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Post by kustokie on Nov 25, 2015 19:23:27 GMT
Changing the subject, interesting debate in the US right now about whether Fantasy Leagues are games of chance (i.e. gambling which is illegal) or games of skill (which are legal). The State of New York has brought actions against the major Fantasy League operators (like Yahoo) that they are engaged in illegal gambling. An interesting statistic on this story I heard on the radio this morning: something like 99% of the winnings are collected by full-time players that represent less than 2% of the total number of players. That means an awful lot of people are losing an awful lot of money.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 19:25:59 GMT
Putting it very simply, can we just say that a value bet is when the odds are higher than the probability. The higher the odds in such a case, being the higher value bet. See, here's my fuzzy logic kicking in again..... Isn't a VALUE bet one where the probability is higher than is reflected in the odds.Or is it just me? NOTE: I'll answer that for you...........I'm a fucking idiot and totally misread that. I wouldn't delete....I'm not proud. You've got it! A horse could have no chance but be 1000:1 Bad value. Another horse could be 2:1 but have a very very good chance -good value. Edit: I'm not sure you have got it now.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 25, 2015 20:49:11 GMT
Haha,I did see it and was about to bang my head against the wall! It's almost impossible to get a bet on anymore,I have to place my bets on Betfair. Out of interest, how do the bookies identify you and stop you betting with them? IP address or bank details or summat? Is there no way of circumnavigating it using different peoples accounts or something? I had a mate a long time ago that left the mob and made a living betting on the horses, he did pretty well for 3 years and then had a run where 20 consecutive horses he'd bet on over the jumps took a tumble, wiped his bank out and he had to get a job Also met a bloke at a poker tournament in Walsall who made his living betting on women's tennis of all things I've had accounts in different peoples names-mum,dad,sister,girlfriends from last 3 relationships.I've been doing this since 1999 and back then bookies would lay you a bet.Nowadays they even shut losing accounts if it looks like you know what you're doing.They don't want to know now,they make their profits from FOBT's and online casinos.I went into a William shop before the recent Eng/Pak test series and asked for £150 on Rashid to be top bowler at 4/1,the cashier had to ring up and check before laying the bet.She got off the phone and said I could have £75 at 7/2!! They don't know me from Adam in there.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 25, 2015 21:29:49 GMT
Out of interest, how do the bookies identify you and stop you betting with them? IP address or bank details or summat? Is there no way of circumnavigating it using different peoples accounts or something? I had a mate a long time ago that left the mob and made a living betting on the horses, he did pretty well for 3 years and then had a run where 20 consecutive horses he'd bet on over the jumps took a tumble, wiped his bank out and he had to get a job :( Also met a bloke at a poker tournament in Walsall who made his living betting on women's tennis of all things :) I've had accounts in different peoples names-mum,dad,sister,girlfriends from last 3 relationships.I've been doing this since 1999 and back then bookies would lay you a bet.Nowadays they even shut losing accounts if it looks like you know what you're doing.They don't want to know now,they make their profits from FOBT's and online casinos.I went into a William shop before the recent Eng/Pak test series and asked for £150 on Rashid to be top bowler at 4/1,the cashier had to ring up and check before laying the bet.She got off the phone and said I could have £75 at 7/2!! They don't know me from Adam in there. Probably more cost effective for them than paying clever fuckers who are experts in their fields and who'd suss the odds offering exceptional value the professionals like yourself are seeking out. It was around '88/89 my mate was doing it, obviously no online betting then, did his either in the bookies or at the racecourse, went with him and matched his bets for a couple of weeks, won £600 each in the first week and lost £450 each in the second, if the second week had been the same as the first my life could well have been very different :D
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 25, 2015 21:45:26 GMT
I've had accounts in different peoples names-mum,dad,sister,girlfriends from last 3 relationships.I've been doing this since 1999 and back then bookies would lay you a bet.Nowadays they even shut losing accounts if it looks like you know what you're doing.They don't want to know now,they make their profits from FOBT's and online casinos.I went into a William shop before the recent Eng/Pak test series and asked for £150 on Rashid to be top bowler at 4/1,the cashier had to ring up and check before laying the bet.She got off the phone and said I could have £75 at 7/2!! They don't know me from Adam in there. Probably more cost effective for them than paying clever fuckers who are experts in their fields and who'd suss the odds offering exceptional value the professionals like yourself are seeking out. It was around '88/89 my mate was doing it, obviously no online betting then, did his either in the bookies or at the racecourse, went with him and matched his bets for a couple of weeks, won £600 each in the first week and lost £450 each in the second, if the second week had been the same as the first my life could well have been very different Big advantage back in those days of actually going to the races was that you didn't have to pay tax on your bets. That losing second week probably did you a favour then.Don't get me wrong I love what I do but not knowing when you're getting paid certainly isn't for everyone.
