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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 13:08:03 GMT
^^Very true. Personally, it's a non-issue. I think the over-reaction from the Arse fans has put a couple of our own fans on edge, and has subsequently turned in a competition of "my morals are better than yours". Let's look forward to Saturday's match, against another (albeit far less deplorable) title-chasing team Nobody's going to get upset if we sing a song about Vardy looking like Albert Steptoe are they? Exactly.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 18, 2016 13:08:09 GMT
If you review the tackle on youtube, Bendtner petulantly takes a double swipe at Ryan's ankles from behind (no intention to win the ball, just sheer petulance), not only slowing him down but forcing Ryan to readjust his feet. Without the foul by Bendtner Ryan almost certainly would've won the ball cleanly. I could sit here and argue that Bendtner is actually culpable, but if this had happened to any other club but arsenal we wouldn't be sat here 6 years later discussing this, it would've been long buried in the past. I don't even remember who broke Delap's leg and I don't care. Look at the class with how Man United dealt with Shaw's injury, and that's arguably the only other club in England with comparative media-influence. And to think, these slimy cunts have the gall to accuse others of being classless. The way Man Utd dealt with the Shaw injury showed that, despite our hate for them, they know how to be classy in such a situation. Told their fans not to abuse the opposition player, didn't make a big meal out of it.... Yet 6 years on, Arsenal, the media, and commentators still talk about Ramsey. They love it. Always the victims.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 18, 2016 13:08:28 GMT
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Post by staffsvilla on Jan 18, 2016 13:09:03 GMT
I can't believe the reaction to this both in the media and on here, it's just a slightly distasteful chant, nothing more,nothing less, if it was something really offensive I could understand but for that This is what I have heard sung and class as offensive :- Liverpool and others to Utd "who's that dying on the runway" Various to Spurs "Spurs are on their way to Belson,Hitler's gonna gas 'em again" Utd to Liverpool "without killing anyone, we've won it 3 times" Us to Blues "Cisse's family's at the bottom of the sea" "Tracey Andrews is our friend,she kills blues fans" I could list loads more and worse than what I have but my point is its a lot of hot air over nothing really, he don't limp, he don't seem bothered about it, move on because its definitely not worth you lot falling out among yourselves over it ! You are so right staffs. What nobody gets is that our gripes with that cuntstain of a club runs so much deeper than what meets the eye. The power that that club holds over the media, as a result of the hoardes of vermin that infect every corner of social-media, is what causes a relatively innocuous incident like this to somehow dominate the sports pages. Once again the reputation of our club is being desecrated and the hypocrisy is overwhelming. Would this incident have even received any attention if it was between Stoke City and Aston Villa? This isn't about Aaron Ramsay, it runs so much deeper than that but yet again it is the reputation of our club that will take the beating whilst that oligarchal deformity of a club and their festering droves will milk this as if they are somehow victims. I'm a rational man and I feel this way about no other club, not even the few clubs with similar "political" sway to arsenal, but when I think about that slimy cancer of a football club I become engulfed with a visceral hatred that shocks me to the core. I wish them nothing but the worst things. Sorry mate but if any of our players suffered such a shocking injury against Stoke and you lot took the piss on our next visit we would have to call a state of emergency in B6 and mobilize the troops Armed with tanks,rocket launchers and flamethrowers to right the terrible wrong
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Post by cheadlestokie on Jan 18, 2016 13:09:26 GMT
Where in all the hysterical reporting of the Ramsey chant is there any mention at all of the extensive booing and vitriolic abuse of Ryan Shawcross by the Arsenal fans when he left the field after the warm up and when his name was announced in the team line up before the match. They really do not get it.While they consistently bring up the 2010 incident every time we play them,by their supporters, by Manager and by their friends in the press, they can only expect some response,rightly or wrongly.
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Post by pez75 on Jan 18, 2016 13:14:27 GMT
No mention of the "Arsene Wenger - you stupid French twat" song? Shame, thats my fave...
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Post by crownmeking on Jan 18, 2016 13:15:08 GMT
Wow, this thread plunges the Oakcake into a new low. Arguing with each other over a stupid, but mildly offensive song? The real issue at work of course, is Wenger diverting attention from his title contenders failing to beat Stoke again and ending up second best as the game progressed and him throwing in the laughable 'physical' card again. The media have of course complied and ran with this non story instead of the real one. I agree with you for once!! (That felt wrong to say) haha. Spot on owd.
