs faster than anyone on this forum, but runs further distance, plays football at a significantly higher level and is no doubt quite capable of walking without a limp. It's a stupid chant and even when taken at face value it's completely pathetic. A broken leg doesn't result in a failure to ever walk again, not that you'd fucking know it if you take the media's view on it. They are quick to tear shreds into our support and for some reason, we have own set of fans hell-bent on destroying this once strong and solid fanbase. Ramsey himself is only partly to blame for his sycophantic actions with regards to the media. He does enjoy bringing it up at every possible opportunity and describing it as the worst thing that could happen to someone on a football pitch. As an educational experience for Aaron, I've got a really good idea. I think Aaron "it's the worst thing that can happy on a football pitch, even though Muamba had a heart attack about two weeks ago" Ramsey should meet a few war vets from Iraq and Afghanistan. Men and women without arms, men and women without legs. People horrifically injured, who will never live a normal life again. He walks with a limp does he? Some of these men can't walk at all, and yet he continues to talk about his injury as some kind of life threatening incident. It wasn't Aaron and if you're so thin skinned that a poxy chant, by people who earn significantly less than you, hurts your feelings that much, maybe you should see the kind of injuries men who are paid significantly less than you, suffer in the line of fire and conflict. Here's another home truth. I spoke of nothing being off limit with Arsenal fans.... and you do realize why? For Stoke fans, seeing Arsenal fuck up and lose the title is probably the line in-which our dislike of Arsenal and their odious fanbase ends. On the other hand, they really would stop at nothing to see us wiped off the face of the earth and I genuinely mean that. This isn't me being all 'victimy' or crybaby, this is simply pointing out a genuine fact. The fact they hate us that much doesn't bother me at all, but at the same time, having our own fans seemingly support Arsenal in this very bitter relationship is not a good thing. To put it into context, it wouldn't surprise me if a petition is started in a few days to see Stoke kicked out of the football league and into oblivion. Now I know such a daft petition is not legally enforceable, but you can be sure that it would be signed by thousands and thousands of Arsenal fans. It demonstrates the contempt they have for us and our fanbase. And the irony of it all? While they're offended by a pathetic and pointless chant aimed at a professional athlete, it's fair game to mock disabled children who support Stoke: www.goonersworld.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1336700#p1336700Not a word condemning those views by the way, it's alright, I've already done the searching through. ........................and yet we have fans like spitthedog who are seemingly on a mission to divide this fanbase. If you want to support Arsenal then by all means, hop in the car and head down to London, you will not be missed. 110% bang on, thank you for writing what I couldn't be bothered to say. I can promise you that the entire Arsenal fan base WOULD be as split on what is deemed acceptable at/before/after a football match as Stoke fans are; with some morally unacceptable and un-reprehensible to others that are completely devoid of any animosity towards other fans. To say they are united in hatred of Stoke City and that every Arsenal fan condones the terrible things that "individual" Arsenal fans say on match day is ridiculous as it is abhorrent..
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Post by metalhead on Jan 18, 2016 14:57:53 GMT
You know nothing about me and you're in no place to pass judgement on my level of intellect when your post is barely legible. Did I actually say that I condoned the chant? Did I say that I was one of those who joined in? I didn't actually. However, as a fanbase, we should NOT be flogging other fans because you happen to support Arsenal, sorry, happen to think those chants are 'offensive'. Christopher Hitchens used to say "if someone calls me offensive, I ask them what is their point". They are very united in their hatred of us and that, right now, is better than what we seem to have, which is people like yourself, hell bent on destroying this once united fanbase. I have absolutely no time for people like yourself; people who would rather side with the enemy than defend their own. You're a joke. to be fair mate (and i know how much you really don't like Arsenal regardless of how much you try to hide it and you also know how much i tend to agree with your posts in general), i think you need to calm down a tad here! yes, there was no need for him to presume to know you, but to accuse someone of trying to destroy the entire unity of the SCFC fanbase simply because they don't like 1 chant????? slight touch of hyperbole there methinks mate...your hatred of Arsenal (understandable though it is) is clouding your judgment a bit here metalhead. surely the same accusation could be levelled at you by him couldn't it??? not EVERY chant is going to be taken on wholesale by any support of any team..that doesn't destroy their unity......if the majority of Liverpool fans sang the Munich song (rather than a minority) would you level that accusation at another Liverpool fan who wanted them to stop it? of course not, it's a ludicrous thing to suggest!!!!! a united fanbase isn't, never has been and never will be based on a chant or a hatred of anyone or anything! that isn't what supporting a team is about...what unites us is our love of OUR team not our hatred of others FFS!!!!! I've missed you mick.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 18, 2016 14:58:50 GMT
110% bang on, thank you for writing what I couldn't be bothered to say. I can promise you that the entire Arsenal fan base WOULD be as split on what is deemed acceptable at/before/after a football match as Stoke fans are; with some morally unacceptable and un-reprehensible to others that are completely devoid of any animosity towards other fans. To say they are united in hatred of Stoke City and that every Arsenal fan condones the terrible things that "individual" Arsenal fans say on match day is ridiculous as it is abhorrent.. Is it really abhorrent? It's an opinion, my opinion and I base it on what I see.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 18, 2016 15:16:55 GMT
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jan 18, 2016 15:20:30 GMT
'You're telling me something that I'm completely unaware of. I've no idea that chant had taken place, but we wouldn't approve of it at all,' Coates told the Guardian. Hardly slamming us
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Post by dexta on Jan 18, 2016 15:23:48 GMT
world hasn't gone soft...some stoke fans have ffs its a song who gives a fuck what the media arsenal piers morgan think fuck em...does the shit shawcross take get highlighted does it fuck...
