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Post by iglugluk on Dec 29, 2015 18:58:01 GMT
If Shakiri still played for Bayern or Inter the media would not have even raised the question. Surely if he was going to cross to Arnie then as he knew Arnie was some distance back but in oceans of space, he would have killed the ball, maybe taken it on a yard or two and then rolled it across the area? steady now, you're making a fairly reasonable argument for it being a deliberate shot. It's, actually, all about body shape I'll have you know
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 29, 2015 19:00:26 GMT
Nice timing mate ! As long as you got a drink, you can always catch up with the action on the TV later One of them things we all saw it on the concourse TV.. It'll always haunt, that will
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 29, 2015 19:09:11 GMT
If Shakiri still played for Bayern or Inter the media would not have even raised the question. Surely if he was going to cross to Arnie then as he knew Arnie was some distance back but in oceans of space, he would have killed the ball, maybe taken it on a yard or two and then rolled it across the area? Surely if he was going to shoot then as he knew he was some distance from goal but in oceans of space, he would have killed the ball, maybe taken it on a yard or two and then shot from close range? = exactly the same argument
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Post by iglugluk on Dec 29, 2015 19:10:50 GMT
No ... he meant it.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 29, 2015 19:12:59 GMT
It took awhile for anyone in the stands to react (I watched at home and the place sounded quiet). Honestly I was dumb struck, it took me a minute a comprehend what happened. As for the cross or hit debate? His hips were squared and he struck the ball to chip it, not cross. He's tried crazier shots, but it went off this time and he had the confidence from the first goal. It was a bit of magic but I'd honestly think the first goal was more impressive and indicative of our form. Joselu also had an amazing goal. He had his chance and took it perfectly, under the full pressure of the game being on the line. Altogether well remember shaqiris second goal and it'll be there at the end of the season for goty, but I'll remember the game as a whole. And there we have it. Shaqiri's hips cited without irony as an indicator of what is true or not. It was only a matter of time. When he does it again will you say the same then?
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 29, 2015 19:17:39 GMT
And there we have it. Shaqiri's hips cited without irony as an indicator of what is true or not. It was only a matter of time. When he does it again will you say the same then? It was just a joke about Shaqiri's hips not lying mate But if you mean the lob, for the millionth time, I'm not saying it was a fluke because I doubt his ability to do something like that - I think it was a fluke because to me it looked like he was trying to pull it back. 'kin aider
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 29, 2015 19:19:50 GMT
When he does it again will you say the same then? It was just a joke about Shaqiri's hips not lying mate But if you mean the lob, for the millionth time, I'm not saying it was a fluke because I doubt his ability to do something like that - I think it was a fluke because to me it looked like he was trying to pull it back. 'kin aider Well, if I was him I wouldn't bother scoring another one like that the way you're going on. Steak and bloody chips
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 29, 2015 19:26:34 GMT
Is this the same Potterlog what said over and over wed never take more than 2500 to Valencia. Least bayerns' glad youve taken the heat of him for a while Well, that wasn't what I said, but yes, the very same
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Post by Anto1962 on Dec 29, 2015 19:28:46 GMT
Thirteen passes involved in the setting up of the goal, slowly picking Evetons rearguard apart before the final three telling passes. Wonderful goal and a great performance.
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Post by richardparker on Dec 29, 2015 19:33:53 GMT
It took awhile for anyone in the stands to react (I watched at home and the place sounded quiet). Honestly I was dumb struck, it took me a minute a comprehend what happened. As for the cross or hit debate? His hips were squared and he struck the ball to chip it, not cross. He's tried crazier shots, but it went off this time and he had the confidence from the first goal. It was a bit of magic but I'd honestly think the first goal was more impressive and indicative of our form. Joselu also had an amazing goal. He had his chance and took it perfectly, under the full pressure of the game being on the line. Altogether well remember shaqiris second goal and it'll be there at the end of the season for goty, but I'll remember the game as a whole. And there we have it. Shaqiri's hips cited without irony as an indicator of what is true or not. It was only a matter of time. Wright could never score a goal like this Shearer and Gary can wish Como se llama? Xerdhan, El Maestro SHAQIRI, SHAQIRI
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Dec 29, 2015 19:37:02 GMT
Everyone in the away end thought it landed on the top of the goal net.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 29, 2015 19:46:54 GMT
I'm renowned for my love of John Stones. He makes more errors than Wolly. Watching them yesterday, they are actually very similar, build, running style, the way they pass, everything. Quite disconcerting. And both very iffy for a few goals! And I think it's a peno. I can't see a touch on the ball but even if there is with where it goes Arnie can still reach that until Stones' other leg kicks him. Clear pen.
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Post by overthehills on Dec 29, 2015 20:08:04 GMT
After watching it again, think the linesman communicates with the ref telling ref stones not touched ball cuz initially it looks like the ref pointed to say no pen and then after communication in earpiece then gives a penalty. Right decision was made. If Ryan/wolly had lunged in like that I'm damn well sure the ref would off gave it too.
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Post by richardparker on Dec 29, 2015 20:18:09 GMT
If you still have any doubt, watch the shot from the angle filmed from behind the goal. Shaqiri is a highly skillful, professional and international footballer. He is capable of scoring goals like this without them being a fluke. Take my word! As to why people get irate about your doubting if this was meant ... Well for starters, it's important to credit anyone for the ability they have (and what they achieve with it). When it's a Stoke player, then that multiplies tenfold. Did you read the post you quoted? You've just literally exemplified the "failure of logic" I referred to. I know he is capable of scoring goals like this without them being a fluke. You've lost me!
