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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 8:57:10 GMT
Your mistaking debate for support I travelled 3000 miles to yesterday's game , never have and never will boo a stoke player or shout criticism at the game and will support the honest ones like Marc Wilson through thick and thin in the face of pathetic criticism Thats support holding a Belief that the summer showed a chronic lack of investment despite the jaw jaw and a material weakening of our first team is simply an opinion for which I've taken some abuse fair enough don't say it if your not prepared to debate it legitimately . Hard to debate with someone who use sentences such as "........despite the jaw jaw and a material weakening of our first team". Try reading back what you write before pressing send and it might help and I say that in all seriousness as it's generally unfathomable...,,,,
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Post by flinteastwood on Oct 25, 2015 8:58:31 GMT
Ive never been his biggest fan but he's gone up in my estimation, he was absolutely shit yesterday but fair play hes bit the bullet, manned up and apologised.
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Post by scfcwebby on Oct 25, 2015 9:01:22 GMT
Your mistaking debate for support I travelled 3000 miles to yesterday's game , never have and never will boo a stoke player or shout criticism at the game and will support the honest ones like Marc Wilson through thick and thin in the face of pathetic criticism Thats support holding a Belief that the summer showed a chronic lack of investment despite the jaw jaw and a material weakening of our first team is simply an opinion for which I've taken some abuse fair enough don't say it if your not prepared to debate it legitimately . Honest question then, why do you ONLY pipe up when there is something negative that has happened? Or put a negative spin on something positive?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 25, 2015 9:02:00 GMT
I've never been a great fan of Wilson but for large parts of last season he was excellent.
When Ryan returns he will have a bad game or 2 through rustiness alone and he will be given the benefit of the doubt.
Wilson has been out injured and that's what, his first league start of the season? He too should be given the same benefit that Ryan will be afforded.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 9:08:50 GMT
I've never been a great fan of Wilson but for large parts of last season he was excellent. When Ryan returns he will have a bad game or 2 through rustiness alone and he will be given the benefit of the doubt. Wilson has been out injured and that's what, his first league start of the season? He too should be given the same benefit that Ryan will be afforded. I agree to a certain extent Dave but lets be honest, Wilson is our Titus Bramble, he makes too many mistakes. I honestly thing Wilson took the brunt of the crowds overall frustrations yesterday. His mistake was a culmination of too much fannying around by EVERYONE. The crowd were on edge and after his ricket Wilson took it for everyone. Its not the right thing to do but in the circumstances understandable.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 25, 2015 9:11:25 GMT
It's grossly unfair to compare him to Titfuck Bumble.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 25, 2015 9:12:06 GMT
Webby If you bother to check I was hear after villa Bournemouth and Swansea stating all were huge result and praising the maangmern 10 out of 10 for the Swansea result Im of the view I can't See us getting more than early thirties poimts and have Said so since June so every point is precious hence I celebrate the positive results probably more than those who we 50 or even 60 points as I don't believe we have any margin for error the negative merely endorse my view that far from next level we are materially weaker this year than last . We have underinvested over a sustained peroos and bought poorly with the exception of Johnson this summer and Gravity is having its way with us slowly but surely .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 9:14:38 GMT
It's grossly unfair to compare him to Titfuck Bumble. You reckon? For me the comparison is perfect. Plays well 95% of the time but a lack of concentration costs the team dear. If Wilson could cut out the mistakes he'd be great but he can't hence Titus Bramble. Wilson plays regularly he will make too many mistakes. I don't agree with booing him one iota though.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 25, 2015 9:15:19 GMT
Bramble looked constantly shaky. He didn't 'play well most of the time'.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 9:17:25 GMT
Webby If you bother to check I was hear after villa Bournemouth and Swansea stating all were huge result and praising the maangmern 10 out of 10 for the Swansea result Im of the view I can't See us getting more than early thirties poimts and have Said so since June so every point is precious hence I celebrate the positive results probably more than those who we 50 or even 60 points as I don't believe we have any margin for error the negative merely endorse my view that far from next level we are materially weaker this year than last . We have underinvested over a sustained peroos and bought poorly with the exception of Johnson this summer and Gravity is having its way with us slowly but surely . Only 2 words can sum you up. Illiterate Twat.