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 18, 2016 15:30:59 GMT
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Post by thehoof on Jan 18, 2016 15:34:29 GMT
You really are an eloquent man. What passes for intelligence these days, is quite frightening.Does Ryan Shawcross ask you to fight his battles for him?The whole point of what has been said is that Wenger and Arsenal get air time to put over there bile, whereas SCFC don't. However when a game is live on TV and the public actually get to hear the vitriol for themselves, guess where they hear it from-yeah the hard men like metalhead, who seem to thunk that this sort of behaviour is acceptable. Once you've flown off into a rage, you're well on the way to losing the argu anyway. I take it Snowflake is meant in a derogatory manner, well that's okay, having read your post several times, I wouldn't even allow you to try and teach my dog to sit, of should I say "f****** sit." You know nothing about me and you're in no place to pass judgement on my level of intellect when your post is barely legible. Did I actually say that I condoned the chant? Did I say that I was one of those who joined in? I didn't actually. However, as a fanbase, we should NOT be flogging other fans because you happen to support Arsenal, sorry, happen to think those chants are 'offensive'. Christopher Hitchens used to say "if someone calls me offensive, I ask them what is their point". They are very united in their hatred of us and that, right now, is better than what we seem to have, which is people like yourself, hell bent on destroying this once united fanbase. I have absolutely no time for people like yourself; people who would rather side with the enemy than defend their own. You're a joke. And you sir, are a truffle snuffler.I have no desire to engage in verbal jousting with an oik such as yourself, as this will reduce me to the level of truffle snuffler also. Have many happy hours chanting your small minded jibes, but bear in mind you are no better than those whom you seek to denigrate; in fact your jib is cut from the same cloth. I do hope that you have been able to get the gist. Just off to melt.7
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 15:41:02 GMT
Sky sports etc banging on again about the Shawcross/Ramsay incident and the chant from Stoke fans. Who did Sky have on airing his views. None other than Paul Ince, one of the dirtiest,cowardly fuckers ever to play in the prem. Watched the game again when I got home and 5 mins in the incident was again mentioned by the commentator. Completely unnecessary. Only decent thing regards the post match analysis was the interview with Petr Cech and Jack.
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Post by chayzenbacon on Jan 18, 2016 15:48:51 GMT
I wasn't at the match. When did the chant actually first begin? Was it the corner kick, or was it when someone kicked him up the arse in the first half and he started limping? If the latter then surely it can be explained away as a bit of match commentary. It was when he felt a bit of contact from another player and he put on an exaggerated limp, as is the Arsenal way. I'm amazed this thread has got so far without this being mentioned.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 18, 2016 15:50:08 GMT
You know nothing about me and you're in no place to pass judgement on my level of intellect when your post is barely legible. Did I actually say that I condoned the chant? Did I say that I was one of those who joined in? I didn't actually. However, as a fanbase, we should NOT be flogging other fans because you happen to support Arsenal, sorry, happen to think those chants are 'offensive'. Christopher Hitchens used to say "if someone calls me offensive, I ask them what is their point". They are very united in their hatred of us and that, right now, is better than what we seem to have, which is people like yourself, hell bent on destroying this once united fanbase. I have absolutely no time for people like yourself; people who would rather side with the enemy than defend their own. You're a joke. And you sir, are a truffle snuffler.I have no desire to engage in verbal jousting with an oik such as yourself, as this will reduce me to the level of truffle snuffler also. Have many happy hours chanting your small minded jibes, but bear in mind you are no better than those whom you seek to denigrate; in fact your jib is cut from the same cloth. I do hope that you have been able to get the gist. Just off to melt.7 I really have no idea what you're babbling on about. One cannot keep up with your superior intellect. I like the term oik though. It's what private school boys used to call the working class lads back in the day... and now you're using it
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Post by salopstick on Jan 18, 2016 15:51:00 GMT
There is a brilliant interview with SSN and some footballer scholar on now.
