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Nov 7, 2015 14:25:58 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 7, 2015 14:25:58 GMT
Agreed but then you have all of these in their 30's and on decent contracts and only 2 really should be a regular in the starting XI. Given Bardsley Johnson Odemwingie Walters Cameron Sidwell Crouch Whelan You then have 3, 29 year olds who don't really deserve guaranteed starting places either in Adam, Ireland and Afellay. We have an aging squad and a manager that seems as not bothered at using the youth side as much (if not more) as the previous manager. Cry, complain, bitch, moan... Oh, Hi Bayern. It's all part of the harem scarem transfer policy we have where there seems to be little thought to who we give contracts too and why we actually sign players. Walters was leaving if another 30+ year old joined apparently in the summer. It's proper head scratching stuff.
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Nov 7, 2015 14:26:51 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 7, 2015 14:26:51 GMT
Agreed but then you have all of these in their 30's and on decent contracts and only 2 really should be a regular in the starting XI. Given Bardsley Johnson Odemwingie Walters Cameron Sidwell Crouch Whelan You then have 3, 29 year olds who don't really deserve guaranteed starting places either in Adam, Ireland and Afellay. We have an aging squad and a manager that seems as not bothered at using the youth side as much (if not more) as the previous manager. This is the first year for a good while (Ollie Shenton aside) we have anyone good enough to even think about challenging regularly for a spot in the first team with Molina, Moha, Telford etc. They will start to feed in in years to come I reckon. We will see. I still prefer Lecygne over all of the above mind!
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Nov 7, 2015 14:28:08 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 7, 2015 14:28:08 GMT
Very pleased he is staying and can see Bayerns point too , but it's crouch , odemwimge , sidwell that are the overloads
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Nov 7, 2015 14:29:58 GMT
Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 7, 2015 14:29:58 GMT
Very pleased he is staying and can see Bayerns point too , but it's crouch , odemwimge , sidwell that are the overloads Holy shit! I agree with Benji. PS although I read it a s overlords first
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Nov 7, 2015 14:30:22 GMT
Post by Squeekster on Nov 7, 2015 14:30:22 GMT
Totally deserved in my opinion and will almost certainly be playing a bit part in the next 2 years.
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Nov 7, 2015 14:30:38 GMT
Post by steve66 on Nov 7, 2015 14:30:38 GMT
Great news most welcomed by the majority on here!
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Nov 7, 2015 14:30:42 GMT
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Post by barcaontrent on Nov 7, 2015 14:30:42 GMT
Majority of our players are around 26-27 Agreed but then you have all of these in their 30's and on decent contracts and only 2 really should be a regular in the starting XI. Given Bardsley Johnson Odemwingie Walters Cameron Sidwell Crouch Whelan You then have 3, 29 year olds who don't really deserve guaranteed starting places either in Adam, Ireland and Afellay. We have an aging squad and a manager that seems as not bothered at using the youth side as much (if not more) as the previous manager. [Then you have Shaq, Pieters, butland , muni, Diouf, Arnie, Wolly, Shawcross all in their middle or early 20s who make the average age of the squad way off pensioner age. The only 2 of the 30 plus you have mentioned who don't add to the side are bardsley and sidwell but all the others are or have been good or great players for the club. Many top sides have realised that it's stupid to throw away some of your best players just because they are 30+ And can still add something. All becoming 30 does is means your lose transfer value, you only really start losing your pace around the 33 plus mark
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Nov 7, 2015 14:31:04 GMT
Post by butlerstbob on Nov 7, 2015 14:31:04 GMT
Bet you weren't saying that against Chelsea in the cup! Overall I thought he was pretty poor vs them. Great goal obviously but wasted loads of chances to kill them off. He's a good squad player but we have a load of old squad players, too many. Something needs to give soon. I agree to a point. When you say he wasted chances to kill them off do you ever consider the oposition, although on a bad run they still have top players and wont be down near the bottom for long! Anyroad great news, and still a great target man, but not a winger!
