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Joselu
Jan 14, 2016 21:05:11 GMT
Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 14, 2016 21:05:11 GMT
What was with Joselu when he went down and someone (can't remember who) ran to the touchline, got some sort of package, took it over to Joselu who seemed to eat or drink (or otherwise suck) from it? What was it? Why? Why did specifically Joselu have one and nobody else?
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Post by slicko on Jan 14, 2016 21:08:59 GMT
What was with Joselu when he went down and someone (can't remember who) ran to the touchline, got some sort of package, took it over to Joselu who seemed to eat or drink (or otherwise suck) from it? What was it? Why? Why did specifically Joselu have one and nobody else? BEET IT BUDDY m.facebook.com/BEET.IT.Sport/
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 14, 2016 21:20:10 GMT
What was with Joselu when he went down and someone (can't remember who) ran to the touchline, got some sort of package, took it over to Joselu who seemed to eat or drink (or otherwise suck) from it? What was it? Why? Why did specifically Joselu have one and nobody else? Pure glucose gels or something arnt they?
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Joselu
Jan 14, 2016 21:20:16 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2016 21:20:16 GMT
Seems a bit low but we haven't been making as many all season. It's one of the things that I think we've been poor at. Afellay made 96 passes yesterday. 95% completion rate. You're preaching to the choir
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Joselu
Jan 14, 2016 21:34:39 GMT
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Post by whydelilah on Jan 14, 2016 21:34:39 GMT
Afellay made 96 passes yesterday. 95% completion rate. You're preaching to the choir That 29 passes stat was skewed.
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Joselu
Jan 14, 2016 22:04:41 GMT
Post by Olgrligm on Jan 14, 2016 22:04:41 GMT
I think I'm going to be on my own here, but I'm still not sure about him. He took his goal well yesterday and the outside boot through ball for Arnie was sublime, but even then, something just doesn't quite seem to fit. Maybe it's because he's more of a Giroud/Chamakh type target man than a proper battering ram. I'm just not quite convinced.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 14, 2016 22:06:59 GMT
I think I'm going to be on my own here, but I'm still not sure about him. He took his goal well yesterday and the outside boot through ball for Arnie was sublime, but even then, something just doesn't quite seem to fit. Maybe it's because he's more of a Giroud/Chamakh type target man than a proper battering ram. I'm just not quite convinced. There's a long way to go yet but he's definitely showing real signs of adapting his game and being able to influence games which I really doubted for a while. One swallow doesn't make a summer but I am far more hopeful of him making a positive impact on us.
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Joselu
Jan 14, 2016 22:09:13 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2016 22:09:13 GMT
The issues last night attacking wise imo all surround Bojan. He just wasn't good enough and isn't doing enough to justify selection. And if Ireland has been sent to Coventry/injury then we need to sign another #10 to have another option.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jan 14, 2016 22:09:34 GMT
I think I'm going to be on my own here, but I'm still not sure about him. He took his goal well yesterday and the outside boot through ball for Arnie was sublime, but even then, something just doesn't quite seem to fit. Maybe it's because he's more of a Giroud/Chamakh type target man than a proper battering ram. I'm just not quite convinced. There's a long way to go yet but he's definitely showing real signs of adapting his game and being able to influence games which I really doubted for a while. One swallow doesn't make a summer but I am far more hopeful of him making a positive impact on us. I'm surprised by how good his vision and passing is, I didn't expect that at all when we signed him, he's certainly starting to settle down a bit.
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Joselu
Jan 14, 2016 22:12:32 GMT
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jan 14, 2016 22:12:32 GMT
The issues last night attacking wise imo all surround Bojan. He just wasn't good enough and isn't doing enough to justify selection. And if Ireland has been sent to Coventry/injury then we need to sign another #10 to have another option. I suppose Joselu is worth a go at number 10, he's very clever, good awareness, can pick a pass, then we could perhaps play Diouf in front of him.
