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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Dec 12, 2015 17:04:15 GMT
It was hardly "dire".
I think he's still very young and he (and Hughes) haven't found a roll for him in our midfield yet.
There's a good footballer in there somewhere, whether or not we see it this year is another thing.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 12, 2015 17:13:07 GMT
Scenario 1: He's useless and costs us points. Not the case.
Scenario 2: He plays brilliantly, helps us to success this season. So Chelsea decide to keep him. Short term gain, but no long term benefit and we have to start again to find a future long term replacement for N'Zonzi and our aging mid-fielders.
Scenario 3: He is average, shows promise, plays a part in the squad and helps us to progress in Cups. Chelsea decide he is not good enough and to sell him to us, and MH and coaches turn him into an excellent long term player. Let's hope!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 17:14:24 GMT
That's his time in a Stoke shirt over with I hope Another dire performance. Back to Chelsea! Give it a rest you negative fucker.
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Post by cozmick on Dec 12, 2015 17:16:55 GMT
That's his time in a Stoke shirt over with I hope Another dire performance. Back to Chelsea! Give it a rest you negative fucker. So you're still agreeing that he's wank?
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 12, 2015 17:17:17 GMT
He's not physical enough for me still. Had a chance for a goal and he shirked out of it afraid, Afellay crossed in a curling beautiful cross and it was MVG vs Adrian and they both pulled out like nancies and the second was just completely mishit. I think there is a footballer in there but I don't know how we are going to get it into him about toughness even at stoke... Chelsea tried, I assume we will keep hold of him until the summer but boy is he blowing a perfect chance to get in under Whelan, Geoff, and Adam to become a good midfielder for us in the future. He wasn't dire, his inability to be tough when needed is.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2015 17:17:18 GMT
It's got to be a consideration surely though?
He's not doing anything of note. He's not our player. And if we can get a better one or God forbid use the U-21's then we might as well. We've got enough points, we're not going to finish higher than 8th. Good time to cut our losses and use our own or sign a younger player and then use him.
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Post by clarkeda on Dec 12, 2015 17:19:10 GMT
Didn't work out for him today. Hopefully he'll come back again with another good performance. I admire your faith, he's been shit, again.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 12, 2015 17:21:21 GMT
What a chance he missed, incredible!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 17:22:29 GMT
Didn't work out for him today. Hopefully he'll come back again with another good performance. I admire your faith, he's been shit, again. I lost faith in Afellay and Johnson upon arrival and they made me look fucking stupid. I've learned not to judge so quickly anymore. He'll be back.
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Post by nott1 on Dec 12, 2015 17:25:34 GMT
He's just not good enough, get that Zarate guy asap!
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Post by nott1 on Dec 12, 2015 17:27:18 GMT
Didn't work out for him today. Hopefully he'll come back again with another good performance. Another? He's hardly had a good one yet!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 17:28:11 GMT
I can't see where his best position is given how little quality he's shown in all areas of his game. I'd send him back mesen
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 17:30:01 GMT
Didn't work out for him today. Hopefully he'll come back again with another good performance. Another? He's hardly had a good one yet! He's still sitting on a man of the man award from the opening day. How's Wollscheid done today?
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Post by nott1 on Dec 12, 2015 17:33:18 GMT
Another? He's hardly had a good one yet! He's still sitting on a man of the man award from the opening day. How's Wollscheid done today? Shaky but not quite as bad today!
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Post by wuzza on Dec 12, 2015 17:37:35 GMT
Seems to lack the confidence or physicality to really make an impression on a game at the moment. A goal or a really good performance would probably make a huge difference.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 17:39:37 GMT
Seems to lack the confidence or physicality to really make an impression on a game at the moment. A goal or a really good performance would probably make a huge difference. I agree on this. He feels like a lighter N'Zonzi in terms of build.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 12, 2015 17:40:31 GMT
Didn't work out for him today. Hopefully he'll come back again with another good performance. Another? He's hardly had a good one yet! Risky signing from the start, loan carrot from Chelski to sweeten the Bego deal, we need better than this as a replacement for Zonz at least one that actually belongs to us.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 12, 2015 17:41:05 GMT
I didn't think he was that bad but shouldn't be first choice.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 12, 2015 17:41:31 GMT
MVG is not a bad player, but still I'm not sure he is the player we are looking for?
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 12, 2015 17:41:42 GMT
That's his time in a Stoke shirt over with I hope Another dire performance. Back to Chelsea! To be fair to this tool, it's not only when we lose he comes out with this shite. It's now when we only get a point at a top 7 side. Still anonymous when we win though.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 12, 2015 17:42:35 GMT
Seems to lack the confidence or physicality to really make an impression on a game at the moment. A goal or a really good performance would probably make a huge difference. I agree on this. He feels like a lighter N'Zonzi in terms of build. What about ability wise ? do you think he shapes up to fill Zonz's boots apart from terms of build.
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Post by milky on Dec 12, 2015 17:44:12 GMT
That's his time in a Stoke shirt over with I hope Another dire performance. Back to Chelsea! To be fair to this tool, it's not only when we lose he comes out with this shite. It's now when we only get a point at a top 7 side. Still anonymous when we win though. Soon it will be when we only win 1-0 and there aren't enough back heels or Cruyff turns.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Dec 12, 2015 17:46:15 GMT
I still see the potential, he's just rushing everything right now for whatever reason.
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Post by Boothen on Dec 12, 2015 17:46:48 GMT
Wasn't there some rumour a few weeks back about Chelsea signing some young Argentine striker and then loaning him straight out to us? What are the rules surrounding replacing one loan player for another when it's between the same two clubs?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 17:49:16 GMT
That's his time in a Stoke shirt over with I hope Another dire performance. Back to Chelsea! And it starts..... I'm expecting more player slagging tonight from the usual suspects because we have failed to win today.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 12, 2015 17:50:34 GMT
He got a chance really out of the blue to impress and he completely blew it.
His technique was just awful for his shot at an open goal. He looked like a donkey defender the way he swung his left peg at it.
Cost us 2 points today theres no other way of looking at it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 17:59:49 GMT
I agree on this. He feels like a lighter N'Zonzi in terms of build. What about ability wise ? do you think he shapes up to fill Zonz's boots apart from terms of build. I don't think anyone in our midfield shapes up to N'Zonzi I think there's potential but the lightweightedness concerns me a tad. He's a good player though, just had a shitter today.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Dec 12, 2015 18:00:48 GMT
He got a chance really out of the blue to impress and he completely blew it. His technique was just awful for his shot at an open goal. He looked like a donkey defender the way he swung his left peg at it. Cost us 2 points today theres no other way of looking at it. Even if he was able to strike the ball cleaner there was a lot of traffic down there. He may not have scored either way. Can't say he cost us two points.
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Post by MuddyWoody on Dec 12, 2015 23:11:49 GMT
I'm not saying he's a bad player by any means, but I'm glad it's not just me who isn't convinced by him.
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Post by werrington on Dec 12, 2015 23:14:07 GMT
It's a hits thread
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