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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2015 5:09:35 GMT
He's only had 18 months Letting the ball bounce though is something no centre back should do. Stuff like that just gets to me. OK, I should have seen that coming from a tit like you Seriously though, Bayern. Do you really not rate him at all ? I think he's improved massively this season but these errors wind me up. I know they're human but I don't like the regularity of them. I don't think it's normal, far from it. I am overly harsh on defenders, always have been, always will be. But there's just something about him.
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Dec 27, 2015 5:23:19 GMT
OK, I should have seen that coming from a tit like you Seriously though, Bayern. Do you really not rate him at all ? I think he's improved massively this season but these errors wind me up. I know they're human but I don't like the regularity of them. I don't think it's normal, far from it. I am overly harsh on defenders, always have been, always will be. But there's just something about him. Is it those 'jazz hands' he does when he's got the ball at his feet ? That is amusing, admittedly !! But I do think he's doing a decent job tbf.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2015 5:24:08 GMT
I think he's improved massively this season but these errors wind me up. I know they're human but I don't like the regularity of them. I don't think it's normal, far from it. I am overly harsh on defenders, always have been, always will be. But there's just something about him. Is it those 'jazz hands' he does when he's got the ball at his feet ? That is amusing, admittedly !! But I do think he's doing a decent job tbf. He reminds me of a giraffe, maybe it's that?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 6:05:44 GMT
Any chance of people learning their lesson from this and not slating the next signing who isn't world class a few weeks after settling into the UK?
Maybe even learning the lesson from signing Glen Johnson that slating new signings before they've even kicked a ball isn't wise either?
Just maybe tone the wrist slashing down a bit next summer so people who come on looking for transfer rumours aren't having to trawl through page after page about how worried so and so is?
Call it a Christmas present to the non bi polar people reading the site.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 7:49:11 GMT
Has Bayern sunk that low when it comes to Wollscheid that he's trying to make an issue of the Butland incident 1st half which was pretty much nothing?
The lengths people go to rather than admitting they got something wrong eh?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 7:51:05 GMT
Shawcross let the ball bounce today and on a second occasion he was totally skinned by Fellaini.
Wollscheid was called out for getting skinned by someone three times as fast in Aluko.
Players are human. It happens.
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 27, 2015 8:10:36 GMT
He's done really well since coming back into the team but he's nowhere near as brilliant as Faye was.
Faye was so assured on the ball I'd still be totally relaxed as an attacker closed him down, safe in the knowledge that Abdy would sidestep him with his eyes closed. There was also his strength; Faye was a beast who was impossible to knock off the ball. He's the only defender who I've ever seen have the great Ricardo Fuller in his pocket for 90 minutes when he played for Newcastle.
Wolly, for as well as he's done, doesn't look as effortlessly calm on the ball. I still watch through my fingers a little bit when he has the ball at his feet, perhaps more due to his slightly awkward posture than any great list of ball-playing misdemeanors, but because he looks like he just might tread on the ball or fall over at any minute (even though he doesn't tend to) I still get jittery. He also doesn't seem as physically strong as he should for a bloke his size. He's not weak like Leon Cort was, where any attacker with a bit of muscle would toss him round like a rag doll all afternoon, but I still worry about him facing a slightly-annoyed looking Andy Carroll on any given afternoon.
Having said all that, he's certainly earned his place alongside Ryan at the moment, and proved a lot of us wrong (including me).
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Post by loyalstripey on Dec 27, 2015 8:24:05 GMT
Faye - No.
Steve Bould 1987/88. Yes..... made from the same mould if you ask me!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 8:24:57 GMT
Yes,you're crazy
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 27, 2015 8:44:55 GMT
Wooly is good but A.D. Faye was exceptional and arguably one of the best players we've ever had.
