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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 11:41:39 GMT
Post by vahl on Jan 3, 2016 11:41:39 GMT
Unfortunately for us, this is the kind of club we are. It's actually a good thing really. Buy small, sell big - this business model was put to us a season or 2 ago, wasn't it? If we manage to hang on to a few of these players then it's even better but, let's be honest, regardless of how attached we get as fans, the players just want to be successful in the game and will always move around to achieve that. Wollscheid will be catching the eye back home, Arnie is already in peoples eyes, Shaqiri is a world-wide household name and speaks for himself, Affellay is coming up towards his 30's and may want another crack at the big time - etc etc etc. That being said, none of our big players will leave until the summer at least, IMO. I think the £10m clause for Bojan is for Barcelona only as well - not everyone. You know I thought that too. Barca has a vested interest in the sale and why would they hamstring profits by allowing others to bid? Who knows.. I seemed to recall it being Barcelona's request. A quick google search from when Bojan signed for Stoke does have various articles saying they put such a clause in as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 11:45:20 GMT
Here comes the test Mr Scholes Agents for Butland , Shaq . Arnie watching with intent there is only one way and that's a new contract for Bojan with a £30 million release In much the way Nzonzi was locked down by Sevilla . We have lost two big players in the last window our response now will shape the future one way or the other will we walk the talk or not . Personally I hope we sign Bojan , Arnie on new contracts if we don't the this window or next the inevitable will happen , buy shelvey to replace Nzonzi , Find a forward to cover for the clearly damaged Diouf and let Sidwell , Ireland , odemwinge go Clearly damaged Diouf?
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 11:51:23 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 3, 2016 11:51:23 GMT
Onlooker
It's not a criticism the club are for whatever reason Clearly protecting him and rightly so but it's unrealistic If that the case to expect him to return to the player he can be immediately .
I throughly applaud the clubs stance we have shown before a fantastic sense of decency Delap , Wilkinson as examples we just need to give Diouf the time to recover .
For one I wish him the absolute best and a full recovery top bloke and very underated player.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 3, 2016 11:57:15 GMT
Arnie to PSG? orate, well they shelled out £30+ on Lucas Moura and he's done the square root of fuck all sooooooo £60m please?
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 11:57:16 GMT
Post by toppercorner on Jan 3, 2016 11:57:16 GMT
There is only one way for the club to handle this in a satisfactory manor for everyone.
they need to publicly dismiss interest from any other team, and get Bojan in the office, and offer him an improved contract (including all sell on fees etc)
The same goes for Arnie. We can't afford to be seen as a selling club, especially when there is so much positive press around. It would undermine what we want to achieve, and put off prospective players from joining us.
With the upcoming new TV deal, even giving them both an extra 30k a week each isn't going to do any damage at all to the accounts, and will keep the players, and the fans happy.
The only worry is that Stoke have always criminally undersold their players. Someone else mentioned about Southampton prices, and its true, their average players go for 20-25m each, so why can't ours if it came down to it?
