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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 30, 2017 22:44:39 GMT
Screaming out for upgraded defenders / defensive cover and we're apparently looking at another midfielder. Mint.
I'm beginning to hate the midfield positions.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 30, 2017 22:46:01 GMT
You'd sell Joe Allen instantly?? In a heartbeat. He's a rich mans Dean Whitehead. His signing has done more harm than good. You usually talk a lot of sense but this is bullshit. However, we all ears: what you base that on?
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Post by RichJonesy on Jan 30, 2017 22:47:21 GMT
Agree KU 100% there. Joe Allen has done no harm.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 30, 2017 22:49:22 GMT
In a heartbeat. He's a rich mans Dean Whitehead. His signing has done more harm than good. You usually talk a lot of sense but this is bullshit. However, we all ears: what you base that on? He wasn't needed. His signing caused a massive unbalance in the squad. It was always going to lead to Bojan leaving (which is wrong). And this isn't hindsight, the posts are there from the summer. He's been shoehorned into the side and it's had a negative effect on the football we've played. And has lead to one our most creative and attacking players leaving. We still don't need him now.
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Post by djduncanjames on Jan 30, 2017 22:49:23 GMT
What about Ireland? I forgot we had him and he's the only attacking midfielder we have and hopefully we'll release him in the summer. You kept saying 5 and I couldn't get where Ireland was in that
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 30, 2017 22:51:37 GMT
In a heartbeat. He's a rich mans Dean Whitehead. His signing has done more harm than good. You usually talk a lot of sense but this is bullshit. However, we all ears: what you base that on? 4-3-3 would basically mean either false 9 or bye bye Bojan. I think that's what will eventually happen. I don't like it.
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Post by chayzenbacon on Jan 30, 2017 22:52:07 GMT
Word of warning - he was injured on England duty! No need to worry about that. If he ever puts on a Stoke shirt that will be the end of his England career.
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Post by RichJonesy on Jan 30, 2017 22:54:26 GMT
You usually talk a lot of sense but this is bullshit. However, we all ears: what you base that on? He wasn't needed. His signing caused a massive unbalance in the squad. It was always going to lead to Bojan leaving (which is wrong). And this isn't hindsight, the posts are there from the summer. He's been shoehorned into the side and it's had a negative effect on the football we've played. And has lead to one our most creative and attacking players leaving. We still don't need him now. Sometimes I think you say things to get a reaction. Which you've done again. Bojan left because he wasn't getting game time. This was because he wasn't where he was before his injury. He needs games and no one is patient enough at this level to give them to him. Not because we signed Joe Allen.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 30, 2017 22:55:26 GMT
He wasn't needed. His signing caused a massive unbalance in the squad. It was always going to lead to Bojan leaving (which is wrong). And this isn't hindsight, the posts are there from the summer. He's been shoehorned into the side and it's had a negative effect on the football we've played. And has lead to one our most creative and attacking players leaving. We still don't need him now. Sometimes I think you say things to get a reaction. Which you've done again. Bojan left because he wasn't getting game time. This was because he wasn't where he was before his injury. He needs games and no one is patient enough at this level to give them to him. Not because we signed Joe Allen. Yes it was, I said it'd happen in the summer, it did! oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/259021/where-allen-play?page=3
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 30, 2017 22:56:25 GMT
Does every team have an out an out defensive midfielder? I mean one whose sole duty is to break up play and offer next to nothing else?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 30, 2017 22:57:49 GMT
You usually talk a lot of sense but this is bullshit. However, we all ears: what you base that on? I think that's what will eventually happen. I don't like it. Well to be fair that's pretty clear .
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Post by Gifton on Jan 30, 2017 22:57:57 GMT
You usually talk a lot of sense but this is bullshit. However, we all ears: what you base that on? He wasn't needed. His signing caused a massive unbalance in the squad. It was always going to lead to Bojan leaving (which is wrong). And this isn't hindsight, the posts are there from the summer. He's been shoehorned into the side and it's had a negative effect on the football we've played. And has lead to one our most creative and attacking players leaving. We still don't need him now. Totally respect your opinion and I genuinely understand what you're saying. I still think he's a quality player though and will prove to be a success in the long term even if he isn't what we needed at the time.
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Post by RichJonesy on Jan 30, 2017 22:59:03 GMT
Sometimes I think you say things to get a reaction. Which you've done again. Bojan left because he wasn't getting game time. This was because he wasn't where he was before his injury. He needs games and no one is patient enough at this level to give them to him. Not because we signed Joe Allen. Yes it was, I said it'd happen in the summer, it did! But you're saying Allen is the reason we have let Bojan go on loan. That's the bullshit. Bojan isn't playing well enough this season, that's the reason he has gone out. You say so much that something is bound to happen that goes along the linesman of what you said for you turn round with that answer.
