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Post by kurt on Dec 13, 2015 10:23:41 GMT
Butland is a magnificent keeper but most of the saves he made today are the saves you expect a Premier League keeper to make. West Ham spent the whole of the first half shooting from outside the box. They weren't creating anything. 2nd half they were better but how many clear-cut opportunities did they create? Not more than two. In fact I would argue that the 2 best saves of the game both came from Adrian. Draw is a fair result though. So I would say - Butland - 8 (Good performance ) Johnson - 8 (Brilliant in defence, good attacking outlet) Ryan - 8 (Captain fantastic. He made a few mistakes but redeemed himself with a commanding defensive performance. The most important player in our team)Wolly - 8 (Another great performance from him. Really proud of the player he has become) Eric - 7 (Was careless in possession but he defended well against a lethal Antonio) Whelan - 7 (He was more adventurous today & looked tireless as always) Cameron - 7 (Good performance. Dominated the midfield in the first half, unlucky to go off injured) MVG - 5 (Didn't even realise that he on the pitch in the second half) Afellay - 7 (First Half he was probably our best player going forward. Looked tired in the 2nd half) Arnie - 6 (Couldn't influence the game. Was marked well by Tompkins. Should've done better with first half chance) Bojan - 7 (When Bojan plays well, Stoke play well. When he doesn't, we don't seem to create much. He had flashes of brilliance but he gave the ball away far too often and was unable to link attack & defence in the 2nd half. But I think he was ineffective in the false 9 position today because he was bullied off the ball. Slaven Bilic did his homework on us) Subs - Diouf - 6 (Should've won us the game. Needs to be cooler in front of goal) SJW - 5 (Wasted a brilliant through ball by Arnie. Was completely anonymous otherwise) Adam - 5 (Didn't have an impact on the game) I'm actually quite satisfied with the performance. We weren't at our best but we still arguably had the best chances in the game. Good point away from home. Hopefully we can win next week against an in form Crystal Palace. Really Think, he made some horrible mistakes yesterday
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 10:28:49 GMT
Butland - 8 Johnson - 8 Shawcross - 6 Wollscheid - 8 Pieters - 7 Whelan - 6 Cameron - 7 Afellay - 7 Van Ginkel - 5 Arnautovic - 6 Bojan - 6
Diouf - 6 Walters - 5 Adam - 6
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 13, 2015 10:34:39 GMT
Jack - 7 Ryan - 6 Wooly - 7 Eric - 7 MOM Johnson - 7 Glenn - 7 Cameron - 6 MVG - 6 Afellay - 6 Arnie - 6 Bojan - 6 Adam - 4 Diuof - 6 SJW - 5 Gouranga.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 13, 2015 10:35:51 GMT
Bit of a strange game.
We probably had 4 chances that were on the verge of being gilt-edged. Almost inconceivable that we didn't score.
But thought the performance level wasn't great overall, and none of the attacking players were really on it and there was a general air of sloppiness abounding.
Couldn't really argue with a draw over the 90 minutes.
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Post by fca47 on Dec 13, 2015 10:41:35 GMT
Don't think so. Lump it down the middle. I know they had players out but they didn't look any better. Didn't look dangerous except when the had a corner.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 10:48:18 GMT
If you're playing Carroll lumping it up to him becomes the easy option.Don't we do the same when Crouch is on ?
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Post by chuckrocky on Dec 13, 2015 10:59:43 GMT
He likes dishing it out does Carroll, constantly backing into opponents and swinging his arms everywhere. When he gets a bit back though he goes down like a sack of shit and whingies like a little bitch to the referee. To think he's fetched £50m worth of transfer fees really is quite staggering.
You can't really blame West Ham for the way they played yesterday, if we had Bojan, Affellay, Shaqiri and Arnie all missing then we'd be lumping it up to Crouch or Walters.