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Nov 7, 2015 14:35:20 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 7, 2015 14:35:20 GMT
Agreed but then you have all of these in their 30's and on decent contracts and only 2 really should be a regular in the starting XI. Given Bardsley Johnson Odemwingie Walters Cameron Sidwell Crouch Whelan You then have 3, 29 year olds who don't really deserve guaranteed starting places either in Adam, Ireland and Afellay. We have an aging squad and a manager that seems as not bothered at using the youth side as much (if not more) as the previous manager. [Then you have Shaq, Pieters, butland , muni, Diouf, Arnie, Wolly, Shawcross all in their middle or early 20s who make the average age of the squad way off pensioner age. The only 2 of the 30 plus you have mentioned who don't add to the side are bardsley and sidwell but all the others are or have been good or great players for the club. Many top sides have realised that it's stupid to throw away some of your best players just because they are 30+ And can still add something. All becoming 30 does is means your lose transfer value, you only really start losing your pace around the 33 plus mark Sidwell, Crouch, Odwemwingie and Bardsley add nothing. Afellay is just another #10 we don't need. Ireland is a #10 that can't buy a game. Cameron has his uses, as does Adam, both will be on decent wages and both should be nothing more than bench players. What they have been is sentimental and irrelevant bollocks. And those mentioned are but Arnie will probably leave this summer unless we get our fingers out, the rest won't and that is good barring Wolly who still doesn't convince me at all. But we need more of that ilk.
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Nov 7, 2015 14:37:14 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 7, 2015 14:37:14 GMT
Overall I thought he was pretty poor vs them. Great goal obviously but wasted loads of chances to kill them off. He's a good squad player but we have a load of old squad players, too many. Something needs to give soon. I agree to a point. When you say he wasted chances to kill them off do you ever consider the oposition, although on a bad run they still have top players and wont be down near the bottom for long! Anyroad great news, and still a great target man, but not a winger! I see them as shit on my shoe atm. We should win today. It didn't matter, he had time to make sure he did the basics but that's his problem, when he has time he usually fucks it up. He didn't for the goal, it was instinctive, it worked. I think keeping Walters actually is fine. It's most of the others I query. Our transfer policy just seems to be a scattergun approach.
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Nov 7, 2015 14:41:53 GMT
Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 7, 2015 14:41:53 GMT
Great news he is the heart of the club.
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Nov 7, 2015 14:42:24 GMT
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Post by ChesterStokie on Nov 7, 2015 14:42:24 GMT
It's hard to see how from a pure football point of view how Jon will be required the season after next.
It's good news in the short term but it just goes to show how much power these footballers have and how the game at this level is awash with surplus money.
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Nov 7, 2015 14:43:36 GMT
Post by wuzza on Nov 7, 2015 14:43:36 GMT
Sanity has prevailed.
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Nov 7, 2015 14:47:35 GMT
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Post by barcaontrent on Nov 7, 2015 14:47:35 GMT
[Then you have Shaq, Pieters, butland , muni, Diouf, Arnie, Wolly, Shawcross all in their middle or early 20s who make the average age of the squad way off pensioner age. The only 2 of the 30 plus you have mentioned who don't add to the side are bardsley and sidwell but all the others are or have been good or great players for the club. Many top sides have realised that it's stupid to throw away some of your best players just because they are 30+ And can still add something. All becoming 30 does is means your lose transfer value, you only really start losing your pace around the 33 plus mark Sidwell, Crouch, Odwemwingie and Bardsley add nothing. Afellay is just another #10 we don't need. Ireland is a #10 that can't buy a game. Cameron has his uses, as does Adam, both will be on decent wages and both should be nothing more than bench players. What they have been is sentimental and irrelevant bollocks. And those mentioned are but Arnie will probably leave this summer unless we get our fingers out, the rest won't and that is good barring Wolly who still doesn't convince me at all. But we need more of that ilk. [ Crouch does add something although we have far better options, Wingie still has something to offer although he does look a shadow of the player he was i'll admit Affelay isn't just another #10 he''s a player with immense pedigree who has something to offer, You can't expect him with a few sub appreances and 4 games started to set the world alight. Ireland can't buy a game because of the quality in front of him already. Ireland clearly does have something to offer obviously if you watched the Spurs game. Adam was poor against the toon but has been superbly disciplened in that holding role and I think he doesn't look out of place there. What basis do you think Arnie will leave? He says he's loving life, he's playing great, working his Arse off and manager is giving him nothing but praise, as shown by jon signing today be patient and the suits will sort it out. You might say Nzonzi and begi weren't sorted but they clearly didn't want to stay and the management team knew it. Wollys played 5 games and we've kept 4 clean sheets and he looks far improved, don't see how you aren't convinced ?
