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Post by redstriper on Jan 18, 2016 9:36:32 GMT
Clearly 99% of the fans are right behind him, singing his name when he came off. He just looks short of confidence and heavy legged but class is permanent.
Joselu and Affelay has been our best players through Jan so far - so clearly are not in danger when shak gets fit. If shaq Is fit for leics - I'd rest him and play shaq and bring him on later in the game when there's more space.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 18, 2016 9:37:06 GMT
Hopefull Shaqiri is fit for Saturday then we could give Bojan a rest.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 18, 2016 9:37:48 GMT
Just think he may be trying too much at the moment, it takes time to get back from a major injury. Just a poor spell, far too talented not to return to top former. Hughes seems to be doing the right thing by giving him the opportunity and showing faith in him.
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Post by hanibal7 on Jan 18, 2016 9:58:47 GMT
Been very poor recently, needs a rest, and we need 11 men on the pitch not 10. Affelay has being playinmg brilliant and should replace Bojan in the middle, give the guy a rest and let him enjoy getting back to fitness and coming on against tired players
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 10:11:13 GMT
Form is temporary class is permanent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 10:52:37 GMT
Even when Bojan is not playing too well, there's always a chance that he'll do something special. We should keep on encouraging him.
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Post by miltonpotterfan on Jan 18, 2016 11:19:00 GMT
I'm his biggest fan absolutely love the guy he's a technical genius and some of passing you think WOW
But lately he's looking tired and over used and he's suffering and other teams are benefiting from it.
Next game Leicester my front four would be
Affelay-----------Shaqiri----------Arnie
--------------------Joselu---------------
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Post by liamo on Jan 18, 2016 11:26:48 GMT
I feel like Bojan is spending quite a bit of energy running in to wide areas and i'm not sure why? We've got wide players and fullbacks to overlap them, we really need Bojan centrally now more than ever, Joselu is looking like a really really good buy and Bojan should be either looking to put him in or running beyond him
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Post by RAF on Jan 18, 2016 11:35:15 GMT
I so wish we still had Dean Whitehead running around like a dog chasing a balloon giving away needless yellow cards as he quite clearly gave 110% unlike Bojan.
I fucking despair with some of the fucking clowns on here.
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Post by miltonpotterfan on Jan 18, 2016 11:37:46 GMT
I so wish we still had Dean Whitehead running around like a dog chasing a balloon giving away needless yellow cards as he quite clearly gave 110% unlike Bojan. I fucking despair with some of the fucking clowns on here. H Delete ya account then
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Post by philb on Jan 18, 2016 11:42:51 GMT
Let's be honest people he has been poor for the last 4/5 games and perhaps taking him out of the firing line for a couple of games will do him good. We know he's a class player but he's no doubt lost his way a bit and a rest against say Leicester and the cup game at either Liverpool or Palace will hopefully see him find his form again sooner rather than later.
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Post by ryan4england on Jan 18, 2016 11:43:24 GMT
Needs a rest or needs to realise he's not the vital cog in the machine. It was documented he struggled with the expectation at barca it remains to be seen wether this could be an issue here now he is seen as the player that 'needs' to have a great game if we are to do well, which he is imo.
For me, This is why id buy another top quality right sided forward to enable is to drop shaq in the middle when bojan isn't on par. He might rediscover his best form if he's not the nuts and bolts of the team, it would release a lot of pressure
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Post by RAF on Jan 18, 2016 11:48:21 GMT
I so wish we still had Dean Whitehead running around like a dog chasing a balloon giving away needless yellow cards as he quite clearly gave 110% unlike Bojan. I fucking despair with some of the fucking clowns on here. H Delete ya account then I won't be put off by bellends like you sunshine. H
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Post by miltonpotterfan on Jan 18, 2016 11:50:10 GMT
You're funny
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2016 11:52:17 GMT
He has been for most of the season. He needs a rest.
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Post by chrispk76 on Jan 18, 2016 11:58:25 GMT
Some good points about giving him a rest , Also making him aware whilst being a key player arnie and shaqiri also carry the burden of being a "vital cog". yes the opponents maybe picking him out to be marked (as was shaqiri) , however , this shouldn't affect his ability to retain his skill when he gets the ball, loose touches,knocking the ball too far , wayward passes are something we didn't see too much until after the game v Everton. Maybe the conditions of the pitches during our winters are taking some getting used to.
I have no doubt he has a quality game lined up just around the corner , it's up to the manager/coaches to sit with and ask how he's feeling physically and mentally . It's almost like he's a bit scared about being tackled and potentially damaging his knee .