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 12:05:35 GMT
Post by vahl on Jan 3, 2016 12:05:35 GMT
There is only one way for the club to handle this in a satisfactory manor for everyone. they need to publicly dismiss interest from any other team, and get Bojan in the office, and offer him an improved contract (including all sell on fees etc) The same goes for Arnie. We can't afford to be seen as a selling club, especially when there is so much positive press around. It would undermine what we want to achieve, and put off prospective players from joining us. With the upcoming new TV deal, even giving them both an extra 30k a week each isn't going to do any damage at all to the accounts, and will keep the players, and the fans happy. The only worry is that Stoke have always criminally undersold their players. Someone else mentioned about Southampton prices, and its true, their average players go for 20-25m each, so why can't ours if it came down to it? Not trying to be a tit or owt mate but, a few things :- If you're not playing Champions League nogger, you're a selling club. Also, we are not about to go and break everything we've worked towards by handing out unrealistic high wages in the hope these players show us some loyalty. We should always stick to our guns over contracts or it's a long, hard way back down to where we were. Southampton have mostly sold on English players and we all know the price they go for. Shawcross & Butland are going no where, yet.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 12:12:38 GMT
Post by toppercorner on Jan 3, 2016 12:12:38 GMT
There is only one way for the club to handle this in a satisfactory manor for everyone. they need to publicly dismiss interest from any other team, and get Bojan in the office, and offer him an improved contract (including all sell on fees etc) The same goes for Arnie. We can't afford to be seen as a selling club, especially when there is so much positive press around. It would undermine what we want to achieve, and put off prospective players from joining us. With the upcoming new TV deal, even giving them both an extra 30k a week each isn't going to do any damage at all to the accounts, and will keep the players, and the fans happy. The only worry is that Stoke have always criminally undersold their players. Someone else mentioned about Southampton prices, and its true, their average players go for 20-25m each, so why can't ours if it came down to it? Not trying to be a tit or owt mate but, a few things :- If you're not playing Champions League nogger, you're a selling club. Also, we are not about to go and break everything we've worked towards by handing out unrealistic high wages in the hope these players show us some loyalty. We should always stick to our guns over contracts or it's a long, hard way back down to where we were. Southampton have mostly sold on English players and we all know the price they go for. Shawcross & Butland are going no where, yet. i fully understand players of this calibre want to play in the best competitions, however, its the clubs 'weak' stance that worries me. there is never any immediate assurance from them that things will be sorted. I also understand that handing out stupid contracts will only lead to a portsmouth/leeds situation, but in our case, they are the crown jewels of the team, and we have a real chance of winning silverware with them. However the enormous amount of money about to be injected into the club as of next season means that we can keep such fantastic players and hopefully move forward even more we've looked after them (especially well in Bojan's case by allowing him back to Barcelona for his injury recouperation) and now its time for the players to show their thanks.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 12:22:40 GMT
Post by liamo on Jan 3, 2016 12:22:40 GMT
The gap between teams like Stoke and lower upper tier teams is closing rapidly tbf, players like Bojan, Arnie and Shaq need to feel special and a big part of something
Say someone like Man U bids 10m for Bojan but they tell him he'll have to be a squad player, do you think he'd go? I'm really not sure, he's done his time at big high pressure clubs and i don't think he's ready himself to go back there quite yet
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Post by heavysoul on Jan 3, 2016 12:30:47 GMT
Bojan has played for numerous top clubs in Europe and things have never worked out. He came here for stability and in my opinion he is settled and playing possibly the best football of his life. If he moves he runs the risk of playing in a big clubs rotation system if he is injured again would he be given the chance and time to make a comeback? Here Bojan can play every week and possibly be called back to the national team.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 12:41:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 12:41:36 GMT
He would be a big loss but it would mean we could play shaq in his favourite position. Where I actually believe he would be devastating. And we could bring in a winger. However I can't see him leaving
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 13:40:36 GMT
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Post by rocket888888 on Jan 3, 2016 13:40:36 GMT
There is only one way for the club to handle this in a satisfactory manor for everyone. they need to publicly dismiss interest from any other team, and get Bojan in the office, and offer him an improved contract (including all sell on fees etc) The same goes for Arnie. We can't afford to be seen as a selling club, especially when there is so much positive press around. It would undermine what we want to achieve, and put off prospective players from joining us. With the upcoming new TV deal, even giving them both an extra 30k a week each isn't going to do any damage at all to the accounts, and will keep the players, and the fans happy. The only worry is that Stoke have always criminally undersold their players. Someone else mentioned about Southampton prices, and its true, their average players go for 20-25m each, so why can't ours if it came down to it? Not convinced being seen as a selling club is bad for getting players like Bojan and arnie - they come here to restart their careers and the prospect of heading back to the champions league. They don't come here thinking they will spend their entire career here...
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 13:44:10 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 3, 2016 13:44:10 GMT
Don't see Bojan activating the clause at this stage and no one else can without his agreement. As written above it may well make sense to negotiate a new contract as we now have an entirely different player to the one that came to us.