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Post by thehoof on Jan 18, 2016 13:16:28 GMT
OK.... I'm going to spell out a few home truths here.... special snowflakes like thehoof should probably head off and read the Guardian. We can say what we want about Arsenal fans, but I'll tell you one thing they are.... UNITED. They are united in their utter hatred of Stoke City, Stoke City fans, Ryan Shawcross and anything else associated with our football club. When it comes to matchday, if Stoke City are the opposition, then anything goes. Comments about 'kicking' pregnant women are acceptable, utterly despicable remarks about Stoke fans are acceptable, and calls for Ryan Shawcross to be dead are not only acceptable, but are encouraged. They are completely united in their hatred of Stoke City, and for that alone, they are one upping us here. T Ryan Shawcross is a family man, a married man, he has children. He once made a mistake in a football match, a mistake that has followed him around for 6 years and for that single mistake, Arsenal fans will happily chant "Ryan Shawcross, we wish you were dead" along with various other awful awful chants. This a man with children. They really want his kids to grow up without a daddy? They want his wife to be left widowed, all because he once made the mistake of injuring one of their special little players (who btw has gone on to be a far better player than before?) As a fanbase, they are totally united in wanting the worst fate to befall Ryan Shawcross, this comment took 5 seconds to find on their forum, I just scrolled back through their current thread: www.goonersworld.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1336954#p1336954Yet OUR supporters are not united at all. Vis Unita Fortior? When fucknuggets like spitthedog are ready to flog our own supporters for, let's be honest, one of the dumbest chants we've ever come up with. Can I remind you, that Aaron Ramsey as a professional athlete, not only runs faster than anyone on this forum, but runs further distance, plays football at a significantly higher level and is no doubt quite capable of walking without a limp. It's a stupid chant and even when taken at face value it's completely pathetic. A broken leg doesn't result in a failure to ever walk again, not that you'd fucking know it if you take the media's view on it. They are quick to tear shreds into our support and for some reason, we have own set of fans hell-bent on destroying this once strong and solid fanbase. Ramsey himself is only partly to blame for his sycophantic actions with regards to the media. He does enjoy bringing it up at every possible opportunity and describing it as the worst thing that could happen to someone on a football pitch. As an educational experience for Aaron, I've got a really good idea. I think Aaron "it's the worst thing that can happy on a football pitch, even though Muamba had a heart attack about two weeks ago" Ramsey should meet a few war vets from Iraq and Afghanistan. Men and women without arms, men and women without legs. People horrifically injured, who will never live a normal life again. He walks with a limp does he? Some of these men can't walk at all, and yet he continues to talk about his injury as some kind of life threatening incident. It wasn't Aaron and if you're so thin skinned that a poxy chant, by people who earn significantly less than you, hurts your feelings that much, maybe you should see the kind of injuries men who are paid significantly less than you, suffer in the line of fire and conflict. Here's another home truth. I spoke of nothing being off limit with Arsenal fans.... and you do realize why? For Stoke fans, seeing Arsenal fuck up and lose the title is probably the line in-which our dislike of Arsenal and their odious fanbase ends. On the other hand, they really would stop at nothing to see us wiped off the face of the earth and I genuinely mean that. This isn't me being all 'victimy' or crybaby, this is simply pointing out a genuine fact. The fact they hate us that much doesn't bother me at all, but at the same time, having our own fans seemingly support Arsenal in this very bitter relationship is not a good thing. To put it into context, it wouldn't surprise me if a petition is started in a few days to see Stoke kicked out of the football league and into oblivion. Now I know such a daft petition is not legally enforceable, but you can be sure that it would be signed by thousands and thousands of Arsenal fans. It demonstrates the contempt they have for us and our fanbase. And the irony of it all? While they're offended by a pathetic and pointless chant aimed at a professional athlete, it's fair game to mock disabled children who support Stoke: www.goonersworld.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1336700#p1336700Not a word condemning those views by the way, it's alright, I've already done the searching through. ........................and yet we have fans like spitthedog who are seemingly on a mission to divide this fanbase. If you want to support Arsenal then by all means, hop in the car and head down to London, you will not be missed. You really are an eloquent man. What passes for intelligence these days, is quite frightening.Does Ryan Shawcross ask you to fight his battles for him?The whole point of what has been said is that Wenger and Arsenal get air time to put over there bile, whereas SCFC don't. However when a game is live on TV and the public actually get to hear the vitriol for themselves, guess where they hear it from-yeah the hard men like metalhead, who seem to thunk that this sort of behaviour is acceptable. Once you've flown off into a rage, you're well on the way to losing the argu anyway. I take it Snowflake is meant in a derogatory manner, well that's okay, having read your post several times, I wouldn't even allow you to try and teach my dog to sit, of should I say "f****** sit."
