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Post by VolvicStokie on Nov 5, 2015 23:14:52 GMT
Played for Southampton, that means you get an automated voicemail every squad announcement telling you you've made it
No matter how wank you are
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Post by Bowyer83 on Nov 5, 2015 23:16:11 GMT
Ok I haven't lost the plot but if Arnie or Bojan were eligible to play for England would they get in our current squad? In fact would any of our current players get in the squad? (If Eligible and the exception of Butland) Mate, you ain't lost the plot but where has this thought come from?? I for one only think of players playing for there country. I must admit we are blessed with a lot of good international players and I do keep an eye on there fortunes while playing for there countries especially ROI but there's more. Going back to your thoughts/thread Bojan for Spain & Arnie for Austria but as we stand they & we are STOKE UTMPs . As always just my opinion. Random as fuck I know, just curiosity really. Suprised nobody threw Sidwell in the mix
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 6, 2015 1:04:01 GMT
Lallana is one of the better English midfielders so its no brainer really.
Please provide alternatives so we can all say how crap they are as well.
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Post by Gods on Nov 6, 2015 1:16:00 GMT
I think Lallana is going to turn out to be the real deal, he looks quality and a fine athlete too.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Nov 6, 2015 2:07:30 GMT
I'm no great fan of Hodgson but, Ryan aside, who else could he / should he select? Much of the parlous state of the England national side is down to the "win it now" greed league mentality that sees so many foreign imports taking all the key places in pretty much EVERY Premier League side. How many Stoke players (regular starters) are English!? Rough count is 3 of whom 1 is in, 1 should be and the other used to be. How many English academy players get to start for their clubs? The way things are going the squad will soon need to be augmented from teams in the Championship! A quota system may be the only solution f the national side is ever going to prosper. For the very reasons you highlight, it's about time England DID start to look at players in the Champioship. Why on earth should an English player, playing out of his skin in the Championship, be ignored in favour of a player that sits on Chelsea's/Man Utd's/Man City's bench? Take Ali, for instance, he makes a real name for himself at MK Dons and after a couple of games for Spurs he is deemed good enough for England.....PATHETIC. Mind you, it's never been any different as far back as I can recall. Even our own Mark Chamberlain, who was a cracking player at Port Vale, got selected for England five minutes after moving to Stoke. There are countless examples and it pisses me off that players move to the top clubs (some of them) to sit on their arses for three/four years and count their millions and STILL they get picked for England. GGGGRRRRRRRRRRR! BTW: IMHO Lallana is a very over-rated player (and I said it when people were swooning over him at Southampton) and he is one of the biggest marde arses I have ever seen on a football pitch. I'm sick of saying it, the bloke spends more time lying on the pitch than he does on his feet. And.....relax......
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Post by kustokie on Nov 6, 2015 3:05:20 GMT
Unfortunately, this may be the best available. Don't want Shawcross in the England squad right now. Gives him more time get fit and allow his back to continue to heal. Also, eliminates the chance of getting injured if picked. Should definitely be in the Euro 2016 squad if he plays well for the rest of the season and doesn't get re-injured.
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Post by nott1 on Nov 6, 2015 9:29:25 GMT
I agree, apart from the last bit. They are going nowhere! I reckon he will have them challenging for the title in 12 months time
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Post by nott1 on Nov 6, 2015 9:30:09 GMT
I think Lallana is going to turn out to be the real deal, he looks quality and a fine athlete too.
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Post by nott1 on Nov 6, 2015 9:31:05 GMT
Lallana is one of the better English midfielders so its no brainer really. Please provide alternatives so we can all say how crap they are as well.
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Nov 6, 2015 9:41:59 GMT
The whole team selection issue, so many inexperienced, underperforming and sub standard players getting in the England team just indicates the dearth of World class English footballers at this moment in time. We were warned 20 years ago when the big clubs started to bring in foreign players in large numbers, thus alienating English talent, that this would happen. We should have listened to the warnings but the clubs only cared about domestic success, and ignored the potential damage it would do to our national side. You reap what you sew.