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Post by mozzer on Dec 27, 2015 8:59:31 GMT
wheres Carpslayer with his Hughes should never have sold Huth comments and Wollshite name slinging that usually pop up on the wolly threads....very quite by his absence
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Post by jonso on Dec 27, 2015 9:04:41 GMT
Faye - No. Steve Bould 1987/88. Yes..... made from the same mould if you ask me! When wolly runs, he reminds me of Bouldt with that slightly gay hands splayed out run.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 27, 2015 9:08:50 GMT
Wollschied this season reminds me so much of Faye in his first season with us. Am I the only one that feels this? Am I crazy? At times Faye was a one man defence that season. The fact that we let the opposition have the ball and we were such underdogs that season also meant Faye had to do a lot more defending than Wolly. If there's one aspect of Wolly that concerns me it's that he can be a bit lightweight at times. Faye was as far from lightweight as you get. That said Wolly has been largely superb and seems to be getting better all the time.....he could go on to play an even bigger role for us than the mighty Abdoulaye.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 27, 2015 9:09:32 GMT
Faye - No. Steve Bould 1987/88. Yes..... made from the same mould if you ask me! When wolly runs, he reminds me of Bouldt with that slightly gay hands splayed out run. I bet you wouldn't tell either of them that though!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2015 9:47:04 GMT
I was surprised with the praise for Shawcross when I got back in tbh. I thought they both struggled at times (hence why I was shitting myself for 60 minutes of the game). Ryan recovered his own mistakes, Wolly had others to cover his. All of the back 4 were skinned at least once, it's one of the reasons I didn't enjoy 60 minutes of the game! How is the 'keeper and his centre half having a barney on the pitch nothing? Especially when it comes after proper schoolboy defending. It was a massive mistake. Again, luckily it didn't cost us.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 27, 2015 9:50:00 GMT
I was surprised with the praise for Shawcross when I got back in tbh. I thought they both struggled at times (hence why I was shitting myself for 60 minutes of the game). Ryan recovered his own mistakes, Wolly had others to cover his. All of the back 4 were skinned at least once, it's one of the reasons I didn't enjoy 60 minutes of the game! How is the 'keeper and his centre half having a barney on the pitch nothing? Especially when it comes after proper schoolboy defending. It was a massive mistake. Again, luckily it didn't cost us. It was as easy a 3 points as we are likely to get. Ryan was superb as was wooly. We've played better for sure, but we were never in any trouble and from minute 1 there was only ever going to be one winner.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 9:56:34 GMT
I was surprised with the praise for Shawcross when I got back in tbh. I thought they both struggled at times (hence why I was shitting myself for 60 minutes of the game). Ryan recovered his own mistakes, Wolly had others to cover his. All of the back 4 were skinned at least once, it's one of the reasons I didn't enjoy 60 minutes of the game! How is the 'keeper and his centre half having a barney on the pitch nothing? Especially when it comes after proper schoolboy defending. It was a massive mistake. Again, luckily it didn't cost us. A barney fuck me you must lead a sheltered life, 20 minutes later they were happily chatting away as they walked off the pitch. Massive mistake my arse you're embarrassing yourself now
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2015 9:58:43 GMT
I was surprised with the praise for Shawcross when I got back in tbh. I thought they both struggled at times (hence why I was shitting myself for 60 minutes of the game). Ryan recovered his own mistakes, Wolly had others to cover his. All of the back 4 were skinned at least once, it's one of the reasons I didn't enjoy 60 minutes of the game! How is the 'keeper and his centre half having a barney on the pitch nothing? Especially when it comes after proper schoolboy defending. It was a massive mistake. Again, luckily it didn't cost us. It was as easy a 3 points as we are likely to get. Ryan was superb as was wooly. We've played better for sure, but we were never in any trouble and from minute 1 there was only ever going to be one winner. I don't think it was. And that's why I think Butland's save got the ovation it did, that goes in there and I think we end up drawing. They had the momentum, we barely touched the ball from Arnie missing the sitter and I never felt comfortable. I know a lot disagree but I think the Arnie miss is what scared me, we should have been home and hosed there but we weren't, it just stank of coming back to haunt us. Fortunately (not because he's brilliant) Butland saved our arses on a few occasions and their finishing was as good as ours.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2015 10:01:09 GMT