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Post by Bombus on Oct 25, 2015 9:17:28 GMT
We have some dickhead fans don't we.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 25, 2015 9:19:46 GMT
Shanghai
Illiterate twat who was at the match
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 9:20:43 GMT
Bramble looked constantly shaky. He didn't 'play well most of the time'. I didn't see him every week so can't really make an in depth judgement but 300 top flight appearances under several different managers says different. Looking from the outside though his main problem was concentration rather than ability, hence the Wilson comparison.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 25, 2015 9:25:35 GMT
Bramble looked constantly shaky. He didn't 'play well most of the time'. I didn't see him every week so can't really make an in depth judgement but 300 top flight appearances under several different managers says different. Looking from the outside though his main problem was concentration rather than ability, hence the Wilson comparison. Ask Newcastle fans what they thought of him. Wilson has mistakes in him but he's generally a decent centre half. Those lapses will stop him being first choice anywhere in the top flight for any length of time, but he isn't a walking calamity and has had plenty of good games for us. He just had a bad game yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 9:26:38 GMT
Webby If you bother to check I was hear after villa Bournemouth and Swansea stating all were huge result and praising the maangmern 10 out of 10 for the Swansea result Im of the view I can't See us getting more than early thirties poimts and have Said so since June so every point is precious hence I celebrate the positive results probably more than those who we 50 or even 60 points as I don't believe we have any margin for error the negative merely endorse my view that far from next level we are materially weaker this year than last . We have underinvested over a sustained peroos and bought poorly with the exception of Johnson this summer and Gravity is having its way with us slowly but surely . Hear should be here. villa should have a capital V and a comma after it. result should be results. maangmern I presume is Manager. see...Why capital letter.. poimts should be points. said...Why capital letter. The bit in the middle is just gibberish. peroos, not a clue. Very poor effort. 1/10. See me after School.
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Post by saraneus on Oct 25, 2015 9:26:59 GMT
Ok, Marc made a mistake but you have to look at the bigger picture. What on earth was he doing defending right back. When Cameron went off he should have been centre - left where he is more natural. Where was Johnson and where was Wolly? It's a management mistake. Another management mistake is to play Adam instead of Cameron in defensive midfield role.
Butland Johnson, Wollscheid, Muniesa, Wilson (Until Shawcross is back)
Cameron
Shaqiri, Bojan, Arnautovic
Walters, Diouf
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 9:27:59 GMT
Shanghai Illiterate twat who was at the match Maybe you ought to enrol for an adult literacy class and watch MOTD instead.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 9:31:33 GMT
I didn't see him every week so can't really make an in depth judgement but 300 top flight appearances under several different managers says different. Looking from the outside though his main problem was concentration rather than ability, hence the Wilson comparison. Ask Newcastle fans what they thought of him. Wilson has mistakes in him but he's generally a decent centre half. Those lapses will stop him being first choice anywhere in the top flight for any length of time, but he isn't a walking calamity and has had plenty of good games for us. He just had a bad game yesterday. We will have to agree to disagree Chief. IMO Wilson has made too many mistakes playing at centre half for us and is an accident waiting to happen. He switches off far too often and at this level you will get severely punished. To be honest though he's the least of our worries. We simply arn't creating enough chances.
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Post by capto on Oct 25, 2015 9:32:56 GMT
It would have helped him if some of the other 10 on the pitch had worked to get in space to receive the ball from him - if they couldn't be arsed to do that, then maybe they could have stirred themselves into a shout of 'man on' & 'lump it' - but maybe we're not allowed to lump it anymore? MW taking the hit for the other 10 who let the team down?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 25, 2015 9:45:00 GMT
I've never been a great fan of Wilson but for large parts of last season he was excellent. When Ryan returns he will have a bad game or 2 through rustiness alone and he will be given the benefit of the doubt. Wilson has been out injured and that's what, his first league start of the season? He too should be given the same benefit that Ryan will be afforded. I agree to a certain extent Dave but lets be honest, Wilson is our Titus Bramble, he makes too many mistakes. I honestly thing Wilson took the brunt of the crowds overall frustrations yesterday. His mistake was a culmination of too much fannying around by EVERYONE. The crowd were on edge and after his ricket Wilson took it for everyone. Its not the right thing to do but in the circumstances understandable. Can't disagree with any of your opening comments though can't comment on crowd reaction coz i wasn't there. I get the bramble comparison as well. He had many a decent game against us for Newcastle and Wigan. Re Wilson though, I thought he really came through when we needed him last season. No Ryan seemed to focus his mind and he was great with no stupid errors to speak of. It isn't easy to come in from the cold, as a sub and play well. Look at Ryan's England debut. It sounds like he wasn't alone in playing poorly yesterday.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Oct 25, 2015 9:49:36 GMT
well done Marc Wilson.
