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Dec 20, 2015 16:04:40 GMT
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 20, 2015 16:04:40 GMT
I was his biggest critic when he first came , but over the seasons his all out running , hassling , and goals and not let's forget his price tag, SJW has been a fantastic servant for Stoke
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 20, 2015 16:19:10 GMT
A whipping boy? It's a forum for discussion, no one has said Jons crap, strikes me there are some fair comments. Unfortunate that it offends but hey ho, that's a forum for you. I've said he's crap and I stand by it. He is. Most of the time, he's painful to watch, just as he was yesterday with his first woeful touch gifting them a chance on goal Yeah. And that sitter he missed when he was one on one with the keeper, all the time in the world..... .....actually,sorry, that was Bojan. But we won't start threads about it, and go on and on about it because he's played for Barce, Ajax etc etc..... .....instead let's attack Walters again, even though he only played for twenty minutes. Because he's Jon Walters and he played for Chester, Ipswich etc etc......
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 20, 2015 16:29:15 GMT
I've said he's crap and I stand by it. He is. Most of the time, he's painful to watch, just as he was yesterday with his first woeful touch gifting them a chance on goal Yeah. And that sitter he missed when he was one on one with the keeper, all the time in the world..... .....actually,sorry, that was Bojan. But we won't start threads about it, and go on and on about it because he's played for Barce, Ajax etc etc..... .....instead let's attack Walters again, even though he only played for twenty minutes. Because he's Jon Walters and he played for Chester, Ipswich etc etc...... It matters not which club he came from. Bojan should have scored, absolutely no doubt about it, just as Diouf, Arnie and Van Ginkel should have done last week. Sadly, when it comes to actual ability, an ability to miss a chance is about the only thing Bojan and Walters have in common. I'll go on about it when Bojan continually misses sitters with all the time in the world, but we all know that is unlikely to happen. Walters is toss and when he's thrown into a side with talents such as Affellay, Bojan, Arnie and Shaqiri, he looks even more out of place, just as he did yesterday, and the week before that, and the one before that. Come to think of it, it's how he's looked in pretty much every game he's played since scoring against Leicester back on the 19th September. He's a trier and a willing workhouse. No more, no less. It's painful to watch at times, just as it was at Newcastle, Sunderland and again in his lousy 20 minute cameo yesterday.
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Dec 20, 2015 16:56:16 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 20, 2015 16:56:16 GMT
I've said he's crap and I stand by it. He is. Most of the time, he's painful to watch, just as he was yesterday with his first woeful touch gifting them a chance on goal Yeah. And that sitter he missed when he was one on one with the keeper, all the time in the world..... .....actually,sorry, that was Bojan. But we won't start threads about it, and go on and on about it because he's played for Barce, Ajax etc etc..... .....instead let's attack Walters again, even though he only played for twenty minutes. Because he's Jon Walters and he played for Chester, Ipswich etc etc...... Deflection tactics again. Did Jon play well yesterday? Did he play well at West Ham?
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Dec 20, 2015 17:01:36 GMT
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Post by luciani on Dec 20, 2015 17:01:36 GMT
Anyone who says Jon Walters is rubbish knows nowt about football. That is all.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 20, 2015 17:01:59 GMT
Such a shame Peter Odemwingie is neither fit nor showing any signs of being able to properly recover from his injury.
The pre-injury version of Odemwingie would have been perfect in the current team.
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SJW
Dec 20, 2015 17:03:09 GMT
Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 20, 2015 17:03:09 GMT
Anyone who says Jon Walters is rubbish knows nowt about football. That is all. The same could be said about those who believe him to be anything other than a very limited workhorse!
