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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 3:42:04 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2016 3:42:04 GMT
We gave him a FIVE year deal, why we do that then undermine it with a release clause? Surely it would be one OR the other. If you believe that we were in the driving seat when the contract was being negotiated, with Bojan desperate to sign for us, and having nobody else to go to, then it makes no sense. If, however we were punching above our weight in trying to get him to sign, then it makes perfect sense. The five year deal gives him security, and stability, if he doesn't re-discover his form, while the release clause keeps his options open, if he does. As I said in my earlier post however, this is all irrelevant if Bojan is happy here, which I think he probably is. That's completely illogical. We're in the driving seat so we allow a shitty clause in? Nah.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 4:21:10 GMT
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Post by oldschool on Jan 3, 2016 4:21:10 GMT
Even if he is happy, for as long as I have a hole in my arse, his agent will always be looking to make a bonus, and to make a biiiiiig bonus, you need to facilitate a move! That's the major worry! And it will probably be via his agent, that the mirror have found out about his release clause! They really are the downfall of football!!!!
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Post by 99problems on Jan 3, 2016 4:47:24 GMT
Question, and I may have my facts wrong hence asking....
Wasn't Bojans father his agent, or at the very least a large part of him coming here. When he signed I read that he was tired of having his son peddled about Europe for years, not settling or being allowed to play where he loves (forced out on the wings) and actually wanted Bojan to bed in at one place for a good couple of years.
He's playing, settled and he's loved. We're also signing damn good players for him to play with.
If I'm right, I conclude that all parties might react negatively to an approach, if made.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 6:24:14 GMT
Post by NassauDave on Jan 3, 2016 6:24:14 GMT
Fuck off all cunts trying to buy the little matador.
He is our fucking prized asset so fuck right off you fucking cunts.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 6:46:46 GMT
Post by Northy on Jan 3, 2016 6:46:46 GMT
The release clause, if there is one, is £10m, if a bidding war starts it will obviously go higher
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 7:38:51 GMT
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Post by basingstokie on Jan 3, 2016 7:38:51 GMT
Surely the £10M is only relevant if he wants to go.
As for multiple bids forcing the £10M up - I can't see that. If the alleged clause is correct presumably as and when there will be a handful of £10M bids we have to accept and Bojan can then choose where he'd rather go
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 7:50:37 GMT
Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 3, 2016 7:50:37 GMT
Surely the £10M is only relevant if he wants to go. As for multiple bids forcing the £10M up - I can't see that. If the alleged clause is correct presumably as and when there will be a handful of £10M bids we have to accept and Bojan can then choose where he'd rather go Really? You reckon that if (as an extreme example) Real Madrid, Arsenal, Bayern Munich and PSG all wanted him as a key member of their squads, they'd all bid £10 million and leave it entirely up to him? They would bid against each other up to figures they valued him at and the winner would be invited to discuss terms with him - if they failed then the next highest bidder would discuss terms and so on. If the reserve price was £30 million your scenario would probably be correct but at £10 million no way. It is a bit like a conventional auction such as they have around the country every week. Many of the articles of any value have a reserve price - that doesn't mean that you are guaranteed to get the article if you bid the reserve price. I've seen articles which have been unsold as they failed to meet the reserve and other articles which have sold for many times the reserve price. Watch "flog it" on daytime TV to find out more!
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 7:57:06 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 3, 2016 7:57:06 GMT
Surely the £10M is only relevant if he wants to go. As for multiple bids forcing the £10M up - I can't see that. If the alleged clause is correct presumably as and when there will be a handful of £10M bids we have to accept and Bojan can then choose where he'd rather go That's my interpretation too. I pray he stays as he's a great player but in the end it doesn't matter if he goes for 10m or 30m as it's unlikely we'd reinvest it all anyway if the NZonzi deal is anything to go by. We're a well run club who with the odd exception like Shaq will keep trying to find these diamonds who will be with us for a couple of seasons before the megolamaniac chairman who can't find there own bargains start hovering over our club or similar clubs like Southampton looking for "squad players" Hopefully he'll look at Bego and NZonzi and see money aside that the grass isn't always greener on the other side. I just hope that we do our hardest to go the extra mile in keeping them and don't just allow them to leave without a fight and that if they do go we don't sell them to scumbag clubs like Chelsea or Liverpool.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 8:00:12 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 3, 2016 8:00:12 GMT
Surely the £10M is only relevant if he wants to go. As for multiple bids forcing the £10M up - I can't see that. If the alleged clause is correct presumably as and when there will be a handful of £10M bids we have to accept and Bojan can then choose where he'd rather go Really? You reckon that if (as an extreme example) Real Madrid, Arsenal, Bayern Munich and PSG all wanted him as a key member of their squads, they'd all bid £10 million and leave it entirely up to him? They would bid against each other up to figures they valued him at and the winner would be invited to discuss terms with him - if they failed then the next highest bidder would discuss terms and so on. If the reserve price was £30 million your scenario would probably be correct but at £10 million no way. It is a bit like a conventional auction such as they have around the country every week. Many of the articles of any value have a reserve price - that doesn't mean that you are guaranteed to get the article if you bid the reserve price. I've seen articles which have been unsold as they failed to meet the reserve and other articles which have sold for many times the reserve price. Watch "flog it" on daytime TV to find out more! Hope you're right and that if he goes he goes to a top eutopean club and not the likes of Chelsea or Liverpool who'd ruin him.