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Post by block23 on Dec 13, 2015 11:10:10 GMT
Bit of a strange game. We probably had 4 chances that were on the verge of being gilt-edged. Almost inconceivable that we didn't score. But thought the performance level wasn't great overall, and none of the attacking players were really on it and there was a general air of sloppiness abounding. Couldn't really argue with a draw over the 90 minutes. Pretty much sums up the views of most Stokies as we stood in that bloody tube queue! Most hammers were of the view a draw was fair overall but went on and on about hitting the post, no mention of us hitting the bar! atmosphere seemed strangely muted, from both sets of fans, probably because apart from a few minutes from them at the end, it was watchable but a bit attritional. Still, good day out, rather overdid it on the beverage front, but that is what London away days are for!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 13, 2015 11:11:59 GMT
I agree no other option yesterday with most of there creative players out. I wouldn't be surprised if West Ham sold him to Sunderland in Jan for silly money. That deal would benefit both clubs.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 13, 2015 11:22:04 GMT
He likes dishing it out does Carroll, constantly backing into opponents and swinging his arms everywhere. When he gets a bit back though he goes down like a sack of shit and whingies like a little bitch to the referee. To think he's fetched £50m worth of transfer fees really is quite staggering. You can't really blame West Ham for the way they played yesterday, if we had Bojan, Affellay, Shaqiri and Arnie all missing then we'd be lumping it up to Crouch or Walters. One of the worst players in the league, he's had one good season in the Championship then spent the rest of his career out injured.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 13, 2015 11:23:25 GMT
I agree no other option yesterday with most of there creative players out. I wouldn't be surprised if West Ham sold him to Sunderland in Jan for silly money. That deal would benefit both clubs. Yes, I agree as soon as I saw their injury list I expected that they would play exactly as they did yesterday - they had no option but to play that way really.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 13, 2015 11:32:08 GMT
He likes dishing it out does Carroll, constantly backing into opponents and swinging his arms everywhere. When he gets a bit back though he goes down like a sack of shit and whingies like a little bitch to the referee. To think he's fetched £50m worth of transfer fees really is quite staggering. You can't really blame West Ham for the way they played yesterday, if we had Bojan, Affellay, Shaqiri and Arnie all missing then we'd be lumping it up to Crouch or Walters. An English Costa.
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Post by superheroantonius on Dec 13, 2015 11:45:34 GMT
With his immaculate shirts and suits and outstanding playing record mark Hughes really looks the part on match days. But after Bournemouth equalised at the Brittania he spent about ten minutes kicking over water bottles and looking positively p#ssed off until Diouf decided his head was going to beat the defenders boot to Glen's cross. He might not finish like Messi but he is brave and he saved our season and Mark Hughes knows that
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 13, 2015 11:54:55 GMT
Just watched his chances again. Christ we don't half overanalyze things these days. Chance one - he does nowt wrong and keeper makes a decent save. Chance two - he could have taken a touch and gone around the keeper BUT yet again his attempt is on target. Yes, it's scuffed, but they're often the ones keepers struggle with. Strikers miss chances. Even the best. Even the ones in form. Lukaku missed a total sitter yesterday despite being a top player in great form. Stick by Mame. Encourage him. Praise his determination and character. I'm confident he'll do very well for us in the future. PS I'm well aware I've just added to the over-analysis I began by bitching about!!! This, our players are not ROBOTS.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 13, 2015 11:55:55 GMT
I'd much rather make the keeper save it that shooting high or wide. When Diouf beat Hart last season, he put it between his legs didn't he?
(Edit: I still think he is a natural goal poacher, who gets into the right position to score, he just needs to find his form and he will go on a streak of goals.)
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Post by loosestools on Dec 13, 2015 11:59:50 GMT
Diouf is a huge credit to this football club , runs himself ragged when asked , never moans , was our top scorer last season . For whatever reason the management took him out of the firing line . Patience is the order of the day here. He is also known within the squad to be a confidence player more than most so senseless criticism just adds to the issue and slays his return to hitting the net . Absolutely bang on.... And I thought you were a biscuit basher.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 12:05:21 GMT
It's a shame with Carroll because he could actually be a dangerous player for England. Instead he doesn't seem to realise how strong he is and spends his time falling over instead of holding people off like a proper target man (even to his feet he should be holding people off no problem).
He may have had a bit of bad luck with injuries as well, but when you see pros like Bojan putting themselves through intense workouts and coming back stronger he's flying off to Dubai and getting smashed at all you can eat and drink buffets.
Quite how he's managed to keep Newcastle, Liverpool and West Ham paying him wages while not even trying to use his abilities properly shows there's a lot of natural talent there. At least Wilshere has only managed to con one club/set of supporters into thinking he's going to ever actually do something for them on a consistent basis.
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Post by Stokeontrent on Dec 13, 2015 12:12:52 GMT
The first he hasn't done to bad got a shot away under pressure. That second he HAS to score acres of space to the right of the keeper and a striker should score there
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Post by milky on Dec 13, 2015 12:17:23 GMT
And I thought you were a biscuit basher. A lot of his negative stuff does my head in to be fair.....but I agreed totally with that post..In fact I'm wondering if his account has been hacked
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Dec 13, 2015 12:20:45 GMT
Very poor finishing cost us 3 points today. How diouf ain't scored I don't know 2 points!
