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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 27, 2015 12:09:13 GMT
Wolly just needs to calm down a bit, he loses his head too easily....when he and Butland collided going for the same ball he threw a right wobbler at Butland, don't know if Butland shouted but seen as Butland caught the ball he probably should have just had a bit of a go and then left it at that, but sometimes he just seems to lose it!!! That said, he is playing fantastic at the mo!!!
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 27, 2015 12:09:40 GMT
Wolly is technically a better footballer, great distribution but faye is exactly what we needed at that time, colussus of a defender. No way on earth is Wolly better technically than Faye was. As well as doing all the roughhouse stuff when necessary, Abdy was excellent on the ball. Probably the most assured defender in possession that I've ever seen at the Brit. If Faye had a weakness it was that he wasn't that quick. Other than that he was the complete defender for those first 12 months of his contract. Shame that he ate too many pies the following summer and was never quite the same after that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 12:11:55 GMT
For a centre half, Wolly's distribution is excellent.
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Post by silverdollar on Dec 27, 2015 12:21:33 GMT
In my opinion there are quite a few misguided views in this thread. Faye played under Pulis and Wollshied plays under Hughes and that has a tremendous influence on who you might consider is the best. The adjectives used to describe Faye are ridiculous and I would not go that far with Wollshied either. At times Faye was an absolute liability. Yes he was a monster of a man with a commanding persona but all the time he played with us he mainly played in the six yard box with eight and nine other defenders around him. When he played the expectancy levels were much lower. Pulis saw to that! Every match he would create a myth that we were minnows, no matter who we played. Any sort of result would be a miracle and of course the defence would get the plaudits. Faye was always willing to put his body on the line but that was it. When the ball was near him his responsibility was to clear his area and get the ball as far up the field as possible. Whenever the back line moved up beyond the edge of the penalty area Faye's total lack of pace became very evident and his game was littered with errors. Wollshied is not Husain Bolt either and his physique is different but the big but is that he is far more of a footballer than Faye ever was and he has to cope with his lack of pace whilst also taking responsibility for much more space against better players. Wollshied always creates the impression that he is always just about to make an error with his awkward movement but his record of clean sheets with Shawcross is impressive. Who is the best at distribution? No contest! Wollshied every day of the week. My opinion is that it is a really silly thread. Two different players at different times in Stoke's evolution. Some fan's hold Faye in high esteem but look at his career after leaving Stoke City! Wollshied has the rest of the season before he can really say he is established in the Premiership but on first impressions he is showing different class!
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Post by stiggerstackle on Dec 27, 2015 12:24:01 GMT
Faye did things with a ball at his feet on his own 6 yard line that no CB has a right to do, but it always came off.
As good as Wolly has become following an iffy start, he doesn't have Faye's assurance (yet) or outright menace...
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Post by outspaced on Dec 27, 2015 12:57:48 GMT
The comparison of Wolly to Bouldy is a fair one, Bouldy grew and grew in stature as a centre-half, it wasn't overnight that he became that good, and we were robbed at that tribunal when he left!
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Post by thestokielad on Dec 27, 2015 15:11:23 GMT
He's not faye yet but hes getting better and better and proved us all wrong
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Post by upthefud on Dec 27, 2015 16:17:06 GMT
Abdoulaye had the best individual season of any Stoke player I've seen over the last 21 years. I couldn't believe how good he was.
When Castle drew 0-0 with us in the Cup I thought we'd be fucked in the top flight if we were playing defenders like Faye played that night, fortunately Faye was a rare breed and for £2m one of the best signings in our history.
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Post by whydelilah on Dec 28, 2015 22:13:31 GMT
Most accurate passer: -
Affelay 95.5% (67 passes) Wollscheid 95.5% (44 passes) Whelan 94.9% (59 passes)
Most tackles: -
Wollscheid 6 Pieters 6
Most clearances: -
Wollscheid 10 Shawcross 9
Another good game from the big German.
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 28, 2015 22:16:08 GMT
Nothing to see here...
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 28, 2015 22:17:13 GMT
Foreign footballer in "needing time to settle down" shocker!
Well played Wolly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2015 22:17:49 GMT
Just remember Blackburn and how right everyone was.