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Post by kernowpotter on Nov 26, 2015 16:34:24 GMT
We will have to hit one hell of a slump and villa Sunderland Newcastle Bournemouth to have a title winning run
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Post by march4 on Nov 26, 2015 20:26:36 GMT
We will have to hit one hell of a slump and villa Sunderland Newcastle Bournemouth to have a title winning run I'm guessing you are assuming crisis club Swansea are already dead and buried.
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Post by riproaring on Dec 8, 2015 23:47:07 GMT
Anybody tweeted this cocksucker
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Post by nott1 on Dec 9, 2015 12:20:42 GMT
Any odds that are involving Stoke being relegated are not worth taking up at any price as we are not going down this season!
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Post by Bick on Dec 9, 2015 12:41:27 GMT
What are our current odds to go down?...
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Post by cheadlepotter on Dec 9, 2015 12:45:39 GMT
What are our current odds to go down?... Between 33/1 and 66/1 online. Probably 40/1 on the high street.
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Post by Bick on Dec 9, 2015 12:50:17 GMT
What are our current odds to go down?... Between 33/1 and 66/1 online. Probably 40/1 on the high street. Still a lot shorter than I'd expect.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Dec 9, 2015 13:03:48 GMT
Is that paragraph you've put on here all he wrote.If not,any chance of putting the full article up? No mate that was it. It was the talking heads bit where they ask them a series of questions. One said Swansea, three said Norwich and he said the above. His other tips were; Best Bet for weekend - Walsall - "Odds on" Walsall only made a drawMost vulnerable Fav - Millwall - Millwall "scraped" home with a vunerable 4..1 win
View on tonights big game - Man City by a goal - Got that one rightEl Clasico - Real Madrid - Barcelona dicked Madrid 4..0Bet for midweek - Draw Zenit V Valencia - Zenit strolled to a two goal victoryDoes this cunt give you tips and advice on other things like how good was Stoke's last transfer window? It all makes sense now.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 9, 2015 13:21:07 GMT
No mate that was it. It was the talking heads bit where they ask them a series of questions. One said Swansea, three said Norwich and he said the above. His other tips were; Best Bet for weekend - Walsall - "Odds on" Walsall only made a drawMost vulnerable Fav - Millwall - Millwall "scraped" home with a vunerable 4..1 win
View on tonights big game - Man City by a goal - Got that one rightEl Clasico - Real Madrid - Barcelona dicked Madrid 4..0Bet for midweek - Draw Zenit V Valencia - Zenit strolled to a two goal victoryDoes this cunt give you tips and advice on other things like how good was Stoke's last transfer window? It all makes sense now. Never met the cunt. I'm still waiting for my apology by the way, after you got it hopelessly wrong again. I've yet to read anything you've ever got right to be honest but agenda's like the 13 year old one you've been waging, do tend to poison the mind somewhat! I can take it you're a Stoke fan not a Newcastle Town fan again now can I? Some might call you a gloryhunting cunt
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Dec 9, 2015 14:04:51 GMT
Does this cunt give you tips and advice on other things like how good was Stoke's last transfer window? It all makes sense now. Never met the cunt. I'm still waiting for my apology by the way, after you got it hopelessly wrong again. I've yet to read anything you've ever got right to be honest but agenda's like the 13 year old one you've been waging, do tend to poison the mind somewhat! I can take it you're a Stoke fan not a Newcastle Town fan again now can I? Some might call you a gloryhunting cunt Thank fuck you are alive. I was getting really worried that you had ended it all in despair at our fabulous football and improved beyond recognition club now it is run by true Premier League standard management. Either that or you had fucked off to Smethwick What am I apologising for?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 9, 2015 14:35:24 GMT
Never met the cunt. I'm still waiting for my apology by the way, after you got it hopelessly wrong again. I've yet to read anything you've ever got right to be honest but agenda's like the 13 year old one you've been waging, do tend to poison the mind somewhat! I can take it you're a Stoke fan not a Newcastle Town fan again now can I? Some might call you a gloryhunting cunt Thank fuck you are alive. I was getting really worried that you had ended it all in despair at our fabulous football and improved beyond recognition club now it is run by true Premier League standard management. Either that or you had fucked off to Smethwick What am I apologising for? You, must have missed my gushing praise and posting of articles from last week and after the Southampton game then? Typical one eyed Marksman behaviour. “Do as I do not as I say” eh? I mean for consistencies sake I expected a flood of posts disregarding this cup run we’re on like you did 2011 bearing in mind its benignity? See your failure to do so marks you out a bit obvious, like! Oh and you’re apologising for suggesting that I posted this article in some way to have a go at the current regime, when even the most illiterate Pulis hating, Scholes tonguing dimlo could have read it was for quite the opposite reasons! Anyway, apology accepted now, even though it was typically late and begrudging to the point of being non-existent! As for ‘off the field’ management, I’m with Mark Hughes when he says ‘we can’t expect to keep on doing what we’re doing’, so you need to have a word with Sparky there, old chum.