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Post by loosestools on Dec 13, 2015 12:21:25 GMT
And I thought you were a biscuit basher. A lot of his negative stuff does my head in to be fair.....but I agreed totally with that post..In fact I'm wondering if his account has been hacked Some of his posts on other threads are equally positive and sensible, I think he may have been abducted by aliens and reprogrammed.
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Post by milky on Dec 13, 2015 12:25:07 GMT
A lot of his negative stuff does my head in to be fair.....but I agreed totally with that post..In fact I'm wondering if his account has been hacked Some of his posts on other threads are equally positive and sensible, I think he may have been abducted by aliens and reprogrammed. I'm wondering if he has had a vistitation? The spirit of positivity has paid him a visit and taught him the error of his ways
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 13, 2015 13:14:10 GMT
Went down yesterday and think it could have gone either way , we certainly need a natural finisher but season is heading in the right direction , much more solid defensively and showing much better movement and creating chances than even a few weeks ago .
To be fair to Diouf he has missed a lot of football and the keeper was out at him very quickly but if we are to get much higher we do have to score more goals
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 13, 2015 13:17:59 GMT
We need better.
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Post by hammered on Dec 13, 2015 13:22:58 GMT
I agree no other option yesterday with most of there creative players out. I wouldn't be surprised if West Ham sold him to Sunderland in Jan for silly money. That deal would benefit both clubs. Agree with this totally. Bilic's football still has to rely on the personnel available and the best way to use them (like Hughes when he took over from Pulis) so no surprise when AC's playing we look to play to his strengths. Likewise when fit you have to play (or at least consider) your £80K pw striker even if unfortunately he's returned from injury having to play less dynamically to protect his body negating his primary benefit. So far as Bilic - he's brought a refreshing positivity and expectation - something under Sam he'd conditioned out of us. Sam would have played not to lose yesterday - Bilic played to win, with or without his best players.
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Post by theboothenend1 on Dec 13, 2015 14:09:17 GMT
Only just got back but main pointers from the game were as followers Their atmosphere is borderline non existent. Diouf missed 2 sitters Walters played well and changed the game when he game on, more fight. Arnie for the last 20 minutes was very frustrating to watch as he wasn't interested MVG is fucking terrible. Good away point
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 13, 2015 14:24:57 GMT
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 13, 2015 15:20:02 GMT
I agree no other option yesterday with most of there creative players out. I wouldn't be surprised if West Ham sold him to Sunderland in Jan for silly money. That deal would benefit both clubs. Agree with this totally. Bilic's football still has to rely on the personnel available and the best way to use them (like Hughes when he took over from Pulis) so no surprise when AC's playing we look to play to his strengths. Likewise when fit you have to play (or at least consider) your £80K pw striker even if unfortunately he's returned from injury having to play less dynamically to protect his body negating his primary benefit. So far as Bilic - he's brought a refreshing positivity and expectation - something under Sam he'd conditioned out of us. Sam would have played not to lose yesterday - Bilic played to win, with or without his best players. I enjoyed the day yesterday , sat just in front of martin peters which was very nice . West hams main problem was ball retention . Some promising moves broke down due to sloppy passing
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Post by spiderpuss on Dec 13, 2015 15:35:40 GMT
Only disappointing thing about yesterday, thought we took the game well to WHU. The balls to Diouf were superb and there just seems to be no trickery or cleverness in his shooting. It's blast and hope. You know if this was one of the form strikers then one would have been finished.
However getting someone better in is a costly and difficult process. Don't think we'll look at this issue this January anyway.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Dec 13, 2015 16:16:19 GMT
From the look of him yesterday there'll be no one more disappointed than Mama, he looks hungry and desperate to resurrect the goal habit. I rate Mama, he's had a disrupted season so far, he started the season like he'd ended the last, something like one goal in two games, on course for the mystical 20 goal striker. My admiration for him was cemented with that stoic Cup display against Chelsea. His movement and endeavour is superb, he pulls defences apart, with our more fluid football that should reap rewards. Not sure how things will pan out with the advent of the 4-3-3, but if Diouf does get a run he could well turn out to be like a new signing in the New Year, have the Odemwingie effect from a couple of years back. Anyone having doubts ought have a look at the youtube thing of his goals last season as a reminder. Mint. He can score the spectacular, the scrappy, and the lucky rebound etc. He's got the lot when he's in the groove. Scoring goals is the hardest thing in nogger, given game time in a system that suits then I reckon Diouf is very very good at it. Top bloke, brilliant attitude, brilliant player. He cost nowt, we could make millions on him eventually.
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