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Post by metalhead on Dec 29, 2015 20:22:10 GMT
Watched it again. I really can't decide. My instinct says no but the more I watch it, the more I think it's bang on. He makes very little contact with the ball, Arnie still has a chance of catching that ball until his legs were swept away.
Very iffy and definitely not 100%.
Don't feel too sorry though, remember that point that got at our place? Feels not so bad.
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Post by colinroberts1 on Dec 29, 2015 20:22:53 GMT
Even stones touched the ball there was still a chance Arnie would of got to the ball before Howard and an opportunity to score or play across the box had he not had his legs taken, penalty for me and they would of demanded it had it been other way round! This ^ Stones took ball with left leg an made sure arnie went no further with right leg !not a foul for taking the ball but maybe the liner saw stones right leg take arnie out !! Maybe !
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 29, 2015 20:25:08 GMT
As clear a penalty as you'll ever see.
Stones brought Arnie down with his right leg; if he had not Arnie would have reached the ball and would have been able to get a shot on goal.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2015 20:29:27 GMT
Has anyone got another link to this incident,not seen as I was down Ally Pally for the Arrers yesterday.
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Post by skip on Dec 29, 2015 20:31:54 GMT
I honestly can't believe anyone doesn't think he meant exactly what he did! It's pretty obvious from the body shape and the clip spin he puts on the ball. I suspect maybe it's because the naysayers have nowhere near the ability to do that themselves that they can't conceive of anyone else doing it?That's precisely what I put on Twitter last night. Shearer can't comprehend having the skills speed and brains to do it so he casually dismisses Shaq's goal as a fluke.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 29, 2015 20:39:53 GMT
When Arnie was our main danger teams were double marking him, same with Bojan.
Now we have 3 players that opposing teams would ideally like to double mark, but they can't because then they'd only have 4 outfield players left :D
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Post by likelyladgalizmo on Dec 29, 2015 20:44:10 GMT
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 29, 2015 20:54:46 GMT
Everyone in the away end thought it landed on the top of the goal net. I certainly did. But then again Goodison is so shite it's hard to tell what the fuck is going on at the farside from the away end.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 29, 2015 20:56:00 GMT
Joselu's is some strike. He's missed far easier chances. Has he? His biggest problem has been not getting chances in the first place. I can barely remember him having a shot at goal let alone miss some chances.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 29, 2015 20:58:28 GMT
Everyone in the away end thought it landed on the top of the goal net. I certainly did - especially with the keeper showing no reaction at all coupled with Shaq doing his stand still impression in the corner. It was only when I saw our players heading over to the corner to celebrate with Shaq that I realised it was a goal. I don't know how long it took for me to realise it but in about 60 years of watching Stoke games, I'm sure that was the longest period between the ball going into the net and me realising we had scored.
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 29, 2015 20:59:23 GMT
Joselu's is some strike. He's missed far easier chances. Has he? His biggest problem has been not getting chances in the first place. I can barely remember him having a shot at goal let alone miss some chances. Glaring one v Spurs to win it in injury time, plus I can think of one other but not who it was against. Admittedly not many but his finishing has been a bit wild.
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Post by rambo61 on Dec 29, 2015 21:02:48 GMT
Thought it dropped on top of the goal. Shows what a shit view and ground. Couldn't see what happened then twatted my leg on one of the seat posts!!Best £43 I've ever spent!!!
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Post by elystokie on Dec 29, 2015 21:42:34 GMT
If I was an Everton fan I'd be disappointed at losing that game.Everton played really well I thought,probably edged it overall but that's nogger for you. I actually think they are a lot better than their position suggests...just as we are....I fully expect us both to be near the top 6 come the end of the season. I'm not convinced they are in a false position. They finished in the bottom half last season too. They have a world class striker, and some great attacking players around him. But their defence is a bit wank. Stones and Galloway are both overrated because they're young and English, and, despite their potential, their inexperience shows and yesterday wasn't the first time they've failed to kill a game off. There are a lot of similarities between this Everton side and Martinez's Wigan, and not in a good way. Us on the other hand, we are going places. Yesterday was a big game for us. Although our immediate position hasn't changed too dramatically, it puts us three points away from 5th and, more importantly, will have been a huge confidence booster. We must surely believe that we can beat anybody now, I do! "We must surely believe that we can beat anybody now, I do!" You and me both. Seldom have I felt like this, at times in the '70s and during the Macari years at times, but even then I don't think I had quite the confidence in us that I currently do.
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Post by potterglen on Dec 29, 2015 21:52:26 GMT
If I was an Everton fan I'd be disappointed at losing that game.Everton played really well I thought,probably edged it overall but that's nogger for you. I actually think they are a lot better than their position suggests...just as we are....I fully expect us both to be near the top 6 come the end of the season. Mm, I don't think they edged it, it was about as equal a game as you'll get. Difference was down to the experience of the defence at the crucial moment, Stones should have stayed on his feet. It was a great footballing spectacle that outshines every Cup final for many years.
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 29, 2015 23:01:43 GMT
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 29, 2015 23:13:38 GMT
When he does it again will you say the same then? It was just a joke about Shaqiri's hips not lying mate But if you mean the lob, for the millionth time, I'm not saying it was a fluke because I doubt his ability to do something like that - I think it was a fluke because to me it looked like he was trying to pull it back. 'kin aider I agree with you. I'm not convinced he meant it but that doesn't make me any less of a true stoke supporter or any less of an admirer of Shaqiri's skills. Only he knows, but if he didn't mean it, he's hardly likely to publicly admit that, given the level of praise being heaped on him by our supporters. But it really doesn't matter does it ? (which is why I haven't read through all this extraordinarily long thread on the topic). The only things which really matter surely are that we won the game in good style away from home against a good team, scoring four in the process, and that he's off the mark by scoring two of them.
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