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Joselu
Jan 14, 2016 22:14:30 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2016 22:14:30 GMT
The issues last night attacking wise imo all surround Bojan. He just wasn't good enough and isn't doing enough to justify selection. And if Ireland has been sent to Coventry/injury then we need to sign another #10 to have another option. I suppose Joselu is worth a go at number 10, he's very clever, good awareness, can pick a pass, then we could perhaps play Diouf in front of him. Possibly. I'd definitely like to see both of them play centrally at some point, I think they'd work well together. But if Ireland isn't needed (lets face it he isn't) then we need another #10 anyway.
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Joselu
Jan 14, 2016 22:19:29 GMT
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jan 14, 2016 22:19:29 GMT
I suppose Joselu is worth a go at number 10, he's very clever, good awareness, can pick a pass, then we could perhaps play Diouf in front of him. Possibly. I'd definitely like to see both of them play centrally at some point, I think they'd work well together. But if Ireland isn't needed (lets face it he isn't) then we need another #10 anyway. I agree, don't seen a number 10 coming in though, you've got to think who would be available too.
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Joselu
Jan 14, 2016 22:21:04 GMT
Post by Olgrligm on Jan 14, 2016 22:21:04 GMT
I think I'm going to be on my own here, but I'm still not sure about him. He took his goal well yesterday and the outside boot through ball for Arnie was sublime, but even then, something just doesn't quite seem to fit. Maybe it's because he's more of a Giroud/Chamakh type target man than a proper battering ram. I'm just not quite convinced. There's a long way to go yet but he's definitely showing real signs of adapting his game and being able to influence games which I really doubted for a while. One swallow doesn't make a summer but I am far more hopeful of him making a positive impact on us. That's all very true. I guess he just isn't the sort of player that I thought he was. Didn't he have some daft stat in Germany that he won every single header last season, or something like that?
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Joselu
Jan 14, 2016 22:21:41 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2016 22:21:41 GMT
Possibly. I'd definitely like to see both of them play centrally at some point, I think they'd work well together. But if Ireland isn't needed (lets face it he isn't) then we need another #10 anyway. I agree, don't seen a number 10 coming in though, you've got to think who would be available too. Nor me. So Ireland has to be eased back in. Or he has to play Shenton. All of this whilst getting Bojan rehabilitated.
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Joselu
Jan 14, 2016 22:22:20 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2016 22:22:20 GMT
There's a long way to go yet but he's definitely showing real signs of adapting his game and being able to influence games which I really doubted for a while. One swallow doesn't make a summer but I am far more hopeful of him making a positive impact on us. That's all very true. I guess he just isn't the sort of player that I thought he was. Didn't he have some daft stat in Germany that he won every single header last season, or something like that? Won the most aerial duels in the league apparently.
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Joselu
Jan 14, 2016 22:23:01 GMT
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jan 14, 2016 22:23:01 GMT
I agree, don't seen a number 10 coming in though, you've got to think who would be available too. Nor me. So Ireland has to be eased back in. Or he has to play Shenton. All of this whilst getting Bojan rehabilitated. Ireland was outstanding against Spurs then couldn't get a game, I don't know what's happened with him, I know he's injured at the minute but still.
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Joselu
Jan 14, 2016 22:25:27 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 14, 2016 22:25:27 GMT
I suppose Joselu is worth a go at number 10, he's very clever, good awareness, can pick a pass, then we could perhaps play Diouf in front of him. Possibly. I'd definitely like to see both of them play centrally at some point, I think they'd work well together. But if Ireland isn't needed (lets face it he isn't) then we need another #10 anyway. We don't need another no10. We don't need an alternative to bojan. We've got loads of options in that position and plenty of alternatives should we decide to set up differently. If bojan continued to struggle, got injured or departed I'm fairly certain that shaqiri would be a revelation in that position. Afellay can play there, Walters can play behind a striker and Arnie would also be immense in such a role. If we were to sign one player, I'd want a third genuine wide option, one who would rather run down the outside with blistering pace instead of cutting inside all the time.