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Nov 7, 2015 14:48:40 GMT
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Post by Onneravineet on Nov 7, 2015 14:48:40 GMT
[Then you have Shaq, Pieters, butland , muni, Diouf, Arnie, Wolly, Shawcross all in their middle or early 20s who make the average age of the squad way off pensioner age. The only 2 of the 30 plus you have mentioned who don't add to the side are bardsley and sidwell but all the others are or have been good or great players for the club. Many top sides have realised that it's stupid to throw away some of your best players just because they are 30+ And can still add something. All becoming 30 does is means your lose transfer value, you only really start losing your pace around the 33 plus mark Sidwell, Crouch, Odwemwingie and Bardsley add nothing. Afellay is just another #10 we don't need. Ireland is a #10 that can't buy a game. Cameron has his uses, as does Adam, both will be on decent wages and both should be nothing more than bench players. What they have been is sentimental and irrelevant bollocks. And those mentioned are but Arnie will probably leave this summer unless we get our fingers out, the rest won't and that is good barring Wolly who still doesn't convince me at all. But we need more of that ilk. Quite how you take a VERY positive piece of news and spin it into a bitch is beyond me. Since Hughes our transfers have been completely different in an improved way and the average age of the squad has decreased. It was interesting to hear this week the highest average age of a squad was West Brom. We're no spring chicken in comparison but nevertheless we have quality pros such as Given, Crouch, Walters, Sidwell, Odem, Johnson, Whelan, Adam and Ireland to up the numbers.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Nov 7, 2015 14:55:10 GMT
@@@@ me.
How any stoke fan can not be greeting this as great news amazes me. The guy is a stoke legend. I don't come on here as often due to the constant bloody moaning.
Bayern over the last ten years you've become a right moaning @@@@ard.
Get behind the team and enjoy these good times for Christ sake. Money is the least of stojes problems were freaking billionaires
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Nov 7, 2015 14:54:55 GMT
Post by PotteringThrough on Nov 7, 2015 14:54:55 GMT
Excellent signing.
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Nov 7, 2015 14:56:46 GMT
Post by datguy on Nov 7, 2015 14:56:46 GMT
@@@@ me. How any stoke fan can not be greeting this as great news amazes me. The guy is a stoke legend. I don't come on here as often due to the constant bloody moaning.Bayern over the last ten years you've become a right moaning @@@@ard. Get behind the team and enjoy these good times for Christ sake. Money is the least of stojes problems were freaking billionaires This.
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Nov 7, 2015 14:57:05 GMT
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 7, 2015 14:57:05 GMT
Correct decision. He'll probably still be in the first team in 2018.