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Post by superheroantonius on Dec 28, 2015 22:19:38 GMT
I like wolly but I doubt he would view conceding 3 goals as having a good game
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 28, 2015 22:23:26 GMT
He had a good game but he was better against Man Yoo. He's a bit of a Marc Wilson, assured and excellent but will drop one potentially costly mechabollock per game. Thankfully he gets away with it more often than not so far.
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Post by whydelilah on Dec 28, 2015 22:28:54 GMT
He had a good game but he was better against Man Yoo. He's a bit of a Marc Wilson, assured and excellent but will drop one potentially costly mechabollock per game. Thankfully he gets away with it more often than not so far. He probably saves us from 2 or 3 of those situations arising per match with his excellent reading of the game and perfectly timed interceptions cutting out the danger before it materialises.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 28, 2015 22:32:11 GMT
He had a good game but he was better against Man Yoo. He's a bit of a Marc Wilson, assured and excellent but will drop one potentially costly mechabollock per game. Thankfully he gets away with it more often than not so far. He probably saves us from 2 or 3 of those situations arising per match with his excellent reading of the game and perfectly timed interceptions cutting out the danger before it materialises. Absolutely. But if he costs goals then that's what people will focus on. Ryan doesn't do that. I like him though. Good finish from Joselu today
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Post by whydelilah on Dec 28, 2015 22:34:30 GMT
He probably saves us from 2 or 3 of those situations arising per match with his excellent reading of the game and perfectly timed interceptions cutting out the danger before it materialises. Absolutely. But if he costs goals then that's what people will focus on. Ryan doesn't do that. I like him though. Good finish from Joselu today We'll be very fortunate to find another Ryan. Great finish from Joselu. Still don't think he'll ever be a regular. I'd me more than happy for him to keep scoring and prove me wrong.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 28, 2015 22:44:18 GMT
Absolutely. But if he costs goals then that's what people will focus on. Ryan doesn't do that. I like him though. Good finish from Joselu today We'll be very fortunate to find another Ryan. Great finish from Joselu. Still don't think he'll ever be a regular. I'd me more than happy for him to keep scoring and prove me wrong. I think it's safe to say it's not time to cut our losses on him and he's worth giving some time to.
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Post by whydelilah on Dec 28, 2015 22:46:21 GMT
We'll be very fortunate to find another Ryan. Great finish from Joselu. Still don't think he'll ever be a regular. I'd me more than happy for him to keep scoring and prove me wrong. I think it's safe to say it's not time to cut our losses on him and he's worth giving some time to. If the manager plans on playing him for more than 30 minutes every 5th or 6th game then it's definitely not the time to get rid. Otherwise his value will more than likely just dwindle. I have a feeling he's still behind Bojan and Diouf in the pecking order so his game time will be limited.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 28, 2015 22:49:08 GMT
I think it's safe to say it's not time to cut our losses on him and he's worth giving some time to. If the manager plans on playing him for more than 30 minutes every 5th or 6th game then it's definitely not the time to get rid. Otherwise his value will more than likely just dwindle. I have a feeling he's still behind Bojan and Diouf in the pecking order so his game time will be limited. It's a squad game and he'll get his chances. Have we decided we were a bit hasty in deciding he was shit and should be sold at least?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2015 22:50:23 GMT
He had a good game but he was better against Man Yoo. He's a bit of a Marc Wilson, assured and excellent but will drop one potentially costly mechabollock per game. Thankfully he gets away with it more often than not so far. Head and shoulders above Wilson and this one major bollock per game thing just baffles me if I'm honest?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 28, 2015 22:53:04 GMT
He had a good game but he was better against Man Yoo. He's a bit of a Marc Wilson, assured and excellent but will drop one potentially costly mechabollock per game. Thankfully he gets away with it more often than not so far. Head and shoulders above Wilson and this one major bollock per game thing just baffles me if I'm honest? Southampton - got away with a pen. Citeh - let De Bruyne in and he should've scored. Palace - bad header led to penalty. Today - bad clearance at the end straight to Coleman. We're getting away with it and he's playing well overall but it's a niggle for me.