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Post by upthefud on Dec 20, 2015 17:09:27 GMT
Yeah. And that sitter he missed when he was one on one with the keeper, all the time in the world..... .....actually,sorry, that was Bojan. But we won't start threads about it, and go on and on about it because he's played for Barce, Ajax etc etc..... .....instead let's attack Walters again, even though he only played for twenty minutes. Because he's Jon Walters and he played for Chester, Ipswich etc etc...... It matters not which club he came from. Bojan should have scored, absolutely no doubt about it, just as Diouf, Arnie and Van Ginkel should have done last week. Sadly, when it comes to actual ability, an ability to miss a chance is about the only thing Bojan and Walters have in common. I'll go on about it when Bojan continually misses sitters with all the time in the world, but we all know that is unlikely to happen. Walters is toss and when he's thrown into a side with talents such as Affellay, Bojan, Arnie and Shaqiri, he looks even more out of place, just as he did yesterday, and the week before that, and the one before that. Come to think of it, it's how he's looked in pretty much every game he's played since scoring against Leicester back on the 19th September. He's a trier and a willing workhouse. No more, no less. It's painful to watch at times, just as it was at Newcastle, Sunderland and again in his lousy 20 minute cameo yesterday. Got to Walters is toss and stopped reading. Any good points you may have previously made were negated.
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SJW
Dec 20, 2015 17:18:28 GMT
Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 20, 2015 17:18:28 GMT
It matters not which club he came from. Bojan should have scored, absolutely no doubt about it, just as Diouf, Arnie and Van Ginkel should have done last week. Sadly, when it comes to actual ability, an ability to miss a chance is about the only thing Bojan and Walters have in common. I'll go on about it when Bojan continually misses sitters with all the time in the world, but we all know that is unlikely to happen. Walters is toss and when he's thrown into a side with talents such as Affellay, Bojan, Arnie and Shaqiri, he looks even more out of place, just as he did yesterday, and the week before that, and the one before that. Come to think of it, it's how he's looked in pretty much every game he's played since scoring against Leicester back on the 19th September. He's a trier and a willing workhouse. No more, no less. It's painful to watch at times, just as it was at Newcastle, Sunderland and again in his lousy 20 minute cameo yesterday. Got to Walters is toss and stopped reading. Any good points you may have previously made were negated. Well he sure as hell isn't good is he? When was the last time he had a good game, either starting or coming on as a sub? Diouf came on for a similar period than Walters last week and fashioned two chances for himself and generally looked a nuisance and a threat. Walters came on yesterday and created a great chance for the opposition and didn't do a whole lot else. It's mind boggling baffling and very very frustrating. I may criticise him on this forum but I actually feel slightly sorry for him. He looks like a fish out of water surrounded by the players we have. He is so limited it's untrue.
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Dec 20, 2015 17:27:22 GMT
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 20, 2015 17:27:22 GMT
When you say mama fashioned two chances for himself you didn't add that he fucked them up and really should of scored the second one but that's football , he cost us nothing , SJW cost us peanuts so in reality you can't expect miracles of those two , now if Walters and mama had cost 12 million each then yes they have the right to be criticised , but at the moment add up our first team cost yesterday and I'm premier league value we are punching well above our weight
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 20, 2015 18:14:16 GMT
Yeah. And that sitter he missed when he was one on one with the keeper, all the time in the world..... .....actually,sorry, that was Bojan. But we won't start threads about it, and go on and on about it because he's played for Barce, Ajax etc etc..... .....instead let's attack Walters again, even though he only played for twenty minutes. Because he's Jon Walters and he played for Chester, Ipswich etc etc...... Deflection tactics again. Did Jon play well yesterday? Did he play well at West Ham? He was barely on the pitch. I thought he did ok when he came on. Certainly didn't look out of place and for that twenty minutes or so we were clearly the better team. But of course none of that matters when you've already decided he's shit and therefore will play shit.
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Dec 20, 2015 18:26:02 GMT
Post by Pugsley on Dec 20, 2015 18:26:02 GMT
When you say mama fashioned two chances for himself you didn't add that he fucked them up and really should of scored the second one but that's football , he cost us nothing , SJW cost us peanuts so in reality you can't expect miracles of those two , now if Walters and mama had cost 12 million each then yes they have the right to be criticised , but at the moment add up our first team cost yesterday and I'm premier league value we are punching well above our weight Walters cost more (a lot more) than Bojan and Diouf combined.
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SJW
Dec 20, 2015 18:28:39 GMT
Post by numpty40 on Dec 20, 2015 18:28:39 GMT
There was a moment after Jon came on yesterday when he tried to play a through ball to Shaq and it was so over hit Shaq looked at Jon as if to say WTF? I actually felt a little sorry for Jon.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 20, 2015 18:39:19 GMT
This is all good - SJW invariably rams the criticism back from where it came from so we should be in for a couple of goals soon!
