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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 21, 2015 13:48:28 GMT
No mate that was it. It was the talking heads bit where they ask them a series of questions. One said Swansea, three said Norwich and he said the above. His other tips were; Best Bet for weekend - Walsall Most vulnerable Fav - Millwall View on tonights big game - Man City by a goal El Clasico - Real Madrid Bet for midweek - Draw Zenit V Valencia Ok,no worries,thought it might have been that half time team talk that they do,but on second thoughts it's a bit early for that. Yeah he's been asked for an opinion on a market he most likely hadn't considered recently and you cant argue with him picking Stoke as potential value, I suppose. His reasoning though seems shockingly flawed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 13:49:45 GMT
He might be right in the sense that we have more than a 1 in 17 chance of going down. The problem with 'value' betting though is there is a reason why the bookies will offer you a good price, it probably ain't going to happen!
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Post by kustokie on Nov 21, 2015 13:54:01 GMT
16/1 is about 6% chance of going down or 94% chance of stayig up - sounds about right.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 21, 2015 13:58:11 GMT
Ok,no worries,thought it might have been that half time team talk that they do,but on second thoughts it's a bit early for that. Yeah he's been asked for an opinion on a market he most likely hadn't considered recently and you cant argue with him picking Stoke as potential value, I suppose. His reasoning though seems shockingly flawed. To an outsider looking in,looking at how few shots we've had and how many saves our keeper has made,I agree it's not the worst shout.
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Post by march4 on Nov 21, 2015 14:11:05 GMT
He is not actually saying he thinks we will go down. He is looking for bets with "value" in them as the Racing Post does. 16/1 suggests we have a 6.25% chance of going down. If your hunch or your formula tells you Stoke have say an 8% chance of going down then there is "value" in that bet. That's how I read it anyway. There is no value in any bet, mate. That is why Peter Coates is a billionaire.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 21, 2015 14:13:28 GMT
He is not actually saying he thinks we will go down. He is looking for bets with "value" in them as the Racing Post does. 16/1 suggests we have a 6.25% chance of going down. If your hunch or your formula tells you Stoke have say an 8% chance of going down then there is "value" in that bet. That's how I read it anyway. There is no value in any bet, mate. That is why Peter Coates is a billionaire. With respect,that's utter bollocks!
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Post by march4 on Nov 21, 2015 14:15:21 GMT
There is no value in any bet, mate. That is why Peter Coates is a billionaire. With respect,that's utter bollocks! Anyone who bets a penny is a complete and utter idiot. Don't try and defend the indefensible. Betting is stupid - end of story.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 21, 2015 14:15:34 GMT
With respect,that's utter bollocks! Anyone who bets a penny is a complete and utter idiot. Don't try and defend the indefensible. Betting is stupid - end of story. I make a living out of it,so thanks for that!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 14:16:00 GMT
With respect,that's utter bollocks! Anyone who bets a penny is a complete and utter idiot. Don't try and defend the indefensible. Betting is stupid - end of story. Cash is irrelevant.
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Post by march4 on Nov 21, 2015 14:17:26 GMT
Anyone who bets a penny is a complete and utter idiot. Don't try and defend the indefensible. Betting is stupid - end of story. I make a living out of it,so thanks for that! Good luck to you, mate. It's not your fault if people want to throw their money down the toilet.
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Post by loyalstripey on Nov 21, 2015 17:05:01 GMT
There's one in the eye for you Mikey boy...... Tosser!