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Post by whydelilah on Dec 28, 2015 22:53:51 GMT
If the manager plans on playing him for more than 30 minutes every 5th or 6th game then it's definitely not the time to get rid. Otherwise his value will more than likely just dwindle. I have a feeling he's still behind Bojan and Diouf in the pecking order so his game time will be limited. It's a squad game and he'll get his chances. Have we decided we were a bit hasty in deciding he was shit and should be sold at least? The reason I said I'd get rid is because we may get some of our outlay back. If he sits around doing nothing his value will just dwindle. Personally I don't think he's a brilliant player. That isn't why I think I'd get rid though (it isn't anything personal). It just seems Hughes doesn't trust the lad that much despite spending 6 million on him.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 28, 2015 22:55:19 GMT
It's a squad game and he'll get his chances. Have we decided we were a bit hasty in deciding he was shit and should be sold at least? The reason I said I'd get rid is because we may get some of our outlay back. If he sits around doing nothing his value will just dwindle. Personally I don't think he's a brilliant player. That isn't why I think I'd get rid though (it isn't anything personal). It just seems Hughes doesn't trust the lad that much despite spending 6 million on him. Let's be honest, you've given him some considerable stick at times. You were a bit hasty, yes?
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Post by ashleyscfc on Dec 28, 2015 22:59:09 GMT
Could be considered at fault for both lukaku goals today? But that's not to say he hasn't being playing well recently. He made some odd passes today too. And he did have a shocker at Blackburn. But his form is good at the moment. And until that changes he stays in, but like all players there are some things to improve and do better next time. Video analysis should show you don't leave lukaku in the box on his own.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 28, 2015 23:00:38 GMT
Foreign footballer in "needing time to settle down" shocker! Well played Wolly. See Bojan, Joselu and Shaqiri
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Post by whydelilah on Dec 28, 2015 23:01:59 GMT
The reason I said I'd get rid is because we may get some of our outlay back. If he sits around doing nothing his value will just dwindle. Personally I don't think he's a brilliant player. That isn't why I think I'd get rid though (it isn't anything personal). It just seems Hughes doesn't trust the lad that much despite spending 6 million on him. Let's be honest, you've given him some considerable stick at times. You were a bit hasty, yes? No. I don't think I have. I stand by everything I said previously. He doesn't really bring anything new to the table. He scored with a good strike today. He won a penalty at Spurs a few months ago with a bit of good skill. He might do something good again in March. I don't think he's suited to leading the line as a lone striker. I don't think he's the "go to guy" as a game changer from the bench (yes, I'm aware he scored today doing just that), he doesn't have pace or strength and in general he doesn't pose much of a threat. He's neat and tidy and has good technique. That's about it. I don't understand why Hughes brought him to the club and based on his very fleeting appearances, maybe Hughes is having his own doubts too. Bojan is ahead of him in the pecking order, as is Diouf. You've then got Walters vying with him behind those two. I understand it's a squad game but I don't think we'd be worse off if he were to leave in Jan.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2015 23:02:18 GMT
Head and shoulders above Wilson and this one major bollock per game thing just baffles me if I'm honest? Southampton - got away with a pen. Citeh - let De Bruyne in and he should've scored. Palace - bad header led to penalty. Today - bad clearance at the end straight to Coleman. We're getting away with it and he's playing well overall but it's a niggle for me. Shawcross sucked out of position for Lukaku's 2nd, shit pass that let Noble In against West Ham, let Fellani ghost past him into the box the other day, got sent off against Sunderland at 0-0. Every defender makes a mistake in 90 minutes, not sure what constitutes a major bollock, both the Man City and Palace games were played in horrible swirling conditions for example, nowt to worry about as far as I'm concerned
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 28, 2015 23:03:20 GMT
Could be considered at fault for both lukaku goals today? But that's not to say he hasn't being playing well recently. He made some odd passes today too. And he did have a shocker at Blackburn. But his form is good at the moment. And until that changes he stays in, but like all players there are some things to improve and do better next time. Video analysis should show you don't leave lukaku in the box on his own. So where the fuck was Ryan? Absolute agenda ridden UTTER SHITE spouted about Wollschied by people desperate for their bile to be proved correct. Perhaps we should put in a £40million bid in for Stones to shore things up?
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Post by whydelilah on Dec 28, 2015 23:03:34 GMT
Could be considered at fault for both lukaku goals today? But that's not to say he hasn't being playing well recently. He made some odd passes today too. And he did have a shocker at Blackburn. But his form is good at the moment. And until that changes he stays in, but like all players there are some things to improve and do better next time. Video analysis should show you don't leave lukaku in the box on his own. First goal was Pieters. Second was dual responsibility for me. Neither Wolly or Pieters picked him up.
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