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Post by happyending on Jan 30, 2017 23:00:49 GMT
Similar to Berahino, if we got him fit and playing anywhere near his best then he walks into our team. Still young with a point to prove, British, knows the league, and bags of ability. Well worth a punt in my opinion. I wouldn't even mind if we went balls out for a permanent deal. He will leave Man City anyway and it won't be for a relegation battle so we're well placed to make a move whilst there is a general feeling of optimism around the club. We are becoming an attractive prospect for players who wish to prove themselves and signing him would only enhance our reputation.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Jan 30, 2017 23:01:08 GMT
You usually talk a lot of sense but this is bullshit. However, we all ears: what you base that on? He wasn't needed. His signing caused a massive unbalance in the squad. It was always going to lead to Bojan leaving (which is wrong). And this isn't hindsight, the posts are there from the summer. He's been shoehorned into the side and it's had a negative effect on the football we've played. And has lead to one our most creative and attacking players leaving. We still don't need him now. The problem wasn't allen. It was the fact Hughes bought a great player who happened to do well in the number 10 role. When we needed him to replace Whelan. Thats the problem
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 30, 2017 23:02:33 GMT
Yes it was, I said it'd happen in the summer, it did! But you're saying Allen is the reason we have let Bojan go on loan. That's the bullshit. Bojan isn't playing well enough this season, that's the reason he has gone out. You say so much that something is bound to happen that goes along the linesman of what you said for you turn round with that answer. His signing is and it was always going to happen that way! See the link; oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/259021/where-allen-play?page=3We just never had the room for them all and something had to give irrespective, it was always going to Bojan.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 30, 2017 23:03:28 GMT
He wasn't needed. His signing caused a massive unbalance in the squad. It was always going to lead to Bojan leaving (which is wrong). And this isn't hindsight, the posts are there from the summer. He's been shoehorned into the side and it's had a negative effect on the football we've played. And has lead to one our most creative and attacking players leaving. We still don't need him now. The problem wasn't allen. It was the fact Hughes bought a great player who happened to do well in the number 10 role. When we needed him to replace Whelan. Thats the problem Signing Allen to replace Whelan is plain stupid though like signing Allen to replace Bojan is......
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 30, 2017 23:05:30 GMT
He wasn't needed. His signing caused a massive unbalance in the squad. It was always going to lead to Bojan leaving (which is wrong). And this isn't hindsight, the posts are there from the summer. He's been shoehorned into the side and it's had a negative effect on the football we've played. And has lead to one our most creative and attacking players leaving. We still don't need him now. Totally respect your opinion and I genuinely understand what you're saying. I still think he's a quality player though and will prove to be a success in the long term even if he isn't what we needed at the time. I think he's done well overall but is a bang average player and is no attacking midfielder.
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Post by Davef on Jan 30, 2017 23:07:27 GMT
Not convinced. I think we can do better. Who do you have in mind exactly?
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Post by kustokie on Jan 30, 2017 23:07:34 GMT
He wasn't needed. His signing caused a massive unbalance in the squad. It was always going to lead to Bojan leaving (which is wrong). And this isn't hindsight, the posts are there from the summer. He's been shoehorned into the side and it's had a negative effect on the football we've played. And has lead to one our most creative and attacking players leaving. We still don't need him now. Sometimes I think you say things to get a reaction. Which you've done again. Bojan left because he wasn't getting game time. This was because he wasn't where he was before his injury. He needs games and no one is patient enough at this level to give them to him. Not because we signed Joe Allen. What? Bayern? Stir the pot? Never! More seriously, that's the point of a chat room. He posts an opinion, which some people like and he gets a thumbs up. Sometimes people don't like it and he gets a reaction. It's how it works. He just doesn't like it when he someone points out that he might be wrong and he has his tits in a wringer, which is fine too.