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 9, 2015 16:17:54 GMT
"Worst transfer window in recent memory"
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Dec 9, 2015 20:06:12 GMT
Thank fuck you are alive. I was getting really worried that you had ended it all in despair at our fabulous football and improved beyond recognition club now it is run by true Premier League standard management. Either that or you had fucked off to Smethwick What am I apologising for? You, must have missed my gushing praise and posting of articles from last week and after the Southampton game then? Typical one eyed Marksman behaviour. “Do as I do not as I say” eh? I mean for consistencies sake I expected a flood of posts disregarding this cup run we’re on like you did 2011 bearing in mind its benignity? See your failure to do so marks you out a bit obvious, like! Oh and you’re apologising for suggesting that I posted this article in some way to have a go at the current regime, when even the most illiterate Pulis hating, Scholes tonguing dimlo could have read it was for quite the opposite reasons! Anyway, apology accepted now, even though it was typically late and begrudging to the point of being non-existent! As for ‘off the field’ management, I’m with Mark Hughes when he says ‘we can’t expect to keep on doing what we’re doing’, so you need to have a word with Sparky there, old chum. It was non-existent I noted you would never have posted anything vaguely suggesting the previous regime would relegate us and defended the author. You and the other three horsemen of the apocalypse would have mounted up and ridden down anyone else doing likewise too! Every Jack or Harry who has ever posted on this board knows that is absolutely bang on the button and understands your carping about our transfer windows are all about your crazed man never walked on the Moon type theories that Scholes and Cartwright conspired against Pulis. I mean, Mark Hughes looks and sounds pissed off with the support he gets from the club doesn't he? I haven't heard him crying about the front of house, have you? Especially after breaking the club transfer record! Have you apologised to our German central defender?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 9, 2015 21:44:25 GMT
You, must have missed my gushing praise and posting of articles from last week and after the Southampton game then? Typical one eyed Marksman behaviour. “Do as I do not as I say” eh? I mean for consistencies sake I expected a flood of posts disregarding this cup run we’re on like you did 2011 bearing in mind its benignity? See your failure to do so marks you out a bit obvious, like! Oh and you’re apologising for suggesting that I posted this article in some way to have a go at the current regime, when even the most illiterate Pulis hating, Scholes tonguing dimlo could have read it was for quite the opposite reasons! Anyway, apology accepted now, even though it was typically late and begrudging to the point of being non-existent! As for ‘off the field’ management, I’m with Mark Hughes when he says ‘we can’t expect to keep on doing what we’re doing’, so you need to have a word with Sparky there, old chum. It was non-existent I noted you would never have posted anything vaguely suggesting the previous regime would relegate us and defended the author. You and the other three horsemen of the apocalypse would have mounted up and ridden down anyone else doing likewise too! Every Jack or Harry who has ever posted on this board knows that is absolutely bang on the button and understands your carping about our transfer windows are all about your crazed man never walked on the Moon type theories that Scholes and Cartwright conspired against Pulis. I mean, Mark Hughes looks and sounds pissed off with the support he gets from the club doesn't he? I haven't heard him crying about the front of house, have you? Especially after breaking the club transfer record! Have you apologised to our German central defender? Has deserting Stoke City for another team (which you did) actually addled your poisoned brain? I posted hundreds of things that I found unfair about Pulis and shot them down, just like I did with this article, you fucking dolt! It's you who is the absolute blazing fucking hypocrite, who rather than crawl under his rock, like anyone exposed as much as you have been should have done, actually takes to the pulpit to and starts preaching to others as well as subjecting us to pompous crap in the magazine every week. You have not a shred of dignity. I moaned about transfer windows under Pulis (pizza boys etc) and criticise it now. It's now you who thinks that Scholes shits gold coins because the subject of your unhealthy obsession has now departed. Some of the things you and others refuse to criticise Scholes for is sickening and based on entirely on the aforementioned obsession with a cap wearing Welshman. Frankly, pretty despicable even by your standards. "Did Mark Hughes moan about front of house at the end of last season"? Yes. He said, 'That can't be a strategy moving forward, we will have to invest in the team'. It was a quote discussed in depth on here. A debate you bowed out of for some reason? Wonder why? It's because you're a hypocrite. "Have you apologised to our German central defender?" Yes. At least do your research before having a go. It makes you look a bit fucking dim otherwise. Did you question why he was fifth choice centre half not even making the bench a couple of months ago? Did you fuck, you don't question anything these days, you're a fucking hypocrite I can only conclude of this outburst that you're having a tough time and need to do us all a favour and have a little rest and stop making things up in your bewildered and tired mind.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Dec 9, 2015 22:35:16 GMT
Properly rattled now. The abuse is ramping up nicely.
