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Post by victoria on Nov 28, 2015 20:42:13 GMT
Diouf Odemwingie scores goals.
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 28, 2015 20:42:43 GMT
The two full backs again had very good games.
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Post by Linx on Nov 28, 2015 20:45:36 GMT
I went to SoL for the first time today. Quite an easy trip, straight up the A1, free Park & Ride that seemed to bypass the bad traffic I was warned about. Nice stadium but, like all these large grounds, you feel slightly detached from the action on the pitch. The P&R buses were packed with Mackems there and back. They seemed curiously relaxed and in good humour on both journeys. They seemed to be happy with what Sam is doing, and so they should be. I found that a Stoke scarf provides a good disguise in such situations, to the extent that the lad sitting next to me was gleefully sharing Newcastle's misfortunes with me in the belief that I was a fellow Mackem. I wasn't prepared to disabuse him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 20:46:05 GMT
Our fans, made us proud as always!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 20:47:44 GMT
When we play with no tempo we're as poor as anyone in this league but fortunately it doesn't happen that often. I'd say it happens more often than not
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Post by yorkmackem on Nov 28, 2015 20:49:59 GMT
All part of Fat Sam's basic plan. Sit back, draw fouls, get players sent off and then start playing. Desperate times call for desperate measures and all that. Exactly right. We cannot afford to overlook any tactic for trying to win a match given our predicament. Your team and manager were beaten. We don't control the referee and as with all teams we'll get our fair share of poor calls. Pop on our forums and read what was said about M'Villa's ludicrous sending off, or Cattermole's many, or even Fletcher's antics when a defender is tight on him. We certainly don't condone it,
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Post by potterglen on Nov 28, 2015 20:49:47 GMT
When are we going to introduce a 'shoot on sight' policy? Too much knocking the ball around the box, indecision and going nowhere
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 20:53:44 GMT
When we play with no tempo we're as poor as anyone in this league but fortunately it doesn't happen that often. I'd say it happens more often than not Funny that,because I haven't seen anybody saying this since we last lost a league game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 20:54:15 GMT
Didn't know that Sunderland fans, of all people, were so ingracious in victory. You'd think they'd be fairly humble after being consistently dogshit for the past five years, but sure, fine. Look at their home record and it will become very obvious. It's equivalent to giving a 3 year old ten tonne of sugar.
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Post by potterglen on Nov 28, 2015 20:54:03 GMT
Walters hasn't justified his place today. He hasn't for some time and we've got him for 2 1/2 years now.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 28, 2015 20:54:33 GMT
Lots of positives for me.
Walters aside, we looked a decent side for long spells but every time the ball went to him he lost it.
He scores from 2 yards out, we win. Simple as. It was a shocking miss and proved very costly in the end.
Frustrating to lose to such a poor side but its Stoke and its oh so predictable.
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Post by march4 on Nov 28, 2015 20:55:05 GMT
The two full backs again had very good games. Indeed they did. Not only did they defend well, they were our biggest threat down the flanks.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 28, 2015 20:56:36 GMT
Lots of positives for me. Walters aside, we looked a decent side for long spells but every time the ball went to him he lost it. He scores from 2 yards out, we win. Simple as. It was a shocking miss and proved very costly in the end. Frustrating to lose to such a poor side but its Stoke and its oh so predictable. This time I agree with you! It's probably getting late!
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 28, 2015 21:00:49 GMT
Lots of positives for me. Walters aside, we looked a decent side for long spells but every time the ball went to him he lost it. He scores from 2 yards out, we win. Simple as. It was a shocking miss and proved very costly in the end. Frustrating to lose to such a poor side but its Stoke and its oh so predictable. Not forgetting that it allows the Walters hating brigade to fill their boots. Always tricky for you lads if he has a decent game, which he invariably does. Oh well, fill your boots as they say.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Nov 28, 2015 21:01:53 GMT
We don't have to visit the shithole again this season
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Post by chamberlain on Nov 28, 2015 21:04:16 GMT
My lad went today , don't think he enjoyed it judging by his texts . Sorry to hear, given how the match panned out I'm not surprised though! A night in Newcastle tonight might raise his spirits a bit
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Post by winston on Nov 28, 2015 21:04:59 GMT
Bad management cost us today as I said at half time in my post we had to take Ryan off Anyone.who knows allardyce and dean and saw the attempt to get Ryan sent off pre half time knew what was coming and it was naive and amateurish not to head it off But Then so is a Belief that a net spend of £5 million will take us to the next level . Hard facts say we are 7 points better than Sunderland and that's it with a very difficult run of games to come now .