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Post by Davef on Jan 3, 2016 13:47:25 GMT
Sparky will be laughing this off at his Liverpool press conference.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 13:49:21 GMT
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Post by basingstokie on Jan 3, 2016 13:49:21 GMT
Surely the £10M is only relevant if he wants to go. As for multiple bids forcing the £10M up - I can't see that. If the alleged clause is correct presumably as and when there will be a handful of £10M bids we have to accept and Bojan can then choose where he'd rather go Really? You reckon that if (as an extreme example) Real Madrid, Arsenal, Bayern Munich and PSG all wanted him as a key member of their squads, they'd all bid £10 million and leave it entirely up to him? They would bid against each other up to figures they valued him at and the winner would be invited to discuss terms with him - if they failed then the next highest bidder would discuss terms and so on. If the reserve price was £30 million your scenario would probably be correct but at £10 million no way. It is a bit like a conventional auction such as they have around the country every week. Many of the articles of any value have a reserve price - that doesn't mean that you are guaranteed to get the article if you bid the reserve price. I've seen articles which have been unsold as they failed to meet the reserve and other articles which have sold for many times the reserve price. Watch "flog it" on daytime TV to find out more! You might (& I hope you are) but my interpretation was that £10M was the price we had to accept. Whether Bojan then wants to move is up to him, Sunderland could bid £10M and he could refuse the move, but he might not turn down PSG. I didn't think there was any advantage to other clubs in bidding more than £10M as we are contractually bound to accept offers above that and leave the decision up to the boy wonder
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 14:20:53 GMT
Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 3, 2016 14:20:53 GMT
Really? You reckon that if (as an extreme example) Real Madrid, Arsenal, Bayern Munich and PSG all wanted him as a key member of their squads, they'd all bid £10 million and leave it entirely up to him? They would bid against each other up to figures they valued him at and the winner would be invited to discuss terms with him - if they failed then the next highest bidder would discuss terms and so on. If the reserve price was £30 million your scenario would probably be correct but at £10 million no way. It is a bit like a conventional auction such as they have around the country every week. Many of the articles of any value have a reserve price - that doesn't mean that you are guaranteed to get the article if you bid the reserve price. I've seen articles which have been unsold as they failed to meet the reserve and other articles which have sold for many times the reserve price. Watch "flog it" on daytime TV to find out more! You might (& I hope you are) but my interpretation was that £10M was the price we had to accept. Whether Bojan then wants to move is up to him, Sunderland could bid £10M and he could refuse the move, but he might not turn down PSG. I didn't think there was any advantage to other clubs in bidding more than £10M as we are contractually bound to accept offers above that and leave the decision up to the boy wonder If there is a release clause then we ARE bound to accept bids of that figure - providing that there are no bids above that figure from clubs which appeal to the player. If the release clause is a realistic value then the chances are that there won't be bids above that figure. But if the release clause represents a bargain then the chances are that there will be bids above that figure. In all cases, of course, it IS up to the player to decide which club he wishes to sign for and if the bid is at or above the level of the release clause then we have to let him go. I recall players being sold for above their release clause in the past - and, before you ask, I can't recall names. My feeling is that the release clause (if there IS one and if it IS £10 million) given the quality and potential Bojan is displaying, is pitched low enough that bids would exceed it.
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Post by petemac on Jan 3, 2016 14:26:40 GMT
It just seems a bit too soon for both Arnie & Bojan to move up, it's not like they are both looking for that one last payout. I believe MH will be relaying the same.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 15:08:21 GMT
Post by 1raytuper on Jan 3, 2016 15:08:21 GMT
Mirror is full of shit.... i hope I'd like to think that our club would be more astute than that, i mean someone with Bojan's potential.. there was always a high probability that he would find his feet and start recovering his form, we wouldn't be so daft as to only put only a £10m release clause would we? Bog brushes like Fellaini get sold for £28m and we could lose Bojan for 10 we didnt put the 10 mill clause in,bojan would have asked for it,he obviously sees us as a stepping stone and didnt want to give stoke the chance to price him out of a decent move ffs guys,some of you jump at the chance to moan about how our club is run,the release clause would have been down to bojans agent.if we wanted the player then we had to agree,should we have looked elsewhere?