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Nov 7, 2015 14:57:35 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 7, 2015 14:57:35 GMT
Sidwell, Crouch, Odwemwingie and Bardsley add nothing. Afellay is just another #10 we don't need. Ireland is a #10 that can't buy a game. Cameron has his uses, as does Adam, both will be on decent wages and both should be nothing more than bench players. What they have been is sentimental and irrelevant bollocks. And those mentioned are but Arnie will probably leave this summer unless we get our fingers out, the rest won't and that is good barring Wolly who still doesn't convince me at all. But we need more of that ilk. [ Crouch does add something although we have far better options, Wingie still has something to offer although he does look a shadow of the player he was i'll admit Affelay isn't just another #10 he''s a player with immense pedigree who has something to offer, You can't expect him with a few sub appreances and 4 games started to set the world alight. Ireland can't buy a game because of the quality in front of him already. Ireland clearly does have something to offer obviously if you watched the Spurs game. Adam was poor against the toon but has been superbly disciplened in that holding role and I think he doesn't look out of place there. What basis do you think Arnie will leave? He says he's loving life, he's playing great, working his Arse off and manager is giving him nothing but praise, as shown by jon signing today be patient and the suits will sort it out. You might say Nzonzi and begi weren't sorted but they clearly didn't want to stay and the management team knew it. Wollys played 5 games and we've kept 4 clean sheets and he looks far improved, don't see how you aren't convinced ? Crouch shouldn't be playing if Joselu is fit. Wingie was atrocios vs Chelsea. He can't seem to get fit and is behind everyone else in the squad for a place. Afellay is exactly that. He's been awful though, we don't need him. Ireland is better Afellay, he should be playing ahead of him. For whatever reason the manager isn't giving him the chances he deserved after the Spurs game. Adam is a massive part of the problem we have currently going forward. Because he's got 18 months and clearly has his sights set bigger than us. I'd be far happier if he signed a new contract. He played well in spurts last season too and the stats made out he defended well. Watching him though and it was different. I still feel the same. He was better vs Chelsea though but only because of massive bollockings from the captain.
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Nov 7, 2015 14:58:28 GMT
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Nov 7, 2015 14:58:28 GMT
Charlie Adam has is uses ?
Who the hell are we comparing ourselves with Barcelona?
Again one of the top 20 players we've had at the club in the last 40 years I'd guess.
I tell you people on here are mental
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Nov 7, 2015 14:58:50 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 7, 2015 14:58:50 GMT
@@@@ me. How any stoke fan can not be greeting this as great news amazes me. The guy is a stoke legend. I don't come on here as often due to the constant bloody moaning. Bayern over the last ten years you've become a right moaning @@@@ard. Get behind the team and enjoy these good times for Christ sake. Money is the least of stojes problems were freaking billionaires And we're scared of spending it and have cut back on spending money massively. Go figure!
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Nov 7, 2015 14:59:41 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 7, 2015 14:59:41 GMT
Charlie Adam has is uses ? Who the hell are we comparing ourselves with Barcelona? Again one of the top 20 players we've had at the club in the last 40 years I'd guess. I tell you people on here are mental Not even top 20 in the Premier League for us!
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Nov 7, 2015 15:02:03 GMT
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Post by whydelilah on Nov 7, 2015 15:02:03 GMT
Great news.
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Nov 7, 2015 15:02:12 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 7, 2015 15:02:12 GMT
Sidwell, Crouch, Odwemwingie and Bardsley add nothing. Afellay is just another #10 we don't need. Ireland is a #10 that can't buy a game. Cameron has his uses, as does Adam, both will be on decent wages and both should be nothing more than bench players. What they have been is sentimental and irrelevant bollocks. And those mentioned are but Arnie will probably leave this summer unless we get our fingers out, the rest won't and that is good barring Wolly who still doesn't convince me at all. But we need more of that ilk. Quite how you take a VERY positive piece of news and spin it into a bitch is beyond me. Since Hughes our transfers have been completely different in an improved way and the average age of the squad has decreased. It was interesting to hear this week the highest average age of a squad was West Brom. We're no spring chicken in comparison but nevertheless we have quality pros such as Given, Crouch, Walters, Sidwell, Odem, Johnson, Whelan, Adam and Ireland to up the numbers. Has it decreased? Is that official? It's going to be about the same isn't it? More than half of those players we don't need......which is my point.