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Post by Fenparkpotter on Nov 6, 2015 9:43:17 GMT
Yes, but they wouldn't be at Stoke
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Post by whydelilah on Nov 6, 2015 10:00:20 GMT
No other options would be a good place to start It's a fallacy there are absolutely no other options, you just need to look outside of the fashionable media darling clubs. Lallana has done nothing this season and is struggling to hold down a regular slot as a result. What exactly has he done to warrant a call up? Leicester are flying at the moment and Albrighton is holding down a regular spot in that side, with 4 assists and 1 goal to his name in the Premier League (compared to Lallana's 0 goals and 0 assists). I'm not Albrighton's biggest fan but playing for your country should be based on merit and form. As for Delph getting picked after just 4 minutes of Football in the past 2 months, why not give Drinkwater a go? Again, he's bang in form and he's holding down a spot at a team flying high in the league. There are alternatives, you just need to look further afield.
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Post by rawli on Nov 6, 2015 10:32:39 GMT
If Bojan was English he'd be worth more than £30 million.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 6, 2015 12:06:40 GMT
Kyle Walker, Phil Jones, Eric dier, Fabian delph, Adam lallana. Its fucking farcical :-) dier has been really good for spurs this season to be fair, and england desperately need a holding midfielder. That as maybe so but I could have sworn the boy himself withdrew from an England squad (was it the U-21's) because he didn't want to play right back and would rather focus on his development at centre half. I also seem to recall Hodgson passing some comment about him being a centre half and not a midfielder towards the back end of last season but I could well have dreamt that. Meanwhile, Mark Noble, who is playing very well in a good West Ham side is overlooked yet again despite being a premier league regular since his teenage years. It is an absolute farce.
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Post by werrington on Nov 6, 2015 12:26:30 GMT
No other options would be a good place to start It's a fallacy there are absolutely no other options, you just need to look outside of the fashionable media darling clubs. Lallana has done nothing this season and is struggling to hold down a regular slot as a result. What exactly has he done to warrant a call up? Leicester are flying at the moment and Albrighton is holding down a regular spot in that side, with 4 assists and 1 goal to his name in the Premier League (compared to Lallana's 0 goals and 0 assists). I'm not Albrighton's biggest fan but playing for your country should be based on merit and form. As for Delph getting picked after just 4 minutes of Football in the past 2 months, why not give Drinkwater a go? Again, he's bang in form and he's holding down a spot at a team flying high in the league. There are alternatives, you just need to look further afield. Oh I wasn't knocking your thread mate It's just that English football is now reaping it's " get stuck in " philosophy and will take years to change I agree about the clubs thing but let's be honest here .....if Hodgson called up Albrighton etc this mb would be carnage as they don't like the fact that certain clubs players get picked but when he delves outside the major clubs he gets derided also See Vardy see Delph ( at Villa ) see Shelvey etc etc
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Nov 6, 2015 12:31:24 GMT
I have to say. There have been times when a player has been named in the England squad, I've thought "who the fuck is he"??
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Post by Rick Grimes on Nov 6, 2015 12:33:29 GMT
Lallana is a horrible twat, I don't think I've seen such a completely unjustified mardarse and his last two performances at the Brit have been absolutely disgraceful.
Having said that he should definitely be in the squad but Barkley should be ahead of him in the pecking order.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Nov 6, 2015 14:40:25 GMT
The whole team selection issue, so many inexperienced, underperforming and sub standard players getting in the England team just indicates the dearth of World class English footballers at this moment in time. We were warned 20 years ago when the big clubs started to bring in foreign players in large numbers, thus alienating English talent, that this would happen. We should have listened to the warnings but the clubs only cared about domestic success, and ignored the potential damage it would do to our national side. You reap what you sew. Indeed. The irony of course is that the FA founded the Premier League ( which it now has little control over) supposedly to assist the England team whereas in practice the reverse has happened, and the downward trend of game time of eligible english players still continues apace. When you look at how many PL clubs are foreign-owned and/or managed, and the huge financial cost of relegation, it is hardly surprising that they go for established foreign players rather than seeing the development of young english talent as part of their role. And for EU players, because of the free movement of labour, nothing can be done about it.