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Joselu
Jan 14, 2016 22:25:48 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2016 22:25:48 GMT
Nor me. So Ireland has to be eased back in. Or he has to play Shenton. All of this whilst getting Bojan rehabilitated. Ireland was outstanding against Spurs then couldn't get a game, I don't know what's happened with him, I know he's injured at the minute but still. Yup it was absolutely mind boggling.
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Joselu
Jan 14, 2016 22:27:48 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2016 22:27:48 GMT
Possibly. I'd definitely like to see both of them play centrally at some point, I think they'd work well together. But if Ireland isn't needed (lets face it he isn't) then we need another #10 anyway. We don't need another no10. We don't need an alternative to bojan. We've got loads of options in that position and plenty of alternatives should we decide to set up differently. If bojan continued to struggle, got injured or departed I'm fairly certain that shaqiri would be a revelation in that position. Afellay can play there, Walters can play behind a striker and Arnie would also be immense in such a role. If we were to sign one player, I'd want a third genuine wide option, one who would rather run down the outside with blistering pace instead of cutting inside all the time. The other #10 we have can't buy a game. We could play Shaqiri there but there's no real alternative for the right wing. Joselu could do a job there but I'd prefer him up front. Afellay doesn't do enough to play there. Arnie is way better from the left. We need a back up winger more than anything. But Bojan needs some competition and a kick up the arse.
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Joselu
Jan 14, 2016 22:31:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 22:31:40 GMT
Possibly. I'd definitely like to see both of them play centrally at some point, I think they'd work well together. But if Ireland isn't needed (lets face it he isn't) then we need another #10 anyway. We don't need another no10. We don't need an alternative to bojan. We've got loads of options in that position and plenty of alternatives should we decide to set up differently. If bojan continued to struggle, got injured or departed I'm fairly certain that shaqiri would be a revelation in that position. Afellay can play there, Walters can play behind a striker and Arnie would also be immense in such a role. If we were to sign one player, I'd want a third genuine wide option, one who would rather run down the outside with blistering pace instead of cutting inside all the time. That's exactly what we need and needed last night. We lacked genuine width last night against their ten men.
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Joselu
Jan 14, 2016 22:33:28 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 14, 2016 22:33:28 GMT
We don't need another no10. We don't need an alternative to bojan. We've got loads of options in that position and plenty of alternatives should we decide to set up differently. If bojan continued to struggle, got injured or departed I'm fairly certain that shaqiri would be a revelation in that position. Afellay can play there, Walters can play behind a striker and Arnie would also be immense in such a role. If we were to sign one player, I'd want a third genuine wide option, one who would rather run down the outside with blistering pace instead of cutting inside all the time. The other #10 we have can't buy a game. We could play Shaqiri there but there's no real alternative for the right wing. Joselu could do a job there but I'd prefer him up front. Afellay doesn't do enough to play there. Arnie is way better from the left. We need a back up winger more than anything. But Bojan needs some competition and a kick up the arse. If we got the 3rd winger it would be no problem moving shaqiri inside. As for Arnie, given his form and fitness right now, he could play effectively on the right, left, centre forward or in behind. He's a different specimen than we've seen in his first two seasons.
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Joselu
Jan 14, 2016 22:38:31 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2016 22:38:31 GMT
The other #10 we have can't buy a game. We could play Shaqiri there but there's no real alternative for the right wing. Joselu could do a job there but I'd prefer him up front. Afellay doesn't do enough to play there. Arnie is way better from the left. We need a back up winger more than anything. But Bojan needs some competition and a kick up the arse. If we got the 3rd winger it would be no problem moving shaqiri inside. As for Arnie, given his form and fitness right now, he could play effectively on the right, left, centre forward or in behind. He's a different specimen than we've seen in his first two seasons. It wouldn't. Big if though and depends very much on that players quality. If only he could finish!