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Jan 3, 2016 8:22:53 GMT
Its about time stoke realise what assets Bojan and Arnie are. We need to do whatever it takes to keep them. They are the heart and soul of our team and if we want to progress we need to hold on to Arnie and Bojan at whatever cost to prove to them as well as us we are as ambitous as any other club. Please give them what they want because we need them to stay
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 8:23:58 GMT
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Post by Bombus on Jan 3, 2016 8:23:58 GMT
This was well nown when he signed , great profit on him if he goes good luck to the lad , Danny graham from Sunderland anyone
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 8:34:07 GMT
Post by gonk on Jan 3, 2016 8:34:07 GMT
Just been listening to talk sport and the mirror sports editor Jon cross has just been talking about this and I just hope this is bull,he mentioned arnie in the transfer window As well. Very unsettling with a lot of big games coming up. But 10 million release clause would be astonishing in a bad way. Jon Cross is Wengers bitch in the Pulis years he was for ever slaging us off .He has had to change is tune now but you can tell hearing him he does not like doing it.Funny we are playing Aresnal soon and have a chance to get to a final.
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Post by greenhoff74 on Jan 3, 2016 8:50:16 GMT
They've found out about this release clause because somebody is asking, And it's probably Bojans agent that's made the info available.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 9:17:07 GMT
Welcome to the world we now live in. The cold economic facts are if we sold Arnie and Bojan we would make a huge profit on what we paid for them, the trick is to have an A1 scouting network and an A1 academy to constantly replace the talent that's moving on to bigger things. And therein lies the difficulty as I don't think we're quite there on either front (certainly the academy anyway).
To say we held all the aces when we signed Bojan is wrong in my opinion, his stock was low at the time but it was still s stock to all, if the release clause is true (and I don't think it is by the way) then maybe just maybe it was the only way to secure his signature. A couple of good seasons and a twenty fold profit was the trade off, IF he ever goes I just hope he goes abroad not to a fellow Premier League team......
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 9:50:02 GMT
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Post by lee1982 on Jan 3, 2016 9:50:02 GMT
The thing for me is, has bojan really proved himself since returning from his injury. Im not knocking his performances, but surely if anyone was going to make a bid for him theyd want some reassurances over his levels of fitness. Dont get me wrong we all know what he is capable of and he has shown flashes of it this season, but there has also been a large number of games where he has looked anonymous. I think he's more than likely going to stay this window but if he continues to impress for the rest of the season, who knows what will happen come august. At least we have a little time to maybe negotiate an improved deal.
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Post by miggo on Jan 3, 2016 10:02:59 GMT
It makes perfect sense for there to be a release clause in. At the time Bojan was a player struggling to make an impact anywhere but he as any player who'd played at the highest level would have the belief that he could make it back some day.
10m doesn't seem a lot but at a 3m outlay we were making a considerable profit at the time. The important thing now is to renegotiate his contract get a £20-£25m release fee in but that's assuming he wants too.
Yes he says all the right things at the moment but if there is a release fee in his contract he wanted it there for a reason, let's just hope the last 18 months have had a big impact on him and he believes in the project we are building. Personally I can't see any of the bigger clubs in this country making an offer at this point they all have similar players and with a potential cup final to look forward to I can't see him leaving either. Let's just hope we get a decent result on Tuesday to stay in this competition and increase his likelihood of staying.
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Post by Davef on Jan 3, 2016 10:37:41 GMT
Its about time stoke realise what assets Bojan and Arnie are. What makes you think they don't?