Goooarn boj you little beautiful man , turn it around and show you Were just having an off period .
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Post by nott1 on Jan 18, 2016 12:15:00 GMT
Bojan's poor is the height of most players ambition!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 18, 2016 12:21:56 GMT
I've long been of the opinion that he's our best player, so we just have to play him constantly. Short term pain for long term gain if you like.
At some point, his form has to come into consideration because we are carrying him. We took Arsenal on with 10 yesterday.
That isn't turning on him or anything of the sort. It's just stating a fact. He has played well in patches but consistently, he hasn't been anywhere near the Bojan we were seeing pre-injury. That, of course isn't a surprise. We may well not see the very best of him until next season.
I thought he was really poor yesterday. It's just not happening for him. He looks lost and he looks frustrated with himself.
His continued inclusion must be the thing that occupies the managers thoughts the most. If it were anybody else, I think they'd have found themselves out of the team by now.
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Post by miltonpotterfan on Jan 18, 2016 12:24:21 GMT
Careful people or the oatcake veteran will be bringing up Whitehead again for no apparent reason what so ever.
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Post by RAF on Jan 18, 2016 12:35:14 GMT
Careful people or the oatcake veteran will be bringing up Whitehead again for no apparent reason what so ever. I can forgive you for being thick as shit and not understanding my point. What I can't forgive you for is using the term 'ya' instead of your. Endemic of the education system these days unfortunately. H
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Post by metalhead on Jan 18, 2016 12:36:27 GMT
People need to give Bojan a break. The guy looks knackered, yet he still puts in 100% imo. It might surprise most, but I felt we looked significantly weaker when he came off, until Charlie Adam came on and injected some genuine creativity going forward. Bojan needs a rest. He's had no pre-season and we're overplaying him and I don't know why. We don't need to overplay him!
For those bagging on him and calling him a passenger, just stop. No need and we're aware that Bojan's parents actually read this board. He's a confidence player, let his confidence return.
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Post by pez75 on Jan 18, 2016 12:47:23 GMT
People need to see the bigger picture. Class players like Bojan can change a game in an instant with one single piece of skill. If he is fit - he plays IMO. If he is not getting into the game then sub him, but we have no-one better to start in his position.
He was not that bad yesterday, struggled to have a major influence but still had some key contributions, including attempts on goal.
Even Arsenal come to the Brit defensively minded these days. EVERY team in this league will be wary of his ability when they play us. Teams like Liverpool & Arsenal have the resources and shrewd management to try and nullify him and it worked for them recently. We were a little more 'rustic' in our approach than of late yesterday too - always a tempting option when you have Joselu & Walters up front, but it makes it that little bit harder for Bojan.
We were actually worse when he went off - there was a gaping hole between the two midfielders and our attacking players that was not filled until Charlie came on for the final few minutes.
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Post by RAF on Jan 18, 2016 12:48:01 GMT
People need to give Bojan a break. The guy looks knackered, yet he still puts in 100% imo. It might surprise most, but I felt we looked significantly weaker when he came off, until Charlie Adam came on and injected some genuine creativity going forward. Bojan needs a rest. He's had no pre-season and we're overplaying him and I don't know why. We don't need to overplay him! For those bagging on him and calling him a passenger, just stop. No need and we're aware that Bojan's parents actually read this board. He's a confidence player, let his confidence return. Watch it Metalhead, the OP will start getting all precious and pissy with you if you disagree with her. It's her thread, you have to come in nodding or she'll try and rouse the 'people' against you! H
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 18, 2016 12:56:34 GMT
I so wish we still had Dean Whitehead running around like a dog chasing a balloon giving away needless yellow cards as he quite clearly gave 110% unlike Bojan. I fucking despair with some of the fucking clowns on here. H So are certain players immune to criticism? Can you give us a list just so we don't criticise the wrong players? Thanks.