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Joselu
Jan 14, 2016 22:40:30 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 14, 2016 22:40:30 GMT
If we got the 3rd winger it would be no problem moving shaqiri inside. As for Arnie, given his form and fitness right now, he could play effectively on the right, left, centre forward or in behind. He's a different specimen than we've seen in his first two seasons. It wouldn't. Big if though and depends very much on that players quality. If only he could finish! Mark Hughes only signs ace players so obviously the new winger would be yet another superb player :-)
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Joselu
Jan 14, 2016 22:42:44 GMT
Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 14, 2016 22:42:44 GMT
The issues last night attacking wise imo all surround Bojan. He just wasn't good enough and isn't doing enough to justify selection. And if Ireland has been sent to Coventry/injury then we need to sign another #10 to have another option. Personally thought Bojan tried his heart out to unlock them. I'm not critical of his performance last night. Kept trying the risky/creative stuff that I like, granted it didn't all come off, but at the very least Bojan was drawing players to him creating space. There was a back heel kind of breathtaking moment. He kept trying, dropping back to pick up the ball, drifting out to the right wing. I don't think it's necessarily a situation that we need to sign our way out of. If Bojan is deemed to need a rest then there are in house candidates for the no10*. Afellay, Adam, Joselu, even Arnautovic. In any event Hughes has shown he's prepared to play with the set up and as it stands the squad contains a pretty funky more traditional interchangeable 4-3-3 set up. In any absence of Bojan, I reckon' we've got enough to change it up and cope, be better than bringing more competition in imo. We could do with shedding potential 10's before buying more. -------------------Usual backline--------------------- ----------------------Whelan--------------------------- ---------------Cameron------ Afellay------------------------- --Shaqiri {Walters} Joselu {Diouf} Arnie {Odemwingie?}--
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Joselu
Jan 14, 2016 22:42:48 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2016 22:42:48 GMT
It wouldn't. Big if though and depends very much on that players quality. If only he could finish! Mark Hughes only signs ace players so obviously the new winger would be yet another superb player :-) Hhhhmmmm.
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Joselu
Jan 14, 2016 22:45:22 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2016 22:45:22 GMT
The issues last night attacking wise imo all surround Bojan. He just wasn't good enough and isn't doing enough to justify selection. And if Ireland has been sent to Coventry/injury then we need to sign another #10 to have another option. Personally thought Bojan tried his heart out to unlock them. I'm not critical of his performance last night. Kept trying the risky/creative stuff that I like, granted it didn't all come off, but at the very least Bojan was drawing players to him creating space. There was a back heel kind of breathtaking moment. He kept trying, dropping back to pick up the ball, drifting out to the right wing. I don't think it's necessarily a situation that we need to sign our way out of. If Bojan is deemed to need a rest then there are in house candidates for the no10*. Afellay, Adam, Joselu, even Arnautovic. In any event Hughes has shown he's prepared to play with the set up and as it stands the squad contains a pretty funky more traditional interchangeable 4-3-3 set up. In any absence of Bojan, I reckon' we've got enough to change it up and cope, be better than bringing more competition in imo. We could do with shedding potential 10's before buying more. -------------------Usual backline--------------------- ----------------------Whelan--------------------------- ---------------Cameron------ Afellay------------------------- --Shaqiri {Walters} Joselu {Diouf} Arnie {Odemwingie?}-- Oh he tried but he was nowhere near good enough. I don't think we need to (I'd play Ireland more) but that option doesn't seem to be one and hasn't since he was ace vs Spurs. That would work but that midfield 3 isn't creative unless Afellay suddenly switched it on. I love the way he plays but he keeps the ball moving well, he's not a creative #10 sort.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 14, 2016 23:14:03 GMT