I can hardly wait for the January window! You hatred of the people who have transformed the football club from the previous position that could only be sustained by the bankrolling of the Coated family could lead you to imploding!
I imagine you missed me discussing with you that I was keeping my powder dry and giving it time before I formed a personal opinion on our current German central defender. I guess that's because you were too busy rampaging around in fits of tears about Leicester's German central defender and accusing our management team of the biggest blunder in football history.
Of course investing in the team didn't happen during the tragedy of a summer transfer window did it?
I criticise Scholes as you well know when it is merited. Not on the basis of a vendetta born of the a pathetic conspiracy theory that would embarrass a six year old.
I can feel your hurt. It's all gone too well for the last couple of years hasn't it?
By the way I'm prepared to apologise in full if you can show me where you offered a criticism of the original article you broke your neck in haste to post up prior to my original post on the thread.
I haven't checked back. You show it to me and I shall withdraw my comment.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 9, 2015 22:46:35 GMT
You're just a bullshitting, lying, hypocrite, Mark and you've been exposed as such, too many times to count. I have heaped praise on the current management team and was the first person on the entire board to post the wonderful Guardian article after the Man City game, telling the story of our progression from Pulis through Hughes's reign, describing it as 'belting'. You wouldn't have liked it as it told the truth and gave Pulis a modicum of credit but also described the chalk and cheese nature of the styles.
I can fully understand, what with you behaving so despicably, treacherously and ultimately deserting your football team that you desperately want your perfect story arc with those who were largely fans of the old regime but you wont get it with me.
I love Hughes, I loved Pulis, I love the club and have never deserted them in the shocking way you have and no amount of bollocks from your warped mind will ever give you that perfect story arc and I understand it must burn.
But you must learn to live with it and stop making a cock of yourself.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Dec 9, 2015 22:55:42 GMT
So you are going to point out where you expressed disagreement with the authors notion that Stoke City were good value for a relegation bet and his reasons for recommending it before I pointed out how two faced you are.
You can carry on the smokescreen all night if you wish. The question still stands.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 9, 2015 23:10:33 GMT
So you are going to point out where you expressed disagreement with the authors notion that Stoke City were good value for a relegation bet and his reasons for recommending it before I pointed out how two faced you are. You can carry on the smokescreen all night if you wish. The question still stands. The shocked face, was pretty clear unless you're so blind and ridden with old agendas that you actually think I agreed we were at risk of relegation. Most other people seemed to understand where I was coming from you just seem either incapable, unwilling to or have just gone completely mental. I'll go for the latter.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Dec 9, 2015 23:25:05 GMT
I think most people know exactly where you are coming from on a continual basis. Goodness knows you have hurled enough vile abuse around this message board at people who haven't brought into you awful view of the club other than any aspect that has the stamp of Pulis on it for few to be in any doubt regarding your agenda.
By your own admission then you offered no criticism of the content or the authors reasoning.
Would you like to redeem yourself by demonstrating how you have taken the copious opportunities on offer in the press recently to start a thread praising the progress of the club and tipping it to progress even further?