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Post by chayzenbacon on Jan 18, 2016 13:16:35 GMT
I have long been of the opinion that Arsenal fans should stick to watching musical theatre and leave football to real men (and women). Sadly it seems that we have now a few of our own to whom that advice would be relevant.
That said, this Ramsey bollocks should be dead & buried by now but as long as the media roll it out in every preview of a Stoke v Arsenal match it is not going to go away. So fuck Ramsey, fuck Arsenal and fuck the media. We are Stoke and we should be proud of it.
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Post by liamo on Jan 18, 2016 13:17:57 GMT
Where in all the hysterical reporting of the Ramsey chant is there any mention at all of the extensive booing and vitriolic abuse of Ryan Shawcross by the Arsenal fans when he left the field after the warm up and when his name was announced in the team line up before the match. They really do not get it.While they consistently bring up the 2010 incident every time we play them,by their supporters, by Manager and by their friends in the press, they can only expect some response,rightly or wrongly. In their minds it's justice being served when they abuse Ryan and in their minds we should join in to show that we don't want that thug at our club.. basically they're fucking delusional idiots, we're supposed to sit back and take it and dish nothing out because Ryan 100% meant to hurt Ramsey
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Jan 18, 2016 13:28:56 GMT
The way I saw it or heard it from block 26 was a faint chant coming from the south stand of which nobody joined from the Boothen End. When Ramsey came over to take a corner and got some 'wanker' verbals, as most players do in that situation, he decided to give the sarcastic round of applause to which the chant then kicked in on a larger scale. Should he have conducted himself better? yes. Does it make it right for Stoke fans to start the chant? no, but lets be honest the media love the Shawcross/Ramsey situation and bring it up over and over again, the fans for the most part are over it and couldn't give a shit and it needs to be put to be bed. What I can't get my head around is the knicker wetting over the chant, its inappropriate at best, but we have all heard far worse at the football that goes far beyond inappropriate and involves race, death, you name it, some real sick shit.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 18, 2016 13:31:23 GMT
Going back to the OP it was a vile song and made us appear classless. I don't want to be tarred with the same brush as those who thought it's acceptable to sing about a possible career ending injury suffered at the hands (well feet) of one of our players regardless of Ryans intent at the time. Its things like this that drag the club and the decent supporters into the gutter. Gouranga.
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Post by liamo on Jan 18, 2016 13:39:33 GMT
Going back to the OP it was a vile song and made us appear classless. I don't want to be tarred with the same brush as those who thought it's acceptable to sing about a possible career ending injury suffered at the hands (well feet) of one of our players regardless of Ryans intent at the time. Its things like this that drag the club and the decent supporters into the gutter. Gouranga. Even if we completely changed and treated Arsenal at the Brit like any other team would it make a difference? Would they stop forcing the Ramsey shit down our throats in the days beforehand? You say it's things like this that drag the decent supporters through the gutter what about the smear campaign that Wenger and Arsenal in general launched against us? You could say we should take the high road and take the moral high ground but it would get us nowhere, the media would still 100% slander us and stick with Arsenal because they rake in the views, except that way we'd look like quiet little pansies just taking a rogering from all involved
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Post by metalhead on Jan 18, 2016 13:40:42 GMT
You really are an eloquent man. What passes for intelligence these days, is quite frightening.Does Ryan Shawcross ask you to fight his battles for him?The whole point of what has been said is that Wenger and Arsenal get air time to put over there bile, whereas SCFC don't. However when a game is live on TV and the public actually get to hear the vitriol for themselves, guess where they hear it from-yeah the hard men like metalhead, who seem to thunk that this sort of behaviour is acceptable. Once you've flown off into a rage, you're well on the way to losing the argu anyway. I take it Snowflake is meant in a derogatory manner, well that's okay, having read your post several times, I wouldn't even allow you to try and teach my dog to sit, of should I say "f****** sit." You know nothing about me and you're in no place to pass judgement on my level of intellect when your post is barely legible. Did I actually say that I condoned the chant? Did I say that I was one of those who joined in? I didn't actually. However, as a fanbase, we should NOT be flogging other fans because you happen to support Arsenal, sorry, happen to think those chants are 'offensive'. Christopher Hitchens used to say "if someone calls me offensive, I ask them what is their point". They are very united in their hatred of us and that, right now, is better than what we seem to have, which is people like yourself, hell bent on destroying this once united fanbase. I have absolutely no time for people like yourself; people who would rather side with the enemy than defend their own. You're a joke.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 18, 2016 13:41:12 GMT
Going back to the OP it was a vile song and made us appear classless. I don't want to be tarred with the same brush as those who thought it's acceptable to sing about a possible career ending injury suffered at the hands (well feet) of one of our players regardless of Ryans intent at the time. Its things like this that drag the club and the decent supporters into the gutter. Gouranga. Even if we completely changed and treated Arsenal at the Brit like any other team would it make a difference? Would they stop forcing the Ramsey shit down our throats in the days beforehand? You say it's things like this that drag the decent supporters through the gutter what about the smear campaign that Wenger and Arsenal in general launched against us? You could say we should take the high road and take the moral high ground but it would get us nowhere, the media would still 100% slander us and stick with Arsenal because they rake in the views, except that way we'd look like quiet little pansies just taking a rogering from all involved Would they stop 'wishing Ryan Shawcross was dead'? No they wouldn't.