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 15:13:10 GMT
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Jan 3, 2016 15:13:10 GMT
You might (& I hope you are) but my interpretation was that £10M was the price we had to accept. Whether Bojan then wants to move is up to him, Sunderland could bid £10M and he could refuse the move, but he might not turn down PSG. I didn't think there was any advantage to other clubs in bidding more than £10M as we are contractually bound to accept offers above that and leave the decision up to the boy wonder If there is a release clause then we ARE bound to accept bids of that figure - providing that there are no bids above that figure from clubs which appeal to the player. If the release clause is a realistic value then the chances are that there won't be bids above that figure. But if the release clause represents a bargain then the chances are that there will be bids above that figure. In all cases, of course, it IS up to the player to decide which club he wishes to sign for and if the bid is at or above the level of the release clause then we have to let him go. I recall players being sold for above their release clause in the past - and, before you ask, I can't recall names. My feeling is that the release clause (if there IS one and if it IS £10 million) given the quality and potential Bojan is displaying, is pitched low enough that bids would exceed it. There would be ZERO bids above 10m as there would be absolutely no need for it. It is not to the highest bidder over 10m it is for anyone who offers 10m. If there is a competition for his signature it will be in the money they offer him personally not to Stoke.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 16:06:56 GMT
Post by mozzer on Jan 3, 2016 16:06:56 GMT
If there is a release clause then we ARE bound to accept bids of that figure - providing that there are no bids above that figure from clubs which appeal to the player. If the release clause is a realistic value then the chances are that there won't be bids above that figure. But if the release clause represents a bargain then the chances are that there will be bids above that figure. In all cases, of course, it IS up to the player to decide which club he wishes to sign for and if the bid is at or above the level of the release clause then we have to let him go. I recall players being sold for above their release clause in the past - and, before you ask, I can't recall names. My feeling is that the release clause (if there IS one and if it IS £10 million) given the quality and potential Bojan is displaying, is pitched low enough that bids would exceed it. There would be ZERO bids above 10m as there would be absolutely no need for it. It is not to the highest bidder over 10m it is for anyone who offers 10m. If there is a competition for his signature it will be in the money they offer him personally not to Stoke. You beat me to it, I was just going to post exactly the same thing.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 16:13:48 GMT
Post by kustokie on Jan 3, 2016 16:13:48 GMT
If there is a release clause then we ARE bound to accept bids of that figure - providing that there are no bids above that figure from clubs which appeal to the player. If the release clause is a realistic value then the chances are that there won't be bids above that figure. But if the release clause represents a bargain then the chances are that there will be bids above that figure. In all cases, of course, it IS up to the player to decide which club he wishes to sign for and if the bid is at or above the level of the release clause then we have to let him go. I recall players being sold for above their release clause in the past - and, before you ask, I can't recall names. My feeling is that the release clause (if there IS one and if it IS £10 million) given the quality and potential Bojan is displaying, is pitched low enough that bids would exceed it. There would be ZERO bids above 10m as there would be absolutely no need for it. It is not to the highest bidder over 10m it is for anyone who offers 10m. If there is a competition for his signature it will be in the money they offer him personally not to Stoke. This makes the most sense to me, because there's no incentive for any team to bid more than 10 million if the decision is solely up to Bojan - unless a) the rumors are incorrect and b) there are other clauses in the contract we don't know about.
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Jan 3, 2016 16:29:08 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 3, 2016 16:29:08 GMT
Let's be absolutely clear if Bojan , Nzonzi and Begovich are allowed to leave for a total of £25m the three then something is very very seriously wrong with our commercial strategy when Southampton. Are allegedly asking over £30m for one player with no greater pedigree who isn't English and has no better record .