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Nov 21, 2015 17:09:41 GMT
Re the tipster; amazing how some people are clueless about every team outside the so called top 4 or 5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 17:11:54 GMT
There's one in the eye for you Mikey boy...... Tosser! You can get even better odds now
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Post by Gods on Nov 21, 2015 17:17:33 GMT
He is not actually saying he thinks we will go down. He is looking for bets with "value" in them as the Racing Post does. 16/1 suggests we have a 6.25% chance of going down. If your hunch or your formula tells you Stoke have say an 8% chance of going down then there is "value" in that bet. That's how I read it anyway. Yeah but he then try's to justify where that value actually stems from and that bit appears to be rubbish. Yes that is definitely true.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 21, 2015 18:02:17 GMT
With respect,that's utter bollocks! Anyone who bets a penny is a complete and utter idiot. Don't try and defend the indefensible. Betting is stupid - end of story. I think you're being quite harsh. As long as someone bets what they can afford to lose and enjoys the experience, then that person isn't an idiot. A fiver acca on a Saturday for example and 90 mins fun watching the scores. Over a season that's around £200, but the fiver a week is unlikely to be missed, but that person would enjoy a £100 return that'll eventually come. And that's how it should be. Obviously, when the fun stops, stop...as the bookies say. And that goes for many other leisure activities.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Nov 21, 2015 18:05:58 GMT
It's not actually the worst value is the point any of the bottom half can go on a bad run four defeats for us which would not be unthinkable in out next 4 would make it much trickier and him close to the mark and we wouldn't be 16-1 then. Before the abuse starts in not saying it's going to happen just the point on Value isn't that far wide of the mark . As usual you are wrong. The value bet was Stoke for a European place but I assume odds are now worse. Relegation with our strongest ever squad is a bet that is giving money away, no value in that
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Nov 21, 2015 19:02:27 GMT
Stoke were great value at 5/1 today, especially with our superb away form. I was all over it like a tramp on chips !!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 19:08:09 GMT
What a Penis.
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Post by Squeekster on Nov 21, 2015 19:17:54 GMT
Anyone who bets a penny is a complete and utter idiot. Don't try and defend the indefensible. Betting is stupid - end of story. I think you're being quite harsh. As long as someone bets what they can afford to lose and enjoys the experience, then that person isn't an idiot. A fiver acca on a Saturday for example and 90 mins fun watching the scores. Over a season that's around £200, but the fiver a week is unlikely to be missed, but that person would enjoy a £100 return that'll eventually come. And that's how it should be. Obviously, when the fun stops, stop...as the bookies say. And that goes for many other leisure activities. To be fair to march Coates and his family made most of their vast fortune from bet365.com if it wasn't such a lucrative venture they wouldn't. I know plenty who bet and yes they have the odd big one in and that is what gives them belief but in all fairness over all there is only one winner and it isn't Jo Bloggs off the street.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Nov 21, 2015 19:23:28 GMT
With respect,that's utter bollocks! Anyone who bets a penny is a complete and utter idiot. Don't try and defend the indefensible. Betting is stupid - end of story. Poor post ill judged comments.
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Nov 21, 2015 19:34:21 GMT
A little snippet from todays paper! Where is the value in the Premier League Relegation Battle? I'm intrigued by Stoke at 16/1. A 40% shot ratio is nothing to shout about and Mark Hughes' managerial approach is not exactly what you'd call hands-on. If they get themselves into a rot during the winter months, I'm not convinced they'd have the resolve to drag themselves out of trouble. It's this fella. Quite a respected journo! twitter.com/ratings_mikeRead it this morning son and had a right rant at the other half... as usual she looked at me like i was talking swahili! :-)
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 21, 2015 20:29:00 GMT
I think you're being quite harsh. As long as someone bets what they can afford to lose and enjoys the experience, then that person isn't an idiot. A fiver acca on a Saturday for example and 90 mins fun watching the scores. Over a season that's around £200, but the fiver a week is unlikely to be missed, but that person would enjoy a £100 return that'll eventually come. And that's how it should be. Obviously, when the fun stops, stop...as the bookies say. And that goes for many other leisure activities. To be fair to march Coates and his family made most of their vast fortune from bet365.com if it wasn't such a lucrative venture they wouldn't. I know plenty who bet and yes they have the odd big one in and that is what gives them belief but in all fairness over all there is only one winner and it isn't Jo Bloggs off the street. Of course. I'm probably just about losing to bet365 myself, but when I won £300 last season I was chuffed to bits because I don't spend much at all. It's like buying a lottery ticket every Wednesday and Saturday, and perhaps the euros on a Friday. £6 a week, but it's over £3000 in ten years. But let's say at the end of the tenth year you won £2500 one Saturday but never won anything else. You're losing, but you've had a good holiday, or paid for Christmas, or whatever else. The lottery are winning, but you're happy.