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Post by damagedswan on Nov 6, 2015 15:48:54 GMT
dier has been really good for spurs this season to be fair, and england desperately need a holding midfielder. That as maybe so but I could have sworn the boy himself withdrew from an England squad (was it the U-21's) because he didn't want to play right back and would rather focus on his development at centre half. I also seem to recall Hodgson passing some comment about him being a centre half and not a midfielder towards the back end of last season but I could well have dreamt that. Meanwhile, Mark Noble, who is playing very well in a good West Ham side is overlooked yet again despite being a premier league regular since his teenage years. It is an absolute farce. that was a rumour which he flat out denied: "Asked whether he was unhappy about playing at right-back instead of his preferred central position, Dier replied: “I will never complain to a manager about what I position I play as long as I am playing – I’d even play centre-forward if I was asked to.”" i'm not really sure why i'm riding into battle for dier hugely, i just think he is a genuinely decent prospect in a position in which england are really understocked at the moment. and i don't mind noble as a player, but he is not the deep-lying midfielder dier is.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 6, 2015 15:58:41 GMT
Mark Noble is bang average. An England cap shouldn't be a lifetime achievement award.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 6, 2015 16:19:20 GMT
just look how shit we've become, its such an embarrassing squad. Jack BUTLAND Joe HART Tom HEATON Ryan BERTRAND Gary CAHILL Nathaniel CLYNE Kieran GIBBS Phil JONES Chris SMALLING John STONES Kyle WALKER Dele ALLI Ross BARKLEY Michael CARRICK Fabian DELPH Eric DIER Adam LALLANA James MILNER Jonjo SHELVEY Raheem STERLING Harry KANE Wayne ROONEY Jamie VARDY What's embarrassing about it mate? We are what we are and there are some cracking young footballers in that squad. We aren't going to win anything anytime soon, but then again we don't exactly have a rich history of major trophies do we,so just take it for what it is and get behind them when they play. Our biggest problem is our manager at the minute. I'd say it's embarrassing how far we've fallen. I don't think a single one of those players who would get into the 98 squad.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 6, 2015 16:21:01 GMT
What's embarrassing about it mate? We are what we are and there are some cracking young footballers in that squad. We aren't going to win anything anytime soon, but then again we don't exactly have a rich history of major trophies do we,so just take it for what it is and get behind them when they play. Our biggest problem is our manager at the minute. I'd say it's embarrassing how far we've fallen. I don't think a single one of those players who would get into the 98 squad. Probably not many. I think Hart, Carrick and possibly Delph might.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 6, 2015 16:22:37 GMT
I'd say it's embarrassing how far we've fallen. I don't think a single one of those players who would get into the 98 squad. Probably not many. I think Hart, Carrick and possibly Delph might. Hart possibly yes, although would he get in ahead of Seaman? Carrick would make the bench, nothing more. Delph? No.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 16:30:00 GMT
What's embarrassing about it mate? We are what we are and there are some cracking young footballers in that squad. We aren't going to win anything anytime soon, but then again we don't exactly have a rich history of major trophies do we,so just take it for what it is and get behind them when they play. Our biggest problem is our manager at the minute. I'd say it's embarrassing how far we've fallen. I don't think a single one of those players who would get into the 98 squad. Yeah because that 98 squad achieved loads didn't it. You would have been better saying the '66 squad really but even then it would have been pretty irrelevant.
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Post by bringmesunshine on Nov 6, 2015 16:30:30 GMT
Probably not many. I think Hart, Carrick and possibly Delph might. Hart possibly yes, although would he get in ahead of Seaman? Carrick would make the bench, nothing more. Delph? No. Half a dozen of them as squad players at best.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 16:30:26 GMT
I reckon he will have them challenging for the title in 12 months time We will see. Interesting viewpoint though
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 6, 2015 16:32:23 GMT
Probably not many. I think Hart, Carrick and possibly Delph might. Hart possibly yes, although would he get in ahead of Seaman? Carrick would make the bench, nothing more. Delph? No. Not ahead of Seaman or even Martyn but ahead of Flowers I reckon. Carrick I reckon would make the squad. I like Delph. Don't think he's worse than Rob Lee or David Batty (who were both decent if unspectacular players).
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 6, 2015 16:32:56 GMT
I'd say it's embarrassing how far we've fallen. I don't think a single one of those players who would get into the 98 squad. Yeah because that 98 squad achieved loads didn't it. You would have been better saying the '66 squad really but even then it would have been pretty irrelevant. Was still a decent squad though. If Hoddle hadn't fucked it against Romania we might've made the semis I reckon.
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Post by 2004 on Nov 6, 2015 16:36:09 GMT
Why the fuck is Tom Heaton still getting in the squad?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 6, 2015 16:43:15 GMT
Why the fuck is Tom Heaton still getting in the squad? Ruddy's wank and everyone else is injured I think.
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