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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 12:32:13 GMT
If being the most consistently excellent centre-half in the Premier League for the best part of seven years hasn't earned him the right to a run in the England team, I'm not sure what he can do differently to put himself into contention. Roy doesn't like him, and there's no sign of the selection committee (the media) championing Ryan's cause any time soon. I really hope I'm wrong because he deserves international recognition, but I can't see it happening.
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Post by TheBra1n on Nov 3, 2015 12:38:48 GMT
i cant see Ryan ever playing for England, not at least whilst Woy is in charge, or any other come to that, there has been a media witch hunt, trial and execution all fueled by arsene wenger and the southern pansies fan club, they have convinced every fan and pundit that Ryan is a thug/neanderthal whos only purpose on a football pitch is to inflict injuries to other players, of course they would never EVER mention the fact that after 325+ games the guy has only had 4 red cards (2 second yellow) no no but they will tell you all about ramsey and jeffers all day long.
for me and as much as i would love to see him get the recognition he has earned through honest play and supreme fitness by becoming an England regular i have to say he would be better off and we would be better off if he went off to the euros with Wales, Ryan gains experience of a different type of football in a different environment and we all gain from it
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Post by capepotter on Nov 3, 2015 12:39:21 GMT
I rarely post on this message board, except when it is hatred of Arsenal, however any Stoke City supporter that does not see what Ryan Shawcross offers England has never played the game. Leaders are rare, capable leaders are rocking horse shite. Ryan Shawcross is the best we have had at stoke, and yes I saw Dennis, not Franklin, but this is a different era Ryan is as good as if not better than Terry, and again football may be a matter of opinion, but Shawcross is special, appreciate him.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Nov 3, 2015 12:58:24 GMT
It's an absolute travesty that he hasn't got more England caps.
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Post by Bagwash on Nov 3, 2015 13:07:25 GMT
I rarely post on this message board, except when it is hatred of Arsenal, however any Stoke City supporter that does not see what Ryan Shawcross offers England has never played the game. Leaders are rare, capable leaders are rocking horse shite. Ryan Shawcross is the best we have had at stoke, and yes I saw Dennis, not Franklin, but this is a different era Ryan is as good as if not better than Terry, and again football may be a matter of opinion, but Shawcross is special, appreciate him. Excellent post matey,agree entirely with everything except the Denis Smith comparison.Wouldn't say he has been better than Smithy but he is certainly up there. Definitely good enough for the national team and the most important member of our present squad. Legend.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 13:22:05 GMT
I rarely post on this message board, except when it is hatred of Arsenal, however any Stoke City supporter that does not see what Ryan Shawcross offers England has never played the game. Leaders are rare, capable leaders are rocking horse shite. Ryan Shawcross is the best we have had at stoke, and yes I saw Dennis, not Franklin, but this is a different era Ryan is as good as if not better than Terry, and again football may be a matter of opinion, but Shawcross is special, appreciate him. Excellent post matey,agree entirely with everything except the Denis Smith comparison.Wouldn't say he has been better than Smithy but he is certainly up there. Definitely good enough for the national team and the most important member of our present squad. Legend. possibly the most overused word in club football. Ryan is 100% one player who definitely deserves it!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 14:06:30 GMT
Just so glad, happy, relieved, ecstatic, overjoyed.... <insert any happy related word here> that he is back so soon after a potentially terrible injury.
It really shouldn't be overlooked just how well all concerned have done for him to get back so soon and so well after that kind of surgery.
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Nov 3, 2015 15:03:57 GMT
Was uplifting to see him back and marshalling his troops on Tuesday night. We suddenly appeared to have a functioning back 4 too; just hope he isn't rushing things too much.
He needs to play for Wales, I couldn't care less about little uncle Woy and his cronies. Get yourself into a decent team Ryan son!