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 16:31:42 GMT
Post by nott1 on Jan 3, 2016 16:31:42 GMT
We have no need to sell anybody, the tv money sees to that!
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Post by mozzer on Jan 3, 2016 16:34:49 GMT
It would not surprise me in the slightest that this clause does indeed exist and if the little magician keeps on playing the way he is the vultures will be circling every time the transfer window opens.........but lets balance things out
The lad has been born and bred the Barcelona way, he has played alongside some of the biggest names on the planet and will not be dazzled by the headlights of anything other than a massive team where he will be guaranteed the love and game time he gets at Stoke. He is still recovering from his injury, bodily he may be functioning OK but it will take time mentally for him to recover from what he has gone through and he knows where he is better off until he is 100% fit and confident so hopefully will not be rushing off anywhere soon. He will want to obviously move for money but also champions league football success and in all honesty who can guarantee him that for next years competition at this point of the season. He has been bought up in the sun in a cosmopolitan city.....by fuck its grim living up north under this grey blanket 9 months of the year so would he stay in the UK and if not how many of the spanish sunshine teams like Valencia etc could afford him even at a give away price plus add-ons. Bojan is happy where he is, he appreciates the love, he enjoys his role, he speaks highly of the management and team mates, he has just started english language lessons, he is in no rush to move anywhere soon.
It will happen, we have to face facts, we may not be a selling club but until we can find the next level of success we will be at the players mercy who quite rightly want personal success alongside wealth, Stoke could offer him 20K a week above anyone else but at the end of the day if he wants CL football there is fuck all we can do, I have everything crossed and I am praying like a rambling monk that he goes nowhere but if he does leave........ he will go with my best wishes and thanks, he has been the best ever player that I have seen in my life to wear the Red and White stripes and even as a Stoke die hard, I am man enough to admit that his skill and craft deserve a higher stage.....I just wish it was Stoke that could give it to him.
I rest assured that if the little magician does leave MH will have something up his sleeve to come in to the team that will be as good a player as our mercurial talent from Catalonia, money will be awash in this league next year and some of the talents of Europe will want a slice by using Stoke as a stepping stone to achieve the wealth and the CL football that they crave.
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Post by Davef on Jan 3, 2016 16:38:00 GMT
Let's be absolutely clear if Bojan , Nzonzi and Begovich are allowed to leave for a total of £25m the three then something is very very seriously wrong with our commercial strategy when Southampton. Are allegedly asking over £30m for one player with no greater pedigree who isn't English and has no better record . Yes, what a joke from a team that has brought in Arnautovic, Bojan, Afellay and Shaqiri for £15.5m.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 16:47:31 GMT
Post by kustokie on Jan 3, 2016 16:47:31 GMT
Let's be absolutely clear if Bojan , Nzonzi and Begovich are allowed to leave for a total of £25m the three then something is very very seriously wrong with our commercial strategy when Southampton. Are allegedly asking over £30m for one player with no greater pedigree who isn't English and has no better record . Yes, what a joke from a team that has brought in Arnautovic, Bojan, Afellay and Shaqiri for £15.5m. That's my opinion too (see above). Don't forget Joselu, Van Ginkel, Johnson. Definitely an upgrade at the expense of N'zonzi and, especially Begovic because we had Butland. People need to look at the big picture.
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Jan 3, 2016 17:19:21 GMT
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Post by fentonian on Jan 3, 2016 17:19:21 GMT
Shaqiri, Bojan and Anutovic I get the feeling they all see Stoke as a stepping stone. Do you lot really think they would have dreamed of playing for Stoke and always finishing outside of the top 6? So long as we make profit and replace it them with players of equivalent quality then I don't see a problem.