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Post by thevoid on Nov 21, 2015 20:41:11 GMT
Stoke were great value at 5/1 today, especially with our superb away form. I was all over it like a tramp on chips !! We were 6/1 with bet365 at one point- I'd expect us to be as long as that away at Arsenal or Man City, not Southampton (unless we were playing a weakened side). Wish I'd taken it on now but the pessimist inside me never backs Stoke. As for the Racing Post, they know as much about football as I do about Tony McCoy.
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Post by sage on Nov 23, 2015 14:37:58 GMT
Is that paragraph you've put on here all he wrote.If not,any chance of putting the full article up? No mate that was it. It was the talking heads bit where they ask them a series of questions. One said Swansea, three said Norwich and he said the above. His other tips were; Best Bet for weekend - Walsall Most vulnerable Fav - Millwall View on tonights big game - Man City by a goal El Clasico - Real Madrid Bet for midweek - Draw Zenit V Valencia Well based on his other tips for this weekend I don't think we have anything to worry about on the relegation front Walsall drew Milwall won 4-1 Man City lost 4-1 Real lost 4-0 And he gets paid for this shite!!
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Nov 23, 2015 15:02:38 GMT
No mate that was it. It was the talking heads bit where they ask them a series of questions. One said Swansea, three said Norwich and he said the above. His other tips were; Best Bet for weekend - Walsall Most vulnerable Fav - Millwall View on tonights big game - Man City by a goal El Clasico - Real Madrid Bet for midweek - Draw Zenit V Valencia Well based on his other tips for this weekend I don't think we have anything to worry about on the relegation front Walsall drew Milwall won 4-1 Man City lost 4-1 Real lost 4-0 And he gets paid for this shite!! Bet a bit on what you fancy, don't go banging fivers on what Dickhead tipsters like him tell you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 15:46:21 GMT
I make a living out of it,so thanks for that! Good luck to you, mate. It's not your fault if people want to throw their money down the toilet. So how did the owners of both Brighton & Brentford make their cash out of interest?
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Post by foster on Nov 23, 2015 15:48:32 GMT
Anyone who bets a penny is a complete and utter idiot. Don't try and defend the indefensible. Betting is stupid - end of story. I make a living out of it,so thanks for that! PM me some tips mate.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Nov 23, 2015 15:49:37 GMT
It's not actually the worst value is the point any of the bottom half can go on a bad run four defeats for us which would not be unthinkable in out next 4 would make it much trickier and him close to the mark and we wouldn't be 16-1 then. Before the abuse starts in not saying it's going to happen just the point on Value isn't that far wide of the mark . Eh?
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Post by foster on Nov 23, 2015 15:51:26 GMT
16/1 is about 6% chance of going down or 94% chance of stayig up - sounds about right. The odds are probably right, but the point would be to get better odds than the reality. I.E getting 16/1 on us to go down where in reality we've got a greater than 6% chance of getting relegated. Looking at the table and the teams at the bottom, I think 16/1 is poor.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 23, 2015 16:07:16 GMT
I think we will be alright, provided the roof doesn't blow off a stand. I subscribe to the view that betting is a mug's game. I don't mean a small occasional flutter. There are millions of "gamblers" in this country; unfortunately there is well over 0.25 million of them who have a "problem", where they have become addicted to some degree. Those 365 adverts are very alluring. I'm a pensioner now and I've only ever met 1 person who made a packet gambling. His biggest problem in life was trying to find a bookmaker who would take his bets. If you chose to gamble good luck to you, but remember the betting companies fix the odds and they are in business to make money and invariably succeed. Just as a spider set its web, they set their traps with free bets and "attractive" odds.
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