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Post by watcher on Jan 18, 2016 13:46:03 GMT
Wonder how many Fifa fair play points we have lost because of this! Ffs let's not forget jack wilshere on the bus chanting about Spurs or arsenals racist adebayor chants. Stoke are officially the big bad wolf of the premier league.Where others can do no wrong:/
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 13:46:33 GMT
You are so right staffs. What nobody gets is that our gripes with that cuntstain of a club runs so much deeper than what meets the eye. The power that that club holds over the media, as a result of the hoardes of vermin that infect every corner of social-media, is what causes a relatively innocuous incident like this to somehow dominate the sports pages. Once again the reputation of our club is being desecrated and the hypocrisy is overwhelming. Would this incident have even received any attention if it was between Stoke City and Aston Villa? This isn't about Aaron Ramsay, it runs so much deeper than that but yet again it is the reputation of our club that will take the beating whilst that oligarchal deformity of a club and their festering droves will milk this as if they are somehow victims. I'm a rational man and I feel this way about no other club, not even the few clubs with similar "political" sway to arsenal, but when I think about that slimy cancer of a football club I become engulfed with a visceral hatred that shocks me to the core. I wish them nothing but the worst things. Sorry mate but if any of our players suffered such a shocking injury against Stoke and you lot took the piss on our next visit we would have to call a state of emergency in B6 and mobilize the troops Armed with tanks,rocket launchers and flamethrowers to right the terrible wrong Yes but, if this had happened to an Aston Villa player your manager surely wouldn't have used the incident politically for gains and your supporters surely would've had enough sense and logic to see that it wasn't a pre-meditated assault, just an accident with terrible consequences, and then there would've been no backlash from either set of supporters, as there was no backlash from us towards whoever the fuck it was that broke the legs of Delap/Robinson/etc.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 18, 2016 13:48:00 GMT
Coates said he never heard the chant but the Stoke chairman made it clear that he had no time for that sort of behaviour and did not want it to continue. “You’re telling me something that I’m completely unaware of. I’ve no idea that chant had taken place, but we wouldn’t approve of it at all,” Coates told the Guardian.
“I don’t think it’s a minority of fans; I know it’s a minority. People chant all sorts of awful things at all sorts of grounds, which I dislike. But do I approve of that sort of chanting? Of course I don’t.”
“I think the sooner we forget about these things the better, [otherwise] I think all you do is almost keep it going. But this is not something we would want our supporters to be doing.”