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Nov 7, 2015 15:10:16 GMT
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Post by barcaontrent on Nov 7, 2015 15:10:16 GMT
[ Crouch does add something although we have far better options, Wingie still has something to offer although he does look a shadow of the player he was i'll admit Affelay isn't just another #10 he''s a player with immense pedigree who has something to offer, You can't expect him with a few sub appreances and 4 games started to set the world alight. Ireland can't buy a game because of the quality in front of him already. Ireland clearly does have something to offer obviously if you watched the Spurs game. Adam was poor against the toon but has been superbly disciplened in that holding role and I think he doesn't look out of place there. What basis do you think Arnie will leave? He says he's loving life, he's playing great, working his Arse off and manager is giving him nothing but praise, as shown by jon signing today be patient and the suits will sort it out. You might say Nzonzi and begi weren't sorted but they clearly didn't want to stay and the management team knew it. Wollys played 5 games and we've kept 4 clean sheets and he looks far improved, don't see how you aren't convinced ? Crouch shouldn't be playing if Joselu is fit. Wingie was atrocios vs Chelsea. He can't seem to get fit and is behind everyone else in the squad for a place. Afellay is exactly that. He's been awful though, we don't need him. Ireland is better Afellay, he should be playing ahead of him. For whatever reason the manager isn't giving him the chances he deserved after the Spurs game. Adam is a massive part of the problem we have currently going forward. Because he's got 18 months and clearly has his sights set bigger than us. I'd be far happier if he signed a new contract. He played well in spurts last season too and the stats made out he defended well. Watching him though and it was different. I still feel the same. He was better vs Chelsea though but only because of massive bollockings from the captain. As I've said crouch won't play because there are 3 better striker better than him in the squad but that doesn't make him obeselte he still offers an option and that's why he's always in the squad Wingies days are numbered and he won't be back in the line up but to say he was awful against Chelsea is a bit harsh considering everyone was playing backs against the wall Affelay hasn't been awful and it's a bit laughable the agenda you have against him tbh. Indifferent would be a better word but every game he has improved and there are signs that he is a player Pound for pound over the years affelay has been far better than Ireland. Nowadays they are pretty much of the same ability. Largely indifferent but can produce some creativity. Ireland isn't paying because Bojan is back and is by far our best midfielder I don't know why you would think Adam has his mind set on something bigger than us. He knows Stoke are his level, don't think he's praying Arsenal or Liverpool pinch him in January. He's happy here and he's playing well In a position he's Hardly played in his career
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Nov 7, 2015 15:10:58 GMT
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Post by Onneravineet on Nov 7, 2015 15:10:58 GMT
Quite how you take a VERY positive piece of news and spin it into a bitch is beyond me. Since Hughes our transfers have been completely different in an improved way and the average age of the squad has decreased. It was interesting to hear this week the highest average age of a squad was West Brom. We're no spring chicken in comparison but nevertheless we have quality pros such as Given, Crouch, Walters, Sidwell, Odem, Johnson, Whelan, Adam and Ireland to up the numbers. Has it decreased? Is that official? It's going to be about the same isn't it? More than half of those players we don't need......which is my point. Work it out yourself. My point is you're taking a positive piece of news and putting a negative spin on it Ben....sorry Bayern
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Nov 7, 2015 15:15:22 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 7, 2015 15:15:22 GMT
Has it decreased? Is that official? It's going to be about the same isn't it? More than half of those players we don't need......which is my point. Work it out yourself. My point is you're taking a positive piece of news and putting a negative spin on it Ben....sorry Bayern You work it out, you're the one using it as a point! It doesn't need spinning though. It's all there to us unless you've got blinkers on. Especially about our transfer policy. This is a bloke we were willing to sell in the summer if we could sign another 30+ year old who plays in a different position to him. And now he has a new two year contract. Our transfer policy clearly is an absolute cluster fuck. But lets gloss over that.
