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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 3, 2016 18:18:21 GMT
The release clause, if there is one, is £10m, if a bidding war starts it will obviously go higher There wouldn't be one if there is a clause would there? We'd have to say yes to any 10mil bid.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 18:24:20 GMT
Post by oslostokie1 on Jan 3, 2016 18:24:20 GMT
Shaqiri, Bojan and Anutovic I get the feeling they all see Stoke as a stepping stone. Do you lot really think they would have dreamed of playing for Stoke and always finishing outside of the top 6? So long as we make profit and replace it them with players of equivalent quality then I don't see a problem. I am sure they all see Stoke as a stepping stone. But that is fine as long as we develop as a club also and have a proactive transfer team and improving academy.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 18:33:46 GMT
Post by Northy on Jan 3, 2016 18:33:46 GMT
The release clause, if there is one, is £10m, if a bidding war starts it will obviously go higher There wouldn't be one if there is a clause would there? We'd have to say yes to any 10mil bid. Not if 3 clubs wanted him, they would offer more than the other.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 18:33:49 GMT
Post by turtlefox on Jan 3, 2016 18:33:49 GMT
Does nobody have any faith that Bojan and Arnie might actually like playing for Stoke. Where there is not the same pressure on them, where the fans love them and where they are still paid a great wage. After all they have both been in a situation of a bigger club surrounding and have both found it difficult for what ever reason. It may just be a bit too early for either of them to leave and maybe, just maybe ,they know this.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 3, 2016 18:41:55 GMT
There wouldn't be one if there is a clause would there? We'd have to say yes to any 10mil bid. Not if 3 clubs wanted him, they would offer more than the other. Why if we had to accept any at 10mil, the war would be wages.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 3, 2016 18:49:57 GMT
There wouldn't be one if there is a clause would there? We'd have to say yes to any 10mil bid. Not if 3 clubs wanted him, they would offer more than the other. No they would offer us the £10 mil - the buy out clause and then, any further negotiation would be with the player. Once the buy out clause has been activated, no club is going to offer us any more than that figure because there is absolutely no reason for them to do so. Club X might offer Bojan £80k a week, Club Y £90k a week and Club Z might offer him a £100k a week. But clubs X,Y and Z wouldn't ever offer Stoke anymore than the buy out clause because there is absolutely no reason on their part to do so. Once the buy out clause had been activated the player is free to go to whoever he chooses.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 18:54:32 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 3, 2016 18:54:32 GMT
This may or may not be true but for me its a load of bollocks.
Bojan has done some good stuff in patches but he's nowhere near the levels he was setting pre-injury. He's not even close to that level yet.
When he reaches that level, consistently, then we might need to worry. He won't be going anywhere until the summer at the earliest.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 18:58:43 GMT
Post by sean on Jan 3, 2016 18:58:43 GMT
He may or not have a buy out clause in his contract but if you think back to Luis Suarez Arsenal activated his and Liverpool still refused to sell! SuarezNo reason PC could not do likewise assuming the clause exists.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 19:01:25 GMT
Post by Squeekster on Jan 3, 2016 19:01:25 GMT
Not if 3 clubs wanted him, they would offer more than the other. No they would offer us the £10 mil - the buy out clause and then, any further negotiation would be with the player. Once the buy out clause has been activated, no club is going to offer us any more than that figure because there is absolutely no reason for them to do so. Club X might offer Bojan £80k a week, Club Y £90k a week and Club Z might offer him a £100k a week. But clubs X,Y and Z wouldn't ever offer Stoke anymore than the buy out clause because there is absolutely no reason on their part to do so. Once the buy out clause had been activated the player is free to go to whoever he chooses. Yes but one club could say fook all that just offer £11mill then we'd accept that then hopefully it then escalates into a bidding war.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 19:11:11 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 3, 2016 19:11:11 GMT
No they would offer us the £10 mil - the buy out clause and then, any further negotiation would be with the player. Once the buy out clause has been activated, no club is going to offer us any more than that figure because there is absolutely no reason for them to do so. Club X might offer Bojan £80k a week, Club Y £90k a week and Club Z might offer him a £100k a week. But clubs X,Y and Z wouldn't ever offer Stoke anymore than the buy out clause because there is absolutely no reason on their part to do so. Once the buy out clause had been activated the player is free to go to whoever he chooses. Yes but one club could say fook all that just offer £11mill then we'd accept that then hopefully it then escalates into a bidding war. No they wouldn't, there can't be a bidding war if there's a buy out clause. Once the buy out clause has been activated, the player in question essentially becomes a free agent. The only bidding that will take place, is between potential suitors and the player over wages. The selling club is completely out of the equation once the buy out clause has been activated. They won't EVER receive a penny more, there is absolutely no reason why they would do so.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 3, 2016 19:11:43 GMT