He's telling them in no uncertain language that what Stoke fans did was unpleasant but acceptable
A bit more to it than that but SSN OBVIOUSLY wanted him to condemn us and quickly moved on when he didn't. I don't know if they will repeat it
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 18, 2016 15:52:52 GMT
Going back to the OP it was a vile song and made us appear classless. I don't want to be tarred with the same brush as those who thought it's acceptable to sing about a possible career ending injury suffered at the hands (well feet) of one of our players regardless of Ryans intent at the time. Its things like this that drag the club and the decent supporters into the gutter. Gouranga. It's not vile though is it? It would be vile if he walked with a limp but he doesn't. It would be vile if Shawcross had deliberately set out to injure him but he didn't. It would be vile if it had ruined his career but it didn't. It would be vile if Ramsey hadn't thrown Ryan's attempted apology back at him, but he did. It would be vile if Arsene Wenger hadn't cynically & opportunistic labelled Ryan and his team mates thugs, ignored the fact that it was an accident and used the incident to rally his team around Ramsey's "cause" as if he & they were martyrs. It might be vile if the media didn't bring it up at every opportunity, refuse to let it drop and always, without fail, present the Arsenal perspective on it, but they do. The media has this completely out of perspective, there's no need for Stoke fans to do that. Yes it was a fucking vile chant no matter how you want to try and justify it and it drew attention to the incident that no one else had brought up, it made Stoke and ALL its supporters appear classless and I want fuck all to do with it. Gouranga.
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Post by thehoof on Jan 18, 2016 15:54:47 GMT
That's quite right young man.We Oxbridge types like to keep in touch with the down to earth element.Toodle pip.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 18, 2016 15:55:24 GMT
I really can't believe this has made national headlines. The fucking state of modern football is a joke.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jan 18, 2016 15:57:13 GMT
There is a brilliant interview with SSN and some footballer scholar on now. He's telling them in no uncertain language that what Stoke fans did was unpleasant but acceptable A bit more to it than that but SSN OBVIOUSLY wanted him to condemn us and quickly moved on when he didn't. I don't know if they will repeat it It was a pisser how they were really expecting him to slate us for it, but he pretty much said "It's fine by me" instead
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Post by metalhead on Jan 18, 2016 15:57:35 GMT
That's quite right young man.We Oxbridge types like to keep in touch with the down to earth element.Toodle pip.
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Post by crownmeking on Jan 18, 2016 15:58:58 GMT
You know nothing about me and you're in no place to pass judgement on my level of intellect when your post is barely legible. Did I actually say that I condoned the chant? Did I say that I was one of those who joined in? I didn't actually. However, as a fanbase, we should NOT be flogging other fans because you happen to support Arsenal, sorry, happen to think those chants are 'offensive'. Christopher Hitchens used to say "if someone calls me offensive, I ask them what is their point". They are very united in their hatred of us and that, right now, is better than what we seem to have, which is people like yourself, hell bent on destroying this once united fanbase. I have absolutely no time for people like yourself; people who would rather side with the enemy than defend their own. You're a joke. And you sir, are a truffle snuffler.I have no desire to engage in verbal jousting with an oik such as yourself, as this will reduce me to the level of truffle snuffler also. Have many happy hours chanting your small minded jibes, but bear in mind you are no better than those whom you seek to denigrate; in fact your jib is cut from the same cloth. I do hope that you have been able to get the gist. Just off to melt.7 How dare you call him an oik? That is vile and disgusting, you must have something wrong with your moral compass, to be calling people names, especially when he didn't get personal with you. Keep your small minded jibes to yourself and bear in mind you are no better than those you seek to denigrate, in fact your jib is cut from the same cloth (whatever the fuck that means).