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Nov 7, 2015 15:18:58 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 7, 2015 15:18:58 GMT
Crouch shouldn't be playing if Joselu is fit. Wingie was atrocios vs Chelsea. He can't seem to get fit and is behind everyone else in the squad for a place. Afellay is exactly that. He's been awful though, we don't need him. Ireland is better Afellay, he should be playing ahead of him. For whatever reason the manager isn't giving him the chances he deserved after the Spurs game. Adam is a massive part of the problem we have currently going forward. Because he's got 18 months and clearly has his sights set bigger than us. I'd be far happier if he signed a new contract. He played well in spurts last season too and the stats made out he defended well. Watching him though and it was different. I still feel the same. He was better vs Chelsea though but only because of massive bollockings from the captain. As I've said crouch won't play because there are 3 better striker better than him in the squad but that doesn't make him obeselte he still offers an option and that's why he's always in the squad Wingies days are numbered and he won't be back in the line up but to say he was awful against Chelsea is a bit harsh considering everyone was playing backs against the wall Affelay hasn't been awful and it's a bit laughable the agenda you have against him tbh. Indifferent would be a better word but every game he has improved and there are signs that he is a player Pound for pound over the years affelay has been far better than Ireland. Nowadays they are pretty much of the same ability. Largely indifferent but can produce some creativity. Ireland isn't paying because Bojan is back and is by far our best midfielder I don't know why you would think Adam has his mind set on something bigger than us. He knows Stoke are his level, don't think he's praying Arsenal or Liverpool pinch him in January. He's happy here and he's playing well In a position he's Hardly played in his career We don't need 4 strikers. It's an absolute waste. He was.......mainly down to the fact we played the ball to him as a target man but his touch was dreadful etc and I thought he was bone idle. I was really disappointed with him. What agenda? Do tell me because I certainly don't know what agenda it is. What has he done? Absolutely sod all! Which for a supposed creative, attacking player isn't good enough. Ireland shouldn't be starting but Bojan should be dropped. I don't think Adam does......I think Arnie does.....he will have.
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Nov 7, 2015 15:23:19 GMT
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Post by barcaontrent on Nov 7, 2015 15:23:19 GMT
As I've said crouch won't play because there are 3 better striker better than him in the squad but that doesn't make him obeselte he still offers an option and that's why he's always in the squad Wingies days are numbered and he won't be back in the line up but to say he was awful against Chelsea is a bit harsh considering everyone was playing backs against the wall Affelay hasn't been awful and it's a bit laughable the agenda you have against him tbh. Indifferent would be a better word but every game he has improved and there are signs that he is a player Pound for pound over the years affelay has been far better than Ireland. Nowadays they are pretty much of the same ability. Largely indifferent but can produce some creativity. Ireland isn't paying because Bojan is back and is by far our best midfielder I don't know why you would think Adam has his mind set on something bigger than us. He knows Stoke are his level, don't think he's praying Arsenal or Liverpool pinch him in January. He's happy here and he's playing well In a position he's Hardly played in his career We don't need 4 strikers. It's an absolute waste. He was.......mainly down to the fact we played the ball to him as a target man but his touch was dreadful etc and I thought he was bone idle. I was really disappointed with him. What agenda? Do tell me because I certainly don't know what agenda it is. What has he done? Absolutely sod all! Which for a supposed creative, attacking player isn't good enough. Ireland shouldn't be starting but Bojan should be dropped. I don't think Adam does......I think Arnie does.....he will have. you clearly do, exactly the same with your agenda against Cameron but I won't get into that . Why should bojan be dropped. Scored 2 already and is setting up attacks. He needs to play to get fitness aswell. And if Ireland shouldn't start who the fuck are we gonna play there ? Affelay ahaha. As I've said already, no indication that Arnie wants to leave. He's still got a year and a half, don't worry, it'll get sorted
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