No they would offer us the £10 mil - the buy out clause and then, any further negotiation would be with the player. Once the buy out clause has been activated, no club is going to offer us any more than that figure because there is absolutely no reason for them to do so. Club X might offer Bojan £80k a week, Club Y £90k a week and Club Z might offer him a £100k a week. But clubs X,Y and Z wouldn't ever offer Stoke anymore than the buy out clause because there is absolutely no reason on their part to do so. Once the buy out clause had been activated the player is free to go to whoever he chooses. Yes but one club could say fook all that just offer £11mill then we'd accept that then hopefully it then escalates into a bidding war. But they wouldn't because we'd still have to accept the other bid.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 19:16:21 GMT
Post by harryburrows on Jan 3, 2016 19:16:21 GMT
In that case we need to be pro active . I'm sure if we have to lose the little maestro a swap deal for another player with a Spanish club may suit all concerned . I for one would hate to see him play for another premier league club
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 19:20:02 GMT
Post by Squeekster on Jan 3, 2016 19:20:02 GMT
Yes but one club could say fook all that just offer £11mill then we'd accept that then hopefully it then escalates into a bidding war. But they wouldn't because we'd still have to accept the other bid. If a team offered the 10 buy out we'd have to accept but then if another team came and offered 11 we'd say to the team that offered 10 sorry someone has now offered more and we are accepting that,what's stopping us from doing that?
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 19:24:21 GMT
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Post by Bowyer83 on Jan 3, 2016 19:24:21 GMT
I can't see Bojan leaving this window. I think Arnie and Bojan will wait and see how we progress this season in the league and cup.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 19:26:32 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 3, 2016 19:26:32 GMT
But they wouldn't because we'd still have to accept the other bid. If a team offered the 10 buy out we'd have to accept but then if another team came and offered 11 we'd say to the team that offered 10 sorry someone has now offered more and we are accepting that,what's stopping us from doing that? Because the player is free to leave once the ORIGINAL buy out clause has been offered. That's the whole POINT of there being a buy out clause in a player's contract. Once the ten million has been offered, there is no need for any other club to offer any more, if six clubs each offer £10 million then we are contractually obliged to sell the player for THAT amount. If another club offers £11 million or a £100 million, it is completely irrelevant, WE HAVE TO SELL THE PLAYER FOR TEN MILLION.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 19:33:30 GMT
Post by Squeekster on Jan 3, 2016 19:33:30 GMT
If a team offered the 10 buy out we'd have to accept but then if another team came and offered 11 we'd say to the team that offered 10 sorry someone has now offered more and we are accepting that,what's stopping us from doing that? Because the player is free to leave once the ORIGINAL buy out clause has been offered. That's the whole POINT of there being a buy out clause in a player's contract. Once the ten million has been offered, there is no need for any other club to offer any more, if six clubs each offer £10 million then we are contractually obliged to sell the player for THAT amount. If another club offers £11 million or a £100 million, it is completely irrelevant, WE HAVE TO SELL THE PLAYER FOR TEN MILLION. So what if every club matched his demands like for like and kept on going? Surly a release clause is the minimum we have to accept and not the maximum?
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Post by harryburrows on Jan 3, 2016 19:37:15 GMT
Because the player is free to leave once the ORIGINAL buy out clause has been offered. That's the whole POINT of there being a buy out clause in a player's contract. Once the ten million has been offered, there is no need for any other club to offer any more, if six clubs each offer £10 million then we are contractually obliged to sell the player for THAT amount. If another club offers £11 million or a £100 million, it is completely irrelevant, WE HAVE TO SELL THE PLAYER FOR TEN MILLION. So what if every club matched his demands like for like and kept on going? Surly a release clause is the minimum we have to accept and not the maximum? You're taking the piss now aren't you
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 19:44:40 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 3, 2016 19:44:40 GMT
But they wouldn't because we'd still have to accept the other bid. If a team offered the 10 buy out we'd have to accept but then if another team came and offered 11 we'd say to the team that offered 10 sorry someone has now offered more and we are accepting that,what's stopping us from doing that? The release clause.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 19:45:32 GMT
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Post by scanjet on Jan 3, 2016 19:45:32 GMT
I hope the £10mill release clause is 10m upfront,,if that's the case a lot if potential bidders would lose interest or offer more on a payment plan fingers x
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 19:48:07 GMT
Post by Squeekster on Jan 3, 2016 19:48:07 GMT
Okay then if a club offered £20mill but a club offered £10mill we'd have to accept the £10mill?