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 28, 2015 21:05:37 GMT
If you think this is sour grapes you clearly watched a different game. Ref 2 Stoke 0. No I was there and I simply haven't seen two such clear penalties not awarded as there were for us tonight. Watch the Sky Football First and you'll see them. The one where your player pulled back Fletcher was ludicrous. As I say I understand why you are disappointed and grasping at straws but you really are a tad embarrassing. Funny that the commentators didn't seem to think either were pens.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 28, 2015 21:08:13 GMT
Lots of positives for me. Walters aside, we looked a decent side for long spells but every time the ball went to him he lost it. He scores from 2 yards out, we win. Simple as. It was a shocking miss and proved very costly in the end. Frustrating to lose to such a poor side but its Stoke and its oh so predictable. Not forgetting that it allows the Walters hating brigade to fill their boots. Always tricky for you lads if he has a decent game, which he invariably does. Oh well, fill your boots as they say. He lives off a decent game longer than anyone. He was the worst player on the pitch today. Won 1 header all game, didn't close down, didn't run the channels, didn't cause the worst centre half in the league a single problem and missed yet another sitter from barely 3 yards out. Defend him all you like but he is what he is. If he's a regular in our starting 11, we will never be as good as we believe we can be. Surrounded by talented footballers he looks like a lost puppy.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 28, 2015 21:08:15 GMT
Your assessment has a bit of "rose tinted spectacles" about it. The fact is that both teams were very frustrating today for their respective fans. Stoke were much the "classier" side in the first half but were useless at turning their fancy passing into scoring opportunities. Meanwhile Sunderland's efforts to score were very weak and their repeated squandering of possession, poor through passes and shots was infuriating a lot of their fans judging by their reactions. The game changed when Shawcross got sent off, being stuck up in the gods at the opposite end of the pitch I am unable to judge the validity of the decision. Sunderland failed to impose their superior numbers until the goal. The only shining light on the Sunderland side was Watmore, who's running and shooting reminded me of a young Terry Conroy.
In many ways the game today was similar to Stoke's opening match against Liverpool, where 2 mediocre sides were separated by one excellent strike on goal. Today Sunderland had 2 excellent shots, but both sides had little else to draw satisfaction from. Stoke's performance was certainly a let down today after all the opportunities they created at Southampton, so Sunderland's defending must deserve some credit.
Today's refereeing was decidedly weak and both sides had reason to feel aggrieved. I was particularly upset by a hand ball in the penalty area that went to a corner when the Sunderland defender had his hand above his shoulder when the ball struck his arm and went out. Unfortunately, as usual, in the end the decisions that determined the result went the way of the home side.
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 28, 2015 21:09:58 GMT
No I was there and I simply haven't seen two such clear penalties not awarded as there were for us tonight. Watch the Sky Football First and you'll see them. The one where your player pulled back Fletcher was ludicrous. As I say I understand why you are disappointed and grasping at straws but you really are a tad embarrassing. Funny that the commentators didn't seem to think either were pens. The first one looked like a pen in real time, however replays showed it was not a pen. The second incident looked like a dive in real time and looked an even bigger dive on the replays. The commentators were actually laughing at how easy a big man like Fletcher went down. Embarrassing and desperate antics by a team full of cheats.