Indeed
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jan 18, 2016 13:51:20 GMT
You really are an eloquent man. What passes for intelligence these days, is quite frightening.Does Ryan Shawcross ask you to fight his battles for him?The whole point of what has been said is that Wenger and Arsenal get air time to put over there bile, whereas SCFC don't. However when a game is live on TV and the public actually get to hear the vitriol for themselves, guess where they hear it from-yeah the hard men like metalhead, who seem to thunk that this sort of behaviour is acceptable. Once you've flown off into a rage, you're well on the way to losing the argu anyway. I take it Snowflake is meant in a derogatory manner, well that's okay, having read your post several times, I wouldn't even allow you to try and teach my dog to sit, of should I say "f****** sit." You know nothing about me and you're in no place to pass judgement on my level of intellect when your post is barely legible. Did I actually say that I condoned the chant? Did I say that I was one of those who joined in? I didn't actually. However, as a fanbase, we should NOT be flogging other fans because you happen to support Arsenal, sorry, happen to think those chants are 'offensive'. Christopher Hitchens used to say "if someone calls me offensive, I ask them what is their point". They are very united in their hatred of us and that, right now, is better than what we seem to have, which is people like yourself, hell bent on destroying this once united fanbase. I have absolutely no time for people like yourself; people who would rather side with the enemy than defend their own. You're a joke. to be fair mate (and i know how much you really don't like Arsenal regardless of how much you try to hide it and you also know how much i tend to agree with your posts in general), i think you need to calm down a tad here! yes, there was no need for him to presume to know you, but to accuse someone of trying to destroy the entire unity of the SCFC fanbase simply because they don't like 1 chant????? slight touch of hyperbole there methinks mate...your hatred of Arsenal (understandable though it is) is clouding your judgment a bit here metalhead. surely the same accusation could be levelled at you by him couldn't it??? not EVERY chant is going to be taken on wholesale by any support of any team..that doesn't destroy their unity......if the majority of Liverpool fans sang the Munich song (rather than a minority) would you level that accusation at another Liverpool fan who wanted them to stop it? of course not, it's a ludicrous thing to suggest!!!!! a united fanbase isn't, never has been and never will be based on a chant or a hatred of anyone or anything! that isn't what supporting a team is about...what unites us is our love of OUR team not our hatred of others FFS!!!!!
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Post by crownmeking on Jan 18, 2016 13:58:09 GMT
You know nothing about me and you're in no place to pass judgement on my level of intellect when your post is barely legible. Did I actually say that I condoned the chant? Did I say that I was one of those who joined in? I didn't actually. However, as a fanbase, we should NOT be flogging other fans because you happen to support Arsenal, sorry, happen to think those chants are 'offensive'. Christopher Hitchens used to say "if someone calls me offensive, I ask them what is their point". They are very united in their hatred of us and that, right now, is better than what we seem to have, which is people like yourself, hell bent on destroying this once united fanbase. I have absolutely no time for people like yourself; people who would rather side with the enemy than defend their own. You're a joke. to be fair mate (and i know how much you really don't like Arsenal regardless of how much you try to hide it and you also know how much i tend to agree with your posts in general), i think you need to calm down a tad here! yes, there was no need for him to presume to know you, but to accuse someone of trying to destroy the entire unity of the SCFC fanbase simply because they don't like 1 chant????? slight touch of hyperbole there methinks mate...your hatred of Arsenal (understandable though it is) is clouding your judgment a bit here metalhead. surely the same accusation could be levelled at you by him couldn't it??? not EVERY chant is going to be taken on wholesale by any support of any team..that doesn't destroy their unity......if the majority of Liverpool fans sang the Munich song (rather than a minority) would you level that accusation at another Liverpool fan who wanted them to stop it? of course not, it's a ludicrous thing to suggest!!!!! a united fanbase isn't, never has been and never will be based on a chant or a hatred of anyone or anything! that isn't what supporting a team is about...what unites us is our love of OUR team not our hatred of others FFS!!!!! I think it is just a bit of rebuttal from previous posts, rather than needing to calm down.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jan 18, 2016 13:59:34 GMT
I hope we sing it twice as loud next season.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jan 18, 2016 14:02:31 GMT
yeah mate i agree, just think that line about destroying our united fanbase is a bit ill-thought out.
1) its just a bloody daft thing to say... "You won't publicly proclaim your hatred so therefore you're trying to sabotage our unity" is 1 step away from "I'm a better fan than you so there!"
2) as i said, he could level the same accusation at metalhead as it would appear (judging by the thread) that not EVERY poster agrees with the chant anyway. who's the 1 destroying the unity exactly? why is it thehoof rather than metalhead?
just think if metalhead calmed down he'd have noticed both those things as he's usually a damn good poster....basically he's better than that last 2 line rant at the end is all.
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Post by staffsvilla on Jan 18, 2016 14:09:02 GMT
Sorry mate but if any of our players suffered such a shocking injury against Stoke and you lot took the piss on our next visit we would have to call a state of emergency in B6 and mobilize the troops Armed with tanks,rocket launchers and flamethrowers to right the terrible wrong Yes but, if this had happened to an Aston Villa player your manager surely wouldn't have used the incident politically for gains and your supporters surely would've had enough sense and logic to see that it wasn't a pre-meditated assault, just an accident with terrible consequences, and then there would've been no backlash from either set of supporters, as there was no backlash from us towards whoever the fuck it was that broke the legs of Delap/Robinson/etc. Mate I was taking the Mick, I get exactly what you mean but I only have room in my heart to detest one team so for all the faults of Arsenal they will never warrant that place
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Post by RAF on Jan 18, 2016 14:11:39 GMT
Who exactly do we think we have upset here exactly?