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 10:38:40 GMT
Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 3, 2016 10:38:40 GMT
It would. Be good if the club could clarify this one . If it is true they can improve his contract and agree a higher release clause if he would agree to that . I'd be surprised if he went this month in any event
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 10:45:40 GMT
Can we at least stop from raging until he actually does go somewhere for 10 million, rather than let a newspaper who have provided such glorious made up stories as several years worth of stories that Lampard was going to Barcelona because of his Spanish missus or Suarez was definitely going for 40 million and 1 to Arsenal or he'd sue Liverpool wind us up?
This is a Stoke City who chased Yarmolenko and Konoplyanka (sp?) before signing Shaqiri. I'm more inclined to have a little faith in the board before I start believing the same people who said we paid 6 times as much for Bojan as our assistant manager said we did.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 10:46:10 GMT
Post by djduncanjames on Jan 3, 2016 10:46:10 GMT
Welcome to the world we now live in. The cold economic facts are if we sold Arnie and Bojan we would make a huge profit on what we paid for them, the trick is to have an A1 scouting network and an A1 academy to constantly replace the talent that's moving on to bigger things. And therein lies the difficulty as I don't think we're quite there on either front (certainly the academy anyway). To say we held all the aces when we signed Bojan is wrong in my opinion, his stock was low at the time but it was still s stock to all, if the release clause is true (and I don't think it is by the way) then maybe just maybe it was the only way to secure his signature. A couple of good seasons and a twenty fold profit was the trade off, IF he ever goes I just hope he goes abroad not to a fellow Premier League team...... I agree with you, we are not there yet but I can guarantee the bean counters, not necessarilly PC, will look at the Southampton model, and say KA-CHING! That's how you do it, entertaining footall with huge sell-on profits.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 10:48:23 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 3, 2016 10:48:23 GMT
Can we at least stop from raging until he actually does go somewhere for 10 million, rather than let a newspaper who have provided such glorious made up stories as several years worth of stories that Lampard was going to Barcelona because of his Spanish missus or Suarez was definitely going for 40 million and 1 to Arsenal or he'd sue Liverpool wind us up? This is a Stoke City who chased Yarmolenko and Konoplyanka (sp?) before signing Shaqiri. I'm more inclined to have a little faith in the board before I start believing the same people who said we paid 6 times as much for Bojan as our assistant manager said we did. Big thumbs up to this.
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 10:50:29 GMT
Post by spongebobflathead on Jan 3, 2016 10:50:29 GMT
Bojan seems a nice lad that's settled but let's not fall into the trap that so many supporters have from other clubs that he "like likes it here can't see him wanting to go "
History shows us that time and time again this proves to be a false hope , yes he might be settled but he (as with all footballers ) will be ambitious and whose to say he won't like it at Liverpool , Sevilla , Chelsea , if there's interest from big clubs let's not kid ourselves they will be off !
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Jan 3, 2016 11:06:49 GMT
Post by liamo on Jan 3, 2016 11:06:49 GMT
Welcome to the world we now live in. The cold economic facts are if we sold Arnie and Bojan we would make a huge profit on what we paid for them, the trick is to have an A1 scouting network and an A1 academy to constantly replace the talent that's moving on to bigger things. And therein lies the difficulty as I don't think we're quite there on either front (certainly the academy anyway). To say we held all the aces when we signed Bojan is wrong in my opinion, his stock was low at the time but it was still s stock to all, if the release clause is true (and I don't think it is by the way) then maybe just maybe it was the only way to secure his signature. A couple of good seasons and a twenty fold profit was the trade off, IF he ever goes I just hope he goes abroad not to a fellow Premier League team...... I agree with you, we are not there yet but I can guarantee the bean counters, not necessarilly PC, will look at the Southampton model, and say KA-CHING! That's how you do it, entertaining footall with huge sell-on profits. Southampton have an amazing academy, they also have amazing scouts that manage to replace the talent they always end up selling every year, we can't do the same, if we lose Arnie and Bojan (it's a big IF) then we're back to trying to survive relegation IMO, not to mention what Shaq would do if we sold them..
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 11:18:39 GMT
Post by djduncanjames on Jan 3, 2016 11:18:39 GMT
I agree with you, we are not there yet but I can guarantee the bean counters, not necessarilly PC, will look at the Southampton model, and say KA-CHING! That's how you do it, entertaining footall with huge sell-on profits. Southampton have an amazing academy, they also have amazing scouts that manage to replace the talent they always end up selling every year, we can't do the same, if we lose Arnie and Bojan (it's a big IF) then we're back to trying to survive relegation IMO, not to mention what Shaq would do if we sold them.. I think we are moving in that direction anyway. The fans get amazing players and the club makes huge profits. Might get a couple years out of these guys and then we start over again. However, I do think OUR scouting and Mark's own team combined are a good match for any club. We are trying on the Academy side too now. I just don't think we should kid ourselves that the club isn't thinking along these kinds of lines..