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Nov 3, 2015 15:51:49 GMT
Well done Ryan absolutely brilliant performance Captain fantastic is back
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Post by kustokie on Nov 3, 2015 15:59:16 GMT
I rarely post on this message board, except when it is hatred of Arsenal, however any Stoke City supporter that does not see what Ryan Shawcross offers England has never played the game. Leaders are rare, capable leaders are rocking horse shite. Ryan Shawcross is the best we have had at stoke, and yes I saw Dennis, not Franklin, but this is a different era Ryan is as good as if not better than Terry, and again football may be a matter of opinion, but Shawcross is special, appreciate him. Excellent post matey,agree entirely with everything except the Denis Smith comparison.Wouldn't say he has been better than Smithy but he is certainly up there. Definitely good enough for the national team and the most important member of our present squad. Legend. Fortunate to have seen them both. Both are/were great. EDIT. Neither have received the International recognition they deserve. I don't believe muchin conspiracy theories (except for FIFA); however, both played for an "unfashionable team". Smithy should have played for England but to be fair he did have some real competition. Right now, Shawcross has none. Unfortunately, he is coming back from a serious injury so there's little chance that he is going to get picked now. In the future he should be pciked. Let's face it, if Cameron can get in the US Team, Shawcross can surely get in the England team I didn't check but I doubt there's a huge difference in world ranking, but i could be wrong (wouldn't be the first time!).
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 3, 2015 17:05:57 GMT
I've always said England won't do well without him in the squad... His defensive attributes are quality. Just goes to show what politics and favouritism do to a national side.
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Post by muglump on Nov 3, 2015 17:12:45 GMT
Until he's England captain England can kiss my ass. If he was I'm sure they would be twice the team, as we are
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Post by silverdollar on Nov 5, 2015 16:21:19 GMT
I have to say that this point has been well debated and I have fallen on the side of not good enough but having seen his recent two performances after his operation and the affect it has had on our defence I have changed my mind especially when I look at who Hodgson has chosen:- Shawcross, Smalling, Stones, Jones and the Chelsea lad?????? I honestly think Ryan has an equal or greater stature as a player than any of them. Unfortunately Hodgson will remain all his life as a hate figure with Stoke fans. Disgraceful!
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 5, 2015 16:31:43 GMT
I'm not a big fan of Roy but if you're the kind of person who lets him not picking Ryan ruin your life you probably need to get a dog or something.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 16:35:32 GMT
I'm not a big fan of Roy but if you're the kind of person who lets him not picking Ryan ruin your life you probably need to get a dog or something. I tried that. I got a dog, and called it Shawcross. Now the dog hates Roy too.
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Post by blurtonboy on Nov 5, 2015 16:42:02 GMT
Stoke 9/2 with skybet to be top midlands team, welcome back Ryan & fuck woy.
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Nov 5, 2015 17:59:39 GMT
To be honest, I stopped caring about England a good few years ago, mainly due to the snubbing of Stoke players and constant selecting of utterly dreadful players. I know Butland is in the squad but I'm now at a point where I don't even care if - or want Stoke players playing for England. I'd rather our boys stay fit & injury free to look after more important issues in the Premier League. For me, it's club before country.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 18:19:01 GMT
To be honest, I stopped caring about England a good few years ago, mainly due to the snubbing of Stoke players and constant selecting of utterly dreadful players. I know Butland is in the squad but I'm now at a point where I don't even care if - or want Stoke players playing for England. I'd rather our boys stay fit & injury free to look after more important issues in the Premier League. For me, it's club before country. Agreed. I'm happy for Butland, but that's about it.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 5, 2015 18:37:10 GMT
It's an absolute travesty that he hasn't got more England caps. You can thank Tony Pulis for that.
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Post by Bagwash on Nov 6, 2015 15:00:35 GMT
Have just read tomorrows Oatcake and there is a full page write up about our captain. Fantastic article and says everything and more about Ryan. Hats off to editorial team.
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Nov 6, 2015 17:24:21 GMT
Hes a fucking defender and that seems to be a rare commodity in football these days.
An old fashioned 'stopper' should be one of the first things any manager, at any level looks for.