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Post by yorkmackem on Nov 28, 2015 21:11:38 GMT
No I was there and I simply haven't seen two such clear penalties not awarded as there were for us tonight. Watch the Sky Football First and you'll see them. The one where your player pulled back Fletcher was ludicrous. As I say I understand why you are disappointed and grasping at straws but you really are a tad embarrassing. Funny that the commentators didn't seem to think either were pens. Phil Neil covered the match on Soccer Saturday and he thought it was nailed on. I haven't watched it yet, so I'll reserve judgement, but just like our own mentalist Clattermole, Shawcross has previous and the ref was viewing the challenge from behind, was he not?
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Post by metalhead on Nov 28, 2015 21:11:21 GMT
Sorry to hear, given how the match panned out I'm not surprised though! A night in Newcastle tonight might raise his spirits a bit It's a cracking night. Had plenty up there. Digital, legends, and many many pubs and bars. If he wants cheap, tell him go the gates.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 28, 2015 21:13:47 GMT
Funny that the commentators didn't seem to think either were pens. Phil Neil covered the match on Soccer Saturday and he thought it was nailed on. I haven't watched it yet, so I'll reserve judgement, but just like our own mentalist Clattermole, Shawcross has previous and the ref was viewing the challenge from behind, was he not? The coverage I watched was someone else. Guess we'll leave it to MOTD.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 21:14:25 GMT
I'd say it happens more often than not Funny that,because I haven't seen anybody saying this since we last lost a league game. Even the games we've been winning we haven't created all that much and a lot of that has been down to our slow approach play
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Post by potterglen on Nov 28, 2015 21:17:01 GMT
Hope those who came down enjoyed it and were made to feel welcome by us. As for the game itself, the first half was a bit of a non event really, whilst I read on here that you dominated play in the first half and looked far more dangerous, I can only recall once where you had a proper save that was well saved by Pants. As for us in the first half, we were struggling to get beyond your defence and actually look a threat whilst Defoe was on (probably still injured) but when Watmore came on, he certainly injected something we were missing beforehand - pace and energy. Big Sam may get criticism for going 3-5-2 at home, but it certainly seemed to work. Coates, Kaboul & O'Shea were focusing on clearing their lines whilst Yedlin & PVA (my man of the match bar Watmore) looked to finally play as wing backs as opposed to ordinary full-backs. I was expecting to see better of Shaqiri & Bojan, they have been built up on here a lot - maybe they couldn't make an impact I was expecting (especially Bojan) - one of those days for you I suppose. That said, I liked the look of Butland, Johnson & Arnautovic. The sending off is harsh, no two ways about it; but shit happens to all clubs at this level (just ask Mourinho) and your side were on the receiving end of it today (bad decisions against us too - I thought we deserved a penalty, but it didn't matter in hindsight). Although it was harsh, the fact Shawcross didn't complain makes you think he understood the decision. Nothing really materialised from that point on up until the goals really, wouldn't have expected PVA to be the player to break Butland's run but there you go! Watmore's goal was very well finished, one on one at a tight angle and finished it superbly. Hopefully gives the lad a confidence boost. Overall, I was happy with it - kept it solid at the back and got the win with a clean sheet, that's what it's all about with Sam; sort the defence out and worry about midfield to attack later on. Back to back wins is crucial for a relegation candidate such as ourselves so thank you for providing it (as you often do up here) The win today is made even sweeter with the entertainers being beaten 5-1 too See you lot down Stoke for the return fixture hopefully! And you'll get pitch side seats next to the tunnel while we get the shit seats in the clouds, and please don't pretend Fletcher wasn't diving all over the shop, he spent as much time on the floor as he did on his feet.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 21:25:34 GMT
We need a bloody decent striker, and if we don't sign one in January, well!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 21:27:50 GMT
Sam Allardyce is another donkey of a manager. Cannot stand the fat faced so and so!
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 28, 2015 21:30:03 GMT
We need a bloody decent striker, and if we don't sign one in January, well! I was disappointed with JW today, but unfortunately I was even more disappointed with Diouf, who didn't seem to have any zip at all.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 28, 2015 21:32:24 GMT
We need a bloody decent striker, and if we don't sign one in January, well! But will be scratching round for Bosmans, Ukrainians or indeed both as usual. A like for like replacement for Crouchy would cost £20m. I don't see any appetite from 'the family' to do anything close to that?
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