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Post by RAF on Jan 18, 2016 13:03:44 GMT
I so wish we still had Dean Whitehead running around like a dog chasing a balloon giving away needless yellow cards as he quite clearly gave 110% unlike Bojan. I fucking despair with some of the fucking clowns on here. H So are certain players immune to criticism? Can you give us a list just so we don't criticise the wrong players? Thanks. Absolutely not Foxy, and I'm fully aware he's not firing on all cylinders, but I find your post slightly ironic considering your constant defence of Jon Walters regardless of his form. And before you start I'm certainly no detractor of the Walters, but I would have loved to have seen your reaction on a thread entitled 'Walters the Passenger' when he was actually that(not last night I might add) H
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 18, 2016 13:10:11 GMT
So are certain players immune to criticism? Can you give us a list just so we don't criticise the wrong players? Thanks. Absolutely not Foxy, and I'm fully aware he's not firing on all cylinders, but I find your post slightly ironic considering your constant defence of Jon Walters regardless of his form. And before you start I'm certainly no detractor of the Walters, but I would have loved to have seen your reaction on a thread entitled 'Walters the Passenger' when he was actually that. H I think you'll find I was critical of Walters before he was dropped and thought he was rightly out of the team when the four musketeers were all fit and flying. I guess there's no Walters was a passenger thread because....he wasn't one? He was up to his usual high energy and physically uncompromising antics. I thought he played ok despite fluffing his lines on a couple of occasions. I guess the manager was more inclined to that point of view also considering he didn't take him off.
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Post by RAF on Jan 18, 2016 13:14:34 GMT
Absolutely not Foxy, and I'm fully aware he's not firing on all cylinders, but I find your post slightly ironic considering your constant defence of Jon Walters regardless of his form. And before you start I'm certainly no detractor of the Walters, but I would have loved to have seen your reaction on a thread entitled 'Walters the Passenger' when he was actually that. H I think you'll find I was critical of Walters before he was dropped and thought he was rightly out of the team when the four musketeers were all fit and flying. I guess there's no Walters was a passenger thread because....he wasn't one? He was up to his usual high energy and physically uncompromising antics. I thought he played ok despite fluffing his lines on a couple of occasions. I guess the manager was more inclined to that point of view also considering he didn't take him off. I edited my post as you were obviously typing, I wasn't suggesting Walters was a passenger last night, but he has been in the past and still defended to the hilt because he gives 100%. I don't want this to become a discussion about Walters as for me he is a very important team member, but there is an element on here that because of his effort he should be immune from criticism, and you know that. H
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 18, 2016 15:00:32 GMT
I think you'll find I was critical of Walters before he was dropped and thought he was rightly out of the team when the four musketeers were all fit and flying. I guess there's no Walters was a passenger thread because....he wasn't one? He was up to his usual high energy and physically uncompromising antics. I thought he played ok despite fluffing his lines on a couple of occasions. I guess the manager was more inclined to that point of view also considering he didn't take him off. I edited my post as you were obviously typing, I wasn't suggesting Walters was a passenger last night, but he has been in the past and still defended to the hilt because he gives 100%. I don't want this to become a discussion about Walters as for me he is a very important team member, but there is an element on here that because of his effort he should be immune from criticism, and you know that. H Fair enough. The good thing is it's getting harder and harder to criticise our players....they all have dips in form which is natural but I don't think we have one "passenger" who shirks or hides. Bojan is just finding it tough at the moment, I think, because his injury woes have caught up with him. He'll come through and be stronger for it I've absolutely no doubt.
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Post by RAF on Jan 18, 2016 15:52:57 GMT
Agreed Foxy, which is why I find it ridiculous calling him a passenger. I understand expectation is now at an all time high, but we have to manage that expectation with reality. We have a manager who quite clearly knows what he is doing and has a certain way of doing it, I believe beyond doubt Bojan will come good again, if that means resting him then fine, but passenger? Never. You only have to look at his face to see he cares, it's not like he's shirking.
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 19, 2016 12:20:09 GMT
People need to see the bigger picture. Class players like Bojan can change a game in an instant with one single piece of skill. If he is fit - he plays IMO. If he is not getting into the game then sub him, but we have no-one better to start in his position. He was not that bad yesterday, struggled to have a major influence but still had some key contributions, including attempts on goal. Even Arsenal come to the Brit defensively minded these days. EVERY team in this league will be wary of his ability when they play us. Teams like Liverpool & Arsenal have the resources and shrewd management to try and nullify him and it worked for them recently. We were a little more 'rustic' in our approach than of late yesterday too - always a tempting option when you have Joselu & Walters up front, but it makes it that little bit harder for Bojan. We were actually worse when he went off - there was a gaping hole between the two midfielders and our attacking players that was not filled until Charlie came on for the final few minutes. This. I'm sure he's not 100 fit at the moment but 70 mins of Bojan is far better than 90 mins of lesser players. The lad is trying, but other teams have done their homework and are doing their best to nullify his threat. In part they're succeeding. However, how will they cope when we have all our best forward players fit and playing? They can't have two men on Bojan and Shaq and Arnie and Joselu all the time. This is in no way knocking Walters. In some ways his directness and hard work is equally important as the skills of those I've mentioned. We're doing okay. Patience is needed. OS.
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