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Nov 7, 2015 13:43:11 GMT
He's been with now since 2007 after signing for what has proved to be 'peanuts' at just £1million. I suppose that being an inexperienced kid at the time with just a few games under his belt including a loan spell at Royal Antwerp, it was important that he had a 'father figure' on the pitch to teach him his trade properly. He certainly got that when Abdoulaye Faye arrived and nurtured those necessary skills which we have benefitted from ever since. His record at Stoke now reads... League Played 277 - Goals 19 FA Cup Played 22 - Goals 2 League Cup Played 16 - Goals 1 Europa League Played 8 - Goals 0 And the single senior England cap.
It seems only yesterday that he arrived on loan from Manchester United - before signing permanently, ready to help us win promotion to the Premier League. He has to be up there with the likes of Denis Smith in anybody's list of top Stoke City defenders. Certainly, in my time supporting the club, since 1991/92, he is THE BEST that I've seen, and that includes the likes of Cranny, Vinny, Sergei, Faye and Huth. I think he'll eventually turn out to be one of those names we reel out in decades to come and be able to say "I saw him play and he was a colossus of a defender, one of the very best". And with meeting him a few times I can also say what a cracking, humble lad he is too. Chelsea hail Terry as their hero, and on the pitch he has been, maybe. But I reckon Shawcross is just as good, if not a better defender. Though as a decent human being, Shawcross is miles ahead of him. I can see Shawcross finishing his top level career at The Brit, I just see him as that kind of fella, he loves Stoke City, he embodies the City and has never once made any desire to leave us. Long may that continue.
Ryan Shawcross... captain, Leader, Legend. UTMP... GOOOAAARN STOKE !!!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 7, 2015 14:02:05 GMT
Captain, leader, legend are exactly the words I use to describe him.
Simply irreplaceable.
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Post by nonameface on Nov 7, 2015 14:05:57 GMT
Emotional.
Fingers crossed we can give him the success he deserves.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 7, 2015 14:06:13 GMT
As daft as it sounds I think that Shawcross isn't given the recognition he deserves by us lot. The word 'legend' is used far too much nowadays, but Ryan Shawcross is a bona fide Stoke City legend! I'd be amazed if anyone could find a single Stoke fan who wouldn't have him in their all-time eleven.
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Post by Kjones9 on Nov 7, 2015 14:09:07 GMT
And all we can come up with is 'der der der der Ryan shawcross' as a song.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 7, 2015 14:11:15 GMT
And all we can come up with is 'der der der der Ryan shawcross' as a song. Go on then Mozart
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Post by Kjones9 on Nov 7, 2015 14:12:10 GMT
And all we can come up with is 'der der der der Ryan shawcross' as a song. Go on then Mozart That was my song.
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Nov 7, 2015 14:26:25 GMT
As daft as it sounds I think that Shawcross isn't given the recognition he deserves by us lot. The word 'legend' is used far too much nowadays, but Ryan Shawcross is a bona fide Stoke City legend! I'd be amazed if anyone could find a single Stoke fan who wouldn't have him in their all-time eleven. Nobody could deny him his 'LEGEND' status really. Nor could he possibly be left out of the list of Stoke City's greatest defenders. I recall seeing him leave the pitch in tears, emotionally destroyed, in THAT GAME vs Arsenal at The Brit. I felt so bad for the lad, and then we heard his mum had to pick him up from the ground and take him home, such was his mental state. If that wasn't bad enough, he and ourselves then had to endure the barrage of poison coming from Arsenal for the coming years. We took him under our wings and defended him wholeheartedly against anybody who tried to drag his name through the mud. In a sense, Ryan was NEVER alone in that period. Stoke don't desert their own, we look after each other. And when Arsenal came after him with their slurs and accusations, trying to hurt our young defender, we as a club hit back at them. The thing is, we love RyanRyan because he's one of us. And if you fuck with ONE of us, you fuck with ALL of us !! I think he knows, and appreciates that. VIS UNITA FORTIOR
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Nov 7, 2015 14:36:40 GMT
We could definitely expand the repertoire of songs couldn't we. Surely we could incorporate his name into a few existing chants. There's only one Ryan Shawcross.
We love you Ryan, we do... Ryan Shawcross we love you.
Surely there's a lyrical genius out there who can knock up a catchy number.
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