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Post by slicko on Jan 30, 2017 23:10:25 GMT
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Post by liamo on Jan 30, 2017 23:11:31 GMT
You usually talk a lot of sense but this is bullshit. However, we all ears: what you base that on? He wasn't needed. His signing caused a massive unbalance in the squad. It was always going to lead to Bojan leaving (which is wrong). And this isn't hindsight, the posts are there from the summer. He's been shoehorned into the side and it's had a negative effect on the football we've played. And has lead to one our most creative and attacking players leaving. We still don't need him now. I think it was less of replacing Bojan and more of being forced to add another engine to the midfield because 2 isn't enough for Stoke, Bojan having to make way was more of a symptom of the disease rather than Allen being the cause If we pushed Allen back alongside Whelan and played Shaq in the No.10 role we'd be in the exact same position, but i do see your point, if Allen isn't a box to box we didn't need him at all He's a good player but if we just collect good players on a semi-random basis and can't figure out how to play them together what's the point? Hughes is like my nan, her house is full of furniture but she's always on ebay buying more even though she's got nowhere to put it
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 30, 2017 23:12:10 GMT
Sometimes I think you say things to get a reaction. Which you've done again. Bojan left because he wasn't getting game time. This was because he wasn't where he was before his injury. He needs games and no one is patient enough at this level to give them to him. Not because we signed Joe Allen. What? Bayern? Stir the pot? Never! More seriously, that's the point of a chat room. He posts an opinion, which some people like and he gets a thumbs up. Sometimes people don't like it and he gets a reaction. It's how it works. He just doesn't like it when he someone points out that he might be wrong and he has his tits in a wringer, which is fine too. I love arguing so how don't I like it when people disagree? And I haven't said this to get a rise, I just don't think Allen is the messiah, he's like Afellay last year. He's the best of a bad bunch and it makes him look better than he actually is. Anyway, like the thread from the summer shows this was always going to happen. You seem to be conveniently glossing over that!
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Post by stantheman on Jan 30, 2017 23:13:29 GMT
Totally respect your opinion and I genuinely understand what you're saying. I still think he's a quality player though and will prove to be a success in the long term even if he isn't what we needed at the time. I think he's done well overall but is a bang average player and is no attacking midfielder. Have you ever thought about setting up your own message board?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 30, 2017 23:13:47 GMT
He wasn't needed. His signing caused a massive unbalance in the squad. It was always going to lead to Bojan leaving (which is wrong). And this isn't hindsight, the posts are there from the summer. He's been shoehorned into the side and it's had a negative effect on the football we've played. And has lead to one our most creative and attacking players leaving. We still don't need him now. I think it was less of replacing Bojan and more of being forced to add another engine to the midfield because 2 isn't enough for Stoke, Bojan having to make way was more of a symptom of the disease rather than Allen being the cause If we pushed Allen back alongside Whelan and played Shaq in the No.10 role we'd be in the exact same position, but i do see your point, if Allen isn't a box to box we didn't need him at all He's a good player but if we just collect good players on a semi-random basis and can't figure out how to play them together what's the point? Hughes is like my nan, her house is full of furniture but she's always on ebay buying more even though she's got nowhere to put it Allens signing was the cause though. We didn't need him. We needed a DM, like we do now. Agree with the last paragraph!
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Post by RichJonesy on Jan 30, 2017 23:14:08 GMT
Not convinced. I think we can do better. Who do you have in mind exactly? Well I think Delph is to much of a cm and we need a dm. I would like is to look at Lucas, M'Vila or Camacho. All should be affordable I would think and a better fit for us right now.
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Post by Robo10 on Jan 30, 2017 23:15:19 GMT
I think he's done well overall but is a bang average player and is no attacking midfielder. Have you ever thought about setting up your own message board? Why do that when you can hijack this one and reply to every single post with a counter opinion?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 30, 2017 23:19:04 GMT
Have you ever thought about setting up your own message board? Why do that when you can hijack this one and reply to every single post with a counter opinion? Why wouldn't I reply to people replying to me? That's just weird, bloody Tories!
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Post by samba :) on Jan 30, 2017 23:19:27 GMT
Delph holy shit no thanks please LMH let this not be true. What, another England International not good enough for the mighty Potters? You couldn't make it up. let me tell you a little story about a little snake Fabian delph had a medical at manchester city and failed He then went on to say something along the lines of "i didnt want to leave i love villa and im captain blah blah bullshit bullshit" Then machester city wanted him anyway, which proved his bullshit Then he got injured lol Thats why i dont want him
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 30, 2017 23:21:50 GMT
No complaints with bayerns view of Allen from me. He's right.
He was never the player we needed. He was never going to take Whelan's place, he was never going to fill the giant shaped n'zonzi boots and he was always going to be shoe horned into a 3 man midfield because he wasn't/isn't good enough to be part of a two man midfield.
I think he's crap. He is dean whitehead in disguise and I know stoke fans will vote him as our player of the year because he runs around a lot.
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