I'm sure that will reassure an old sceptic like me that you aren't actually only interested in discussion of failure at Stoke City these days.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 9, 2015 23:33:47 GMT
I think most people know exactly where you are coming from on a continual basis. Goodness knows you have hurled enough vile abuse around this message board at people who haven't brought into you awful view of the club other than any aspect that has the stamp of Pulis on it for few to be in any doubt regarding your agenda. By your own admission then you offered no criticism of the content or the authors reasoning. Would you like to redeem yourself by demonstrating how you have taken the copious opportunities on offer in the press recently to start a thread praising the progress of the club and tipping it to progress even further? I'm sure that will reassure an old sceptic like me that you aren't actually only interested in discussion of failure at Stoke City these days. You're a fucking idiot who has dished out constant abuse to me for years and an admin who called me a cunt and then had the temerity to ban me. You're just a fucking senile, old hypocritical scrote, who isn't the worth effort anymore. Just leave me alone you mad bastard or I'll have to report your stalking, wittering lies to admin.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Dec 9, 2015 23:43:22 GMT
I think most people know exactly where you are coming from on a continual basis. Goodness knows you have hurled enough vile abuse around this message board at people who haven't brought into you awful view of the club other than any aspect that has the stamp of Pulis on it for few to be in any doubt regarding your agenda. By your own admission then you offered no criticism of the content or the authors reasoning. Would you like to redeem yourself by demonstrating how you have taken the copious opportunities on offer in the press recently to start a thread praising the progress of the club and tipping it to progress even further? I'm sure that will reassure an old sceptic like me that you aren't actually only interested in discussion of failure at Stoke City these days. You're a fucking idiot who has dished out constant abuse to me for years and an admin who called me a cunt and then had the temerity to ban me. You're just a fucking senile, old hypocritical scrote, who isn't the worth effort anymore. Just leave me alone you mad bastard or I'll have to report your stalking, wittering lies to admin. So you do only start threads highlighting about the only piece of journalism you could find in the universe in recent times predicting failure for the football club. Further more you confirm that you don't balance that by finding and posting a thread highlighting anything positive. What am I supposed to conclude from that? Perhaps exactly the rather mild observation that I made in the first place? It's taken a while to get back to the point and a lot of tears and wriggling on your part but there we go. I'm sure you will regret your foul mouthed abuse and apologise in good time. I'll accept the apology too.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 9, 2015 23:47:53 GMT
Look at my posting history you fucking moron.
Are you denying you called me a cunt by the way? Now we're talking abuse, hey admin boy?
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Dec 9, 2015 23:56:27 GMT
If you say I did I have no doubt I did. If it offends you so much why have you made it your standard method of operating on this message board to hurl foul mouthed abuse at anyone who has a different opinion to you or dares to point out your wildly inconsistent and irrational stance.
Just like you have above.
I was simply gobsmacked that you would start this thread and have no word of criticism for the content or author.
As I said you would never have tolerated such a view previously!
And you fucking know it!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 10, 2015 0:01:14 GMT
If you say I did I have no doubt I did. If it offends you so much why have you made it your standard method of operating on this message board to hurl foul mouthed abuse at anyone who has a different opinion to you or dares to point out your wildly inconsistent and irrational stance. Just like you have above. I was simply gobsmacked that you would start this thread and have no word of criticism for the content or author. As I said you would never have tolerated such a view previously! And you fucking know it! You're a fucking hypocrite who deserted your football club. You abuse people constantly and also ban people. You know a bit like a hypocrite. I can say without fear of contradiction and with a full posting history as proof that I loved Pulis and he did a great job for Stoke City and I love Hughes and he's doing a great job for Stoke City. You cant say the same because you're mired in decade long agendas but still preach from the pulpit like a blazing hypocrite. I'll take my history on this board over yours any day of the fucking week. Yours is shameful.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Dec 10, 2015 0:19:11 GMT
Still dodging the point? I promise you no one will argue with you that your support for Pulis was unblemished by a single word of criticism and your tolerance of any suggestion by anyone that every single minute of his tenure was anything less than a glorious success story was absolutely zero. Yet a story recommending a bet on Stoke for relegation that is at complete odds with anything else in print regarding the outlook for the club and it is you starting a thread and not offering a word against it. Your only observation was to inform us that the author is a jolly decent chap. I look forward to your view of the next transfer window. I imagine that's your next hope to put the boot into the club. If only it was the Icelanders controlling the purse strings you could have a field day Mr Stoke City
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