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Dec 20, 2015 18:55:32 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 20, 2015 18:55:32 GMT
Deflection tactics again. Did Jon play well yesterday? Did he play well at West Ham? He was barely on the pitch. I thought he did ok when he came on. Certainly didn't look out of place and for that twenty minutes or so we were clearly the better team. But of course none of that matters when you've already decided he's shit and therefore will play shit. As expected. Nothing to see here. Obviously love IS blind after all.
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Dec 20, 2015 19:07:48 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 20, 2015 19:07:48 GMT
He was barely on the pitch. I thought he did ok when he came on. Certainly didn't look out of place and for that twenty minutes or so we were clearly the better team. But of course none of that matters when you've already decided he's shit and therefore will play shit. As expected. Nothing to see here. Obviously love IS blind after all. There's none so blind as those that won't see.
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Post by chad on Dec 20, 2015 19:37:56 GMT
What I like best about SJW is his continuing ability time and time again to make his critics eat their words
No doubt one day he'll be unable to do it and all these know alls will be able to say I told you so Until then
GOAAARRRN JON
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Post by riponstokie on Dec 20, 2015 19:43:32 GMT
Anyone who says Jon Walters is rubbish knows nowt about football. That is all. The same could be said about those who believe him to be anything other than a very limited workhorse! Not true at all...That goal at Wembley, That goal against Chelsea and a prefect premier hat trick all suggest it is those who say he is rubbish that know nothing about football...
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Dec 20, 2015 20:02:39 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 20, 2015 20:02:39 GMT
The same could be said about those who believe him to be anything other than a very limited workhorse! Not true at all...That goal at Wembley, That goal against Chelsea and a prefect premier hat trick all suggest it is those who say he is rubbish that know nothing about football... How about 2 own goals, a missed penalty and kicking the ball into his own face? All in the same game!
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Dec 20, 2015 20:05:38 GMT
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Post by scfcwebby on Dec 20, 2015 20:05:38 GMT
The same could be said about those who believe him to be anything other than a very limited workhorse! Not true at all...That goal at Wembley, That goal against Chelsea and a prefect premier hat trick all suggest it is those who say he is rubbish that know nothing about football... Good 3 examples but what else? I remember that game against Chelsea, the one where he smashed the ball into his own face, scored 2 own goals and missed a penalty?? Oh wait, you didn't mean that one?? I'm not going to jump on and say that he is shit because he isn't, but I also don't think that he is good enough! He has been poor since he signed his contract and he was poor up until the time that he was trying to get said contract. A good squad player to be used in cups and cover the bench when players are injured etc but nothing more! Only my opinion of course and people will disagree EDIT - bollocks johnno you beat me to it
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Dec 20, 2015 20:30:11 GMT
Post by potterpaul on Dec 20, 2015 20:30:11 GMT
Mark Hughes is a fantastic manager but the last 2 games he's brought on JW when a game is in the balance. I sometimes wonder if he knows his players strengths and weaknesses.
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Dec 20, 2015 20:56:38 GMT
Post by jimmygscfc on Dec 20, 2015 20:56:38 GMT
Exactly, it's the manager who brings him on. If we're protecting Mame because of the recent loss he suffered then fair enough, but he was okay to come on last week and fine to sit on the bench yesterday. Yes, I would agree with those who feel Walters no longer fits the way we're looking to play, and he's certainly not the striker we need to score 15 in a season (Mame could well be), but he's been a fantastic servant to our club and a bit of a folk hero. Irrespective of his new contract, I don't think Jon Walters would ever give less than his best, it's just that his best is no longer over 90 minutes and it'll be seen less and less. It's ridiculous to criticise Walters following a defeat when one solution to the problem we have (scoring goals) was sat on the bench. I'd love to know what the manager's thoughts are. We're all frustrated by yesterday but Walters isn't the reason we lost.