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Jan 3, 2016 18:10:19 GMT
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Post by basingstokie on Jan 3, 2016 18:10:19 GMT
You might (& I hope you are) but my interpretation was that £10M was the price we had to accept. Whether Bojan then wants to move is up to him, Sunderland could bid £10M and he could refuse the move, but he might not turn down PSG. I didn't think there was any advantage to other clubs in bidding more than £10M as we are contractually bound to accept offers above that and leave the decision up to the boy wonder If there is a release clause then we ARE bound to accept bids of that figure - providing that there are no bids above that figure from clubs which appeal to the player. If the release clause is a realistic value then the chances are that there won't be bids above that figure. But if the release clause represents a bargain then the chances are that there will be bids above that figure. In all cases, of course, it IS up to the player to decide which club he wishes to sign for and if the bid is at or above the level of the release clause then we have to let him go. I recall players being sold for above their release clause in the past - and, before you ask, I can't recall names. My feeling is that the release clause (if there IS one and if it IS £10 million) given the quality and potential Bojan is displaying, is pitched low enough that bids would exceed it. That makes sense. But in this scenario what happens, There are 2 bidders Sunderland bid £20M and Stoke accept it but Bojan has no interest in going there (even less when he actually does visit ;-)) PSG bid 10M before Bojan formally rejects Sunderland - he visits PSG agrees terms and is keen to make the move. At some point during the PSG negotiations he formally rejects Sunderland Do we have to sell to the French for 10M? In this scenario there is no point anyone bidding over 10M because Bojan will sign for his preferred team and reject all other offers, whether they offer us 10 or 30m
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Jan 3, 2016 18:12:16 GMT
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Post by rawli on Jan 3, 2016 18:12:16 GMT
If there is a release clause then we ARE bound to accept bids of that figure - providing that there are no bids above that figure from clubs which appeal to the player. If the release clause is a realistic value then the chances are that there won't be bids above that figure. But if the release clause represents a bargain then the chances are that there will be bids above that figure. In all cases, of course, it IS up to the player to decide which club he wishes to sign for and if the bid is at or above the level of the release clause then we have to let him go. I recall players being sold for above their release clause in the past - and, before you ask, I can't recall names. My feeling is that the release clause (if there IS one and if it IS £10 million) given the quality and potential Bojan is displaying, is pitched low enough that bids would exceed it. That makes sense. But in this scenario what happens, There are 2 bidders Sunderland bid £20M and Stoke accept it but Bojan has no interest in going there (even less when he actually does visit ;-)) PSG bid 10M before Bojan formally rejects Sunderland - he visits PSG agrees terms and is keen to make the move. At some point during the PSG negotiations he formally rejects Sunderland Do we have to sell to the French for 10M? Why would anyone bid 20 million?
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Jan 3, 2016 18:13:58 GMT
Post by Gob Bluth on Jan 3, 2016 18:13:58 GMT
Rory Smith said in The Times podcast that Stoke are fantastic as positioning themselves as a stepping stone club, implying that we tell players we will sell them to English clubs higher than ourselves in the league. So not just saying we're a stepping stone but a stepping stone for players trying to break into the Premier League. He also said he'd be surprised if Bojan was still here in the summer which makes sense if the buyout clause is only 10m. The big problem we have is we can't look to aggressively hold onto players because it will restrict our ability to sign similar targets. I just hope when we sell him we can but a few clauses in ourselves to protect ourselves for any eventuality.
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Jan 3, 2016 18:15:03 GMT
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Post by basingstokie on Jan 3, 2016 18:15:03 GMT
That makes sense. But in this scenario what happens, There are 2 bidders Sunderland bid £20M and Stoke accept it but Bojan has no interest in going there (even less when he actually does visit ;-)) PSG bid 10M before Bojan formally rejects Sunderland - he visits PSG agrees terms and is keen to make the move. At some point during the PSG negotiations he formally rejects Sunderland Do we have to sell to the French for 10M? Why would anyone bid 20 million? That's my point - if a bidding war develops and we only have to accept the highest bid (& allow Bojan to talk to them) then the 10M is largely irrelevant because we simply notify the World that Bojan is going, but only to the highest bidder
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