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Jan 3, 2016 11:19:17 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 3, 2016 11:19:17 GMT
Here comes the test Mr Scholes
Agents for Butland , Shaq . Arnie watching with intent there is only one way and that's a new contract for Bojan with a £30 million release In much the way Nzonzi was locked down by Sevilla .
We have lost two big players in the last window our response now will shape the future one way or the other will we walk the talk or not .
Personally I hope we sign Bojan , Arnie on new contracts if we don't the this window or next the inevitable will happen , buy shelvey to replace Nzonzi , Find a forward to cover for the clearly damaged Diouf and let Sidwell , Ireland , odemwinge go
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Post by rocket888888 on Jan 3, 2016 11:23:01 GMT
I think some people have forgotten where we were when we were signing Bojan. Its exactly the same situation when we got promoted and had to pay up for a bunch of players that were crucial to the first season but became deadweights in later years.
If you want to make the next level, you are only going to persuade players of that level to join if you offer them a better deal (whether it is 5yr contracts in the promotion case or buyout clauses in bojan's) than they can get from already established clubs of your target level.
I bet if the details of shakiri's contract were known there would be tears on here.
The good news is, future bojans won't need as much persuading - mainly because the players like Bojan have played for us.
He also isn't going to leave for 10m - there's really only half a dozen teams that are a big enough step up to make the risk of the move worth it and at least two of them would have a bidding war for him.
Relax....
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Post by vahl on Jan 3, 2016 11:29:31 GMT
Unfortunately for us, this is the kind of club we are. It's actually a good thing really. Buy small, sell big - this business model was put to us a season or 2 ago, wasn't it?
If we manage to hang on to a few of these players then it's even better but, let's be honest, regardless of how attached we get as fans, the players just want to be successful in the game and will always move around to achieve that.
Wollscheid will be catching the eye back home, Arnie is already in peoples eyes, Shaqiri is a world-wide household name and speaks for himself, Affellay is coming up towards his 30's and may want another crack at the big time - etc etc etc.
That being said, none of our big players will leave until the summer at least, IMO.
I think the £10m clause for Bojan is for Barcelona only as well - not everyone.
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Jan 3, 2016 11:32:08 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 3, 2016 11:32:08 GMT
Sunday people Arnie to Paris St G for info
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Jan 3, 2016 11:33:34 GMT
Post by djduncanjames on Jan 3, 2016 11:33:34 GMT
Unfortunately for us, this is the kind of club we are. It's actually a good thing really. Buy small, sell big - this business model was put to us a season or 2 ago, wasn't it? If we manage to hang on to a few of these players then it's even better but, let's be honest, regardless of how attached we get as fans, the players just want to be successful in the game and will always move around to achieve that. Wollscheid will be catching the eye back home, Arnie is already in peoples eyes, Shaqiri is a world-wide household name and speaks for himself, Affellay is coming up towards his 30's and may want another crack at the big time - etc etc etc. That being said, none of our big players will leave until the summer at least, IMO. I think the £10m clause for Bojan is for Barcelona only as well - not everyone. You know I thought that too. Barca has a vested interest in the sale and why would they hamstring profits by allowing others to bid? Who knows..
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Bojan
Jan 3, 2016 11:36:26 GMT
Post by liamo on Jan 3, 2016 11:36:26 GMT
Southampton have an amazing academy, they also have amazing scouts that manage to replace the talent they always end up selling every year, we can't do the same, if we lose Arnie and Bojan (it's a big IF) then we're back to trying to survive relegation IMO, not to mention what Shaq would do if we sold them.. I think we are moving in that direction anyway. The fans get amazing players and the club makes huge profits. Might get a couple years out of these guys and then we start over again. However, I do think OUR scouting and Mark's own team combined are a good match for any club. We are trying on the Academy side too now. I just don't think we should kid ourselves that the club isn't thinking along these kinds of lines.. Of course the club wants to turn over a decent profit i completely agree, but somehow losing Bojan and Arnie for a combined fee of £17.5m (worst case scenario) is scandalous, that's without even taking in to account Barca's sell on clause as well, it might all be complete bullshit for all we know, transfer window is open and the papers will always spout shit to get page views but if it's not how do we replace those 2 while still turning a profit? If it all is true (chances are it's not) why do we always give all the power to the player? We lost N'zonzi for fuck all and now Arnie's contract situation is looking dimmer and dimmer as time goes on, if we don't tie him down then we'll end up being forced to accept £7.5m in the summer
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