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Post by riponstokie on Dec 20, 2015 23:28:12 GMT
Not true at all...That goal at Wembley, That goal against Chelsea and a prefect premier hat trick all suggest it is those who say he is rubbish that know nothing about football... Good 3 examples but what else? I remember that game against Chelsea, the one where he smashed the ball into his own face, scored 2 own goals and missed a penalty?? Oh wait, you didn't mean that one?? I'm not going to jump on and say that he is shit because he isn't, but I also don't think that he is good enough! He has been poor since he signed his contract and he was poor up until the time that he was trying to get said contract. A good squad player to be used in cups and cover the bench when players are injured etc but nothing more! Only my opinion of course and people will disagree EDIT - bollocks johnno you beat me to it So you pick 1 game where he had a nightmare? I'll tell you what else, goal against Chelsea in the cup, against Liverpool on Boxing Day, scorer of most goals currently at Stoke. We all know Walters is no Bojan or Shaqiri by any stretch...however to score double figures and a hat trick in the premier league takes a bit more then being able to run about?
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Dec 20, 2015 23:36:13 GMT
Post by spitthedog on Dec 20, 2015 23:36:13 GMT
I've said he's crap and I stand by it. He is. Most of the time, he's painful to watch, just as he was yesterday with his first woeful touch gifting them a chance on goal Yeah. And that sitter he missed when he was one on one with the keeper, all the time in the world..... .....actually,sorry, that was Bojan. But we won't start threads about it, and go on and on about it because he's played for Barce, Ajax etc etc..... .....instead let's attack Walters again, even though he only played for twenty minutes. Because he's Jon Walters and he played for Chester, Ipswich etc etc...... Ridiculous post. Isolate one incident and make a case from it, won't you? If you are comparing Walters all round play with Bojans good luck to you mate? The ball bounces off Walters with regular occurrence ( I.e not just once!) and Bojan? Walters is not the reason we lost, but we are not going to progress with him in the team. Mentally he's miles behind the others.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 20, 2015 23:42:07 GMT
Yeah. And that sitter he missed when he was one on one with the keeper, all the time in the world..... .....actually,sorry, that was Bojan. But we won't start threads about it, and go on and on about it because he's played for Barce, Ajax etc etc..... .....instead let's attack Walters again, even though he only played for twenty minutes. Because he's Jon Walters and he played for Chester, Ipswich etc etc...... Ridiculous post. Isolate one incident and make a case from it, won't you? If you are comparing Walters all round play with Bojans good luck to you mate? The ball bounces off Walters with regular occurrence ( I.e not just once!) and Bojan? Walters is not the reason we lost, but we are not going to progress with him in the team. Mentally he's miles behind the others. What th heck do you mean - Walters all round contribution to Stoke over the years has been immense. A little appreciation would be good.
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Dec 21, 2015 3:12:05 GMT
Post by spitthedog on Dec 21, 2015 3:12:05 GMT
Ridiculous post. Isolate one incident and make a case from it, won't you? If you are comparing Walters all round play with Bojans good luck to you mate? The ball bounces off Walters with regular occurrence ( I.e not just once!) and Bojan? Walters is not the reason we lost, but we are not going to progress with him in the team. Mentally he's miles behind the others. What th heck do you mean - Walters all round contribution to Stoke over the years has been immense. A little appreciation would be good. I accept he has contributed, so did Ric Fuller but I don't want him back in the team now.
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Dec 21, 2015 4:09:45 GMT
Post by wuzza on Dec 21, 2015 4:09:45 GMT
What th heck do you mean - Walters all round contribution to Stoke over the years has been immense. A little appreciation would be good. I accept he has contributed, so did Ric Fuller but I don't want him back in the team now. So SJW has a couple of 'indifferent' games (not even full games) and he is now past it in the same manner as someone who effectively retired about 3 years ago. Thats not very fair.
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Post by upthefud on Dec 21, 2015 5:07:23 GMT
I accept he has contributed, so did Ric Fuller but I don't want him back in the team now. So SJW has a couple of 'indifferent' games (not even full games) and he is now past it in the same manner as someone who effectively retired about 3 years ago. Thats not very fair. It's never fair with Walters mate, and people never learn. Thankfully the money men and Hughes can see his value.
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Post by RAF on Dec 21, 2015 6:11:54 GMT
Walters is neither shit nor super. He's a bloke who you want in the trenches with you when the chips are down. Limited in skill but a massive heart!
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Dec 21, 2015 8:41:14 GMT
Post by pmjh on Dec 21, 2015 8:41:14 GMT
He's that shit that the team sitting proudly at the top of the premier league wanted to sign him a few weeks ago.
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