Ramsey? The little calcium deficient cunt could have finished this any time he wanted to, even if he was feeling hard done to at the time and didn't want to take Ryan's apology as he was frightened his career was in jeopardy, there is no reason after he made a recovery he couldn't have been more reasonable about the whole episode, but he continues to play the fucking martyr suggesting Ryan wanted to hurt him. If that was really the case you stupid little cunt he would have stood over you and called you a diving cheating cunt, when in reality he was in tears.
Wenger - Even the pundits see through this cunt now, Shearer exposed him for what he really is
The Press - No matter how we play our football we are always one tackle away from being nasty dirty Stoke from a Shithole in the Midlands!
How many fucking times do we need to go through this.
It is what it is regardless of a few chants from our crowd. You could have 27000 Stoke fans running on the pitch and rimming Ramsey, whilst hoisting him in the air singing 'Ramsey is the king' whilst dragging Shawcross behind them in a gimp mask and handcuffs with 'dirty fouling cunt' scrawled on his head and we would still be called cunts by all three of the above.
Fuck them
Cunts to a man!
H
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Jan 18, 2016 14:14:51 GMT
Going back to the OP it was a vile song and made us appear classless. I don't want to be tarred with the same brush as those who thought it's acceptable to sing about a possible career ending injury suffered at the hands (well feet) of one of our players regardless of Ryans intent at the time. Its things like this that drag the club and the decent supporters into the gutter. Gouranga. Even if we completely changed and treated Arsenal at the Brit like any other team would it make a difference? Would they stop forcing the Ramsey shit down our throats in the days beforehand? You say it's things like this that drag the decent supporters through the gutter what about the smear campaign that Wenger and Arsenal in general launched against us? You could say we should take the high road and take the moral high ground but it would get us nowhere, the media would still 100% slander us and stick with Arsenal because they rake in the views, except that way we'd look like quiet little pansies just taking a rogering from all involved Where exactly did this particular chant get us then ?
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Post by spongebobflathead on Jan 18, 2016 14:16:46 GMT
Coates said he never heard the chant but the Stoke chairman made it clear that he had no time for that sort of behaviour and did not want it to continue. “You’re telling me something that I’m completely unaware of. I’ve no idea that chant had taken place, but we wouldn’t approve of it at all,” Coates told the Guardian. “I don’t think it’s a minority of fans; I know it’s a minority. People chant all sorts of awful things at all sorts of grounds, which I dislike. But do I approve of that sort of chanting? Of course I don’t.” “ I think the sooner we forget about these things the better, [otherwise] I think all you do is almost keep it going. But this is not something we would want our supporters to be doing.” Indeed A very predictable retort to be honest , he's not going to say much different !
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 18, 2016 14:16:59 GMT
Feel better already.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jan 18, 2016 14:25:42 GMT
Sky got a bloke on now talking about chants
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Post by chayzenbacon on Jan 18, 2016 14:33:05 GMT
Going back to the OP it was a vile song and made us appear classless. I don't want to be tarred with the same brush as those who thought it's acceptable to sing about a possible career ending injury suffered at the hands (well feet) of one of our players regardless of Ryans intent at the time. Its things like this that drag the club and the decent supporters into the gutter. Gouranga. It's not vile though is it? It would be vile if he walked with a limp but he doesn't. It would be vile if Shawcross had deliberately set out to injure him but he didn't. It would be vile if it had ruined his career but it didn't. It would be vile if Ramsey hadn't thrown Ryan's attempted apology back at him, but he did. It would be vile if Arsene Wenger hadn't cynically & opportunistic labelled Ryan and his team mates thugs, ignored the fact that it was an accident and used the incident to rally his team around Ramsey's "cause" as if he & they were martyrs. It might be vile if the media didn't bring it up at every opportunity, refuse to let it drop and always, without fail, present the Arsenal perspective on it, but they do. The media has this completely out of perspective, there's no need for Stoke fans to do that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 14:33:37 GMT
I wasn't at the match. When did the chant actually first begin? Was it the corner kick, or was it when someone kicked him up the arse in the first half and he started limping? If the latter then surely it can be explained away as a bit of match commentary.
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