Nice to see honesty and he is right, his rustiness'/lack of game time showed.
People make mistakes. What really annoyed me yesterday was the performance of a lot of the other outfield players, who had done well in recent weeks but just did not show up yesterday.
In particular, Joselu who did well at Swansea, he's just played himself out of the team for some time to come having provided one of the worst performances I have ever seen from a centre forward.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Oct 25, 2015 10:27:44 GMT
Fair play for apologising.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 25, 2015 10:27:34 GMT
It's grossly unfair to compare him to Titfuck Bumble. No it's not. Titus Bramble was a very good defender who was prone to game changing mistakes. Wilson is exactly the same. Not shit like Danny Collins or Sonko, overall a good player but prone to mistakes which can change a game. Those attacking him on Twitter are fucking morons though. Unacceptable and should be ashamed of themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 10:32:51 GMT
Is there a reply from one of those smug Manure fans in there. Wilson's tweet that is. Shitty big club Manure, aren't they?
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Post by mozzer on Oct 25, 2015 10:34:49 GMT
Just posted this in another thread but it is probably better suited here than the original thread (Copied and Pasted from here)You can also add to your list the few supporters around the ground that thought it would be a moral boosting gesture of Booing Wilson the next time he touched the ball after his calamity that led to the 2nd goal, or the few that thought the way to rebuild his confidence after the fans turned had on him with booing him would be to give him a sarcastic cheer the next time he cleared the ball ......well done the few, what did you did after the game scratch his car just to enforce your disapproval. Yes overall like a few more out there he was Gash, and it was very amateurish for a professional footballer to be caught in possession with so much time on the ball but he wears the red and whites and as such deserved to be supported rather than ridiculed, a bad day at the office all around pitch to the stands, it was not all bad news though the pies were hot.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 10:41:30 GMT
Yesterday was shit. No escaping the fact. Losing, with a shit performance, ruins my weekend.
But not as much as having to breathe the same air as some of our so-called fucking 'fans'.
I would honestly prefer to see 10,000 supporters every week again, like the bad old days, if it meant that these mouth-breathers stayed away, doing whatever else floats their fucking boats.
It's ever likely Stoke as a place is on its arse. It's full of 'Oi, you owe me a living', uneducated fucktards.
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Post by Rastaman on Oct 25, 2015 10:46:08 GMT
A shocking game from Wilson but a real shame. I always enjoyed that little drag back he used to regularly do. I suppose it was going to go wrong at some point and boy did it happen yesterday. That said, we were already 1-0 down, playing log as a team, not converting chances or really testing their keeper and Woolly appeared to have played the whole game with roller skates on judging by how many times he went on his arse, including for the first goal. Awful match. Awful result. Move on and get the winning feeling back please.
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Post by roostershair on Oct 25, 2015 10:55:51 GMT
Makes me smile gutless half hearted part time simply not good enough all accurate descriptions of the home crowd yesterday . Wilson a bigger man than any of his detractors Fuck off and tell your internet war stories Watford pissed all over stoke in noise numbers and Taunting so let the rest of us carry on supporting the players In a to the wire relegation battle You really are a silly billy aren't benjy? Go and stick your head in a food blender and get Mummy to switch it on
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Post by roostershair on Oct 25, 2015 10:58:52 GMT
Webby If you bother to check I was hear after villa Bournemouth and Swansea stating all were huge result and praising the maangmern 10 out of 10 for the Swansea result Im of the view I can't See us getting more than early thirties poimts and have Said so since June so every point is precious hence I celebrate the positive results probably more than those who we 50 or even 60 points as I don't believe we have any margin for error the negative merely endorse my view that far from next level we are materially weaker this year than last . We have underinvested over a sustained peroos and bought poorly with the exception of Johnson this summer and Gravity is having its way with us slowly but surely . Hear should be here. villa should have a capital V and a comma after it. result should be results. maangmern I presume is Manager. see...Why capital letter.. poimts should be points. said...Why capital letter. The bit in the middle is just gibberish. peroos, not a clue. Very poor effort. 1/10. See me after School. For a damned good spanking
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Oct 25, 2015 11:00:05 GMT
Im not sure why in Modern football we have got rid of reserve football , very hard to come back into the standard with no games but the manager has to be questioned in terms of selecting him when Muniesa who has had a few games was avaialble
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