No way on this planet.
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Post by miggo on Jan 3, 2016 19:51:53 GMT
FFS How the hell do people not get min fee release?
If it's £10m then all a club has to do is bid £10m and it's automatically accepted and is then the players choice if he wants to negotiate a contract with them. Why on earth would a club bid more than the release clause ? It guarantees nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 19:57:37 GMT
I understood it to mean that if someone offers the 10 we can't stand in the way of the player talking to the club. He is still under contract to us but that club can at least start negotiations and offer him a deal.
If another club tries to hijack the deal, they could offer 12 and improved terms for the player to sway it in their favour. He is still our player to sell to whom we like for whatever price we can hold out for. 10 million just activates the 'for sale' sign.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 19:59:07 GMT
Post by Squeekster on Jan 3, 2016 19:59:07 GMT
FFS How the hell do people not get min fee release? If it's £10m then all a club has to do is bid £10m and it's automatically accepted and is then the players choice if he wants to negotiate a contract with them. Why on earth would a club bid more than the release clause ? It guarantees nothing. They have to listen and of course if no one else bids then so be it but surly that's just the minimum to start negotiations?
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 20:00:17 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 3, 2016 20:00:17 GMT
Okay then if a club offered £20mill but a club offered £10mill we'd have to accept the £10mill? No way on this planet. Yes if £10 mil was the buy out clause, that's how buy out clauses work.
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Post by miggo on Jan 3, 2016 20:01:14 GMT
I understood it to mean that if someone offers the 10 we can't stand in the way of the player talking to the club. He is still under contract to us but that club can at least start negotiations and offer him a deal. If another club tries to hijack the deal, they could offer 12 and improved terms for the player to sway it in their favour. He is still our player to sell to whom we like for whatever price we can hold out for. 10 million just activates the 'for sale' sign. No. 300 clubs could all offer 10m each and he could talk to each and everyone of them and choose the best deal. Offering more than the release fee does nothing at all however we could choose to accept said bid and hope he chose that club for a bigger fee but why would a club offer more when 10 would be accepted.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 3, 2016 20:02:07 GMT
If a team offered the 10 buy out we'd have to accept but then if another team came and offered 11 we'd say to the team that offered 10 sorry someone has now offered more and we are accepting that,what's stopping us from doing that? The release clause.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 20:06:13 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 3, 2016 20:06:13 GMT
I understood it to mean that if someone offers the 10 we can't stand in the way of the player talking to the club. He is still under contract to us but that club can at least start negotiations and offer him a deal. If another club tries to hijack the deal, they could offer 12 and improved terms for the player to sway it in their favour. He is still our player to sell to whom we like for whatever price we can hold out for. 10 million just activates the 'for sale' sign. No. Once the buy out clause had been activated the player can leave, we no longer hold any cards. If the buy out clause was £10 million and Real Madrid offered us £10 million but Bournemouth offered us £50 million. We would have to sell Bojan to Real Madrid for £10 million if he wanted to join them.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 20:08:25 GMT
Post by Squeekster on Jan 3, 2016 20:08:25 GMT
Okay then if a club offered £20mill but a club offered £10mill we'd have to accept the £10mill? No way on this planet. Yes if £10 mil was the buy out clause, that's how buy out clauses work. Paul that's just got to be the minimum not the maximum other wise it's financial suicide?
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Post by Squeekster on Jan 3, 2016 20:10:26 GMT
remind me not to go into business with you two.
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Post by miggo on Jan 3, 2016 20:11:02 GMT
Yes if £10 mil was the buy out clause, that's how buy out clauses work. Paul that's just got to be the minimum not the maximum other wise it's financial suicide? Wow
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