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Post by salopstick on Jan 18, 2016 15:59:51 GMT
There is a brilliant interview with SSN and some footballer scholar on now. He's telling them in no uncertain language that what Stoke fans did was unpleasant but acceptable A bit more to it than that but SSN OBVIOUSLY wanted him to condemn us and quickly moved on when he didn't. I don't know if they will repeat it It was a pisser how they were really expecting him to slate us for it, but he pretty much said "It's fine by me" instead and at least SSN are telling the world via their ticker that's it's purely because he refused the apology Apart from Arsenal cunts most football fans will accept and understand that. Roll on next season or hopefully a cup game at the Brit this
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 18, 2016 16:03:29 GMT
There is a brilliant interview with SSN and some footballer scholar on now. He's telling them in no uncertain language that what Stoke fans did was unpleasant but acceptable A bit more to it than that but SSN OBVIOUSLY wanted him to condemn us and quickly moved on when he didn't. I don't know if they will repeat it They've been desperately trying to stir the shit all afternoon without success. He's the second 'expert' they've wheeled out that I've seen with the clear intention of slagging us off and on each occasion the 'expert' said that whilst it wasn't very pleasant it was acceptable and in no way out of the ordinary (I've paraphrased it clearly but that was the gist). I tend to agree. It wasn't pleasant and I didn't join in but fuck me there's some very high horses being ridden round today.
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Post by thehoof on Jan 18, 2016 16:05:52 GMT
And you sir, are a truffle snuffler.I have no desire to engage in verbal jousting with an oik such as yourself, as this will reduce me to the level of truffle snuffler also. Have many happy hours chanting your small minded jibes, but bear in mind you are no better than those whom you seek to denigrate; in fact your jib is cut from the same cloth. I do hope that you have been able to get the gist. Just off to melt.7 How dare you call him an oik? That is vile and disgusting, you must have something wrong with your moral compass, to be calling people names, especially when he didn't get personal with you. Keep your small minded jibes to yourself and bear in mind you are no better than those you seek to denigrate, in fact your jib is cut from the same cloth (whatever the fuck that means). The oiks are indeed revolting.I was cut to the quick to be referred to as a Snowflake, and then worse, to be classified as a joke. Mortally wounded - thank God that we probably won't have to play Mr.Wenger's verminous mob again this season, otherwise things could get very testy.
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Post by pires7 on Jan 18, 2016 16:05:55 GMT
Hi guys, Arsenal fan comes in peace!
Firstly, I just wanted to congratulate you chaps on a decent season so far. Hughes has got you playing some exciting football and i've obviously cheered you on several times this season against our rivals.
Onto this old chestnut - At the time of the incident (cant believe it was 6 years ago already, i'm getting so old:() I was obviously furious and calling Ryan every single name under the sun, but even then I accepted that it was more a freak accident than any kind of mallice. 6 years later, I cannot understand why fans (from both clubs) are still so bitter and hung up on something that happens in contact sport fairly regularly.
Like many have stressed on here, Ramsey didn't die and although I was upset at the time, I quickly realised he would undergo surgery and rehab at the hands of some of the best medical professionals in the business. He has access to medical care and rehabilitation/physios that most of us couldn't even dream of. I used to play a lot of sunday league football and I am a complete waif (5'8 and built like a beanpole) but I used to absolutely love the physical side of things and a scrappy game. I used to get brutally taken out (usually fairly) and I would only cry about it if the tackle was really intentionally reckless. Otherwise, the odd shove, elbow off the ball was what it was all about? let them know you're there etc.
I cannot understand the modern mindset of people who want to completely erase contact/tackling from football and cry about it when teams get a little physical against us. It's embarrassing to be honest and i'm not trying to be a hardman, because i'm really not haha, but if i was getting roughed up in a game, I would either play harder (to make them look stupid) or i would get physical back and the rest of the team would fight for eachother. I'm tired of our fans whining at every hard tackle.
We absolutely hate playing you guys at The Brittania. You can see it in our body language and the way we get so nervous. I love the Emirates as work of architecture, but I have to say I am very jealous of your atmosphere. The Emirates is only like that at select moments throughout the season - our away fans are pretty good though..shame its so hard for the working class Arsenal fan to get a ticket.
You guys didnt even get particularly physical with us yesterday, you played good football and it was a pretty even match all things considered. We were hanging on in the second half towards the end and it could've gone either way.
As for the Ramsey chants - well its just banter in my opinion. He makes his millions, i'm sure he can put up with randoms shouting at him for 180 minutes per year and like others have said, there are FAR worse chants out there.
Anyway, that's my two-cents on the issue. Not all of us Arsenal fans are complete bellends!
I wish you luck for the rest of the season and hope you can dump Liverpool out of the league cup, not to mention take some more points off our rivals:)
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Post by badger on Jan 18, 2016 16:06:50 GMT
The ginga ninja and fatty Quinn are due to stick the boot in, circa 4.30pm on talkshite.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 18, 2016 16:10:13 GMT
As the great Declan MacManus once said "Yesterday's news is tomorrow's fish and chip paper".
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