Personally thought Bojan tried his heart out to unlock them. I'm not critical of his performance last night. Kept trying the risky/creative stuff that I like, granted it didn't all come off, but at the very least Bojan was drawing players to him creating space. There was a back heel kind of breathtaking moment. He kept trying, dropping back to pick up the ball, drifting out to the right wing. I don't think it's necessarily a situation that we need to sign our way out of. If Bojan is deemed to need a rest then there are in house candidates for the no10*. Afellay, Adam, Joselu, even Arnautovic. In any event Hughes has shown he's prepared to play with the set up and as it stands the squad contains a pretty funky more traditional interchangeable 4-3-3 set up. In any absence of Bojan, I reckon' we've got enough to change it up and cope, be better than bringing more competition in imo. We could do with shedding potential 10's before buying more. -------------------Usual backline--------------------- ----------------------Whelan--------------------------- ---------------Cameron------ Afellay------------------------- --Shaqiri {Walters} Joselu {Diouf} Arnie {Odemwingie?}-- Oh he tried but he was nowhere near good enough. I don't think we need to (I'd play Ireland more) but that option doesn't seem to be one and hasn't since he was ace vs Spurs. That would work but that midfield 3 isn't creative unless Afellay suddenly switched it on. I love the way he plays but he keeps the ball moving well, he's not a creative #10 sort. Not good enough to score no, nor deserve man of the match, but good enough to justify his minutes, and good enough to keep them occupied yes. In my assessment. Steven Ireland creates the same issue as Bojan in that if they can boss him then he's snuffed out. His cameo against Spurs came at a time when they'd took the foot off the gas {took Kane off, cruising 2-0 up.} Ireland has been mint in those circumstances, and in friendlies and against Wrexham in the Cup but I'd think that something was wrong with the Spheres if we relied on starting Ireland ahead of Bojan or Afellay. .Think there's room for different no10 candidates or set ups as I suggested before that option. Think you may be underestimating Afellay's creative powers. I'm still getting used to him as a footballer, loads of quality and on the whole intent on keeping possession, really impressed with his team work, he's slotted in wherever asked: both wings, 10, defensive mid, in a midfield 3. On each ocassion vying for motm. Don't know his assists figure, but he's attacking/creative enough imo, and certainly not selfish. Still get the sense we'll see much more from him, and he can deliver a free kick too? Still getting to fully appreciate his game, the shrugged shoulder run may be deceptive.
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Joselu
Jan 14, 2016 23:28:35 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2016 23:28:35 GMT
Oh he tried but he was nowhere near good enough. I don't think we need to (I'd play Ireland more) but that option doesn't seem to be one and hasn't since he was ace vs Spurs. That would work but that midfield 3 isn't creative unless Afellay suddenly switched it on. I love the way he plays but he keeps the ball moving well, he's not a creative #10 sort. Not good enough to score no, nor deserve man of the match, but good enough to justify his minutes, and good enough to keep them occupied yes. In my assessment. Steven Ireland creates the same issue as Bojan in that if they can boss him then he's snuffed out. His cameo against Spurs came at a time when they'd took the foot off the gas {took Kane off, cruising 2-0 up.} Ireland has been mint in those circumstances, and in friendlies and against Wrexham in the Cup but I'd think that something was wrong with the Spheres if we relied on starting Ireland ahead of Bojan or Afellay. .Think there's room for different no10 candidates or set ups as I suggested before that option. Think you may be underestimating Afellay's creative powers. I'm still getting used to him as a footballer, loads of quality and on the whole intent on keeping possession, really impressed with his team work, he's slotted in wherever asked: both wings, 10, defensive mid, in a midfield 3. On each ocassion vying for motm. Don't know his assists figure, but he's attacking/creative enough imo, and certainly not selfish. Still get the sense we'll see much more from him, and he can deliver a free kick too? Still getting to fully appreciate his game, the shrugged shoulder run may be deceptive. I don't think he was. He does but we need another genuine busy option in there and he's about the only one. I don't like Afellay there from when he's played there or certainly further forward for us this season. I might be but he hasn't shown them for us and that's what I'm basing it on even when playing much further forward. I thought he was shit on the wing. And too pedestrian further forward. He's ideal for where he was last night, perfect in fact. His set piece delivery was excellent, different to a killer through ball etc. He hasn't shown that.
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Joselu
Jan 15, 2016 0:08:05 GMT
Post by fca47 on Jan 15, 2016 0:08:05 GMT
Will be interesting to see how he gets on against Herr Mertesacker, after his comments that he was basically a waste of money.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 15, 2016 0:11:40 GMT
This lad is a lovely footballer. Great touch, vision and can sniff out a chance. The more games he gets the more he will adapt to the rough house nature of the PL (compared to other nancy boy leagues) and will get better and better.
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