I was surprised with the praise for Shawcross when I got back in tbh. I thought they both struggled at times (hence why I was shitting myself for 60 minutes of the game). Ryan recovered his own mistakes, Wolly had others to cover his. All of the back 4 were skinned at least once, it's one of the reasons I didn't enjoy 60 minutes of the game! How is the 'keeper and his centre half having a barney on the pitch nothing? Especially when it comes after proper schoolboy defending. It was a massive mistake. Again, luckily it didn't cost us. A barney fuck me you must lead a sheltered life, 20 minutes later they were happily chatting away as they walked off the pitch. Massive mistake my arse you're embarrassing yourself now So letting the ball bounce, having no idea that a Man Yoo player was close and then fucking up trying to recover the mistake isn't massive? Give over. It was a comedy of errors that sum him up. He did play well generally but that was just horrible.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 27, 2015 10:03:26 GMT
Keepers should save every shot, defenders should never make a mistake, defensive midfielders must win every tackle, attacking midfielders must never mis a pass and forwards should score off every shot.
Welcome to Bayern's world.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 27, 2015 10:07:21 GMT
It was as easy a 3 points as we are likely to get. Ryan was superb as was wooly. We've played better for sure, but we were never in any trouble and from minute 1 there was only ever going to be one winner. I don't think it was. And that's why I think Butland's save got the ovation it did, that goes in there and I think we end up drawing. They had the momentum, we barely touched the ball from Arnie missing the sitter and I never felt comfortable. I know a lot disagree but I think the Arnie miss is what scared me, we should have been home and hosed there but we weren't, it just stank of coming back to haunt us. Fortunately (not because he's brilliant) Butland saved our arses on a few occasions and their finishing was as good as ours. You are either mad as a box of frogs, a bloke of very nervous disposition, a frustrated ex player who talks a better game than he could ever play or a messageboard troll. I don't think you're the latter so you must be one of the former. Regardless, what is abundantly clear is that you'll never ever be happy with anything. Butlands save was fortunate and not because he's brilliant? That has to be one of the most ridiculous comments I've ever read. It was a great save by the best keeper in the premier league. There was nothing fortunate about it.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 27, 2015 10:08:00 GMT
I don't think it was. And that's why I think Butland's save got the ovation it did, that goes in there and I think we end up drawing. But it didn't go in & we didn't end up drawing. Anyone else sees what actually happened, we won 2-0, yet another clean sheet, great stuff. You see things that didn't actually happen but you'll pretend they did anyway, that way you can carry on with this shit about every single Stoke player not being 100% perfect for every single second of every match.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 10:10:44 GMT
Faye was more athletic than Wolly, so I don't think it's a great comparison. He's doing really well this season though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2015 10:10:51 GMT
I don't think it was. And that's why I think Butland's save got the ovation it did, that goes in there and I think we end up drawing. But it didn't go in & we didn't end up drawing. Anyone else sees what actually happened, we won 2-0, yet another clean sheet, great stuff. You see things that didn't actually happen but you'll pretend they did anyway, that way you can carry on with this shit about every single Stoke player not being 100% perfect for every single second of every match. No we didn't. It was a massive moment in the game though and highlights that it wasn't comfortable. People were having a go at the MOTD highlights for the second half but they controlled the game and had all the chances that half, it wasn't biased, that's what happened. Hang on, what didn't happen? Everything I have mentioned happened.
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 27, 2015 10:15:31 GMT
Wolly didn't do a warm up like Faye did in his flip flops
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Post by chiswickpotter on Dec 27, 2015 10:18:42 GMT
But it didn't go in & we didn't end up drawing. Anyone else sees what actually happened, we won 2-0, yet another clean sheet, great stuff. You see things that didn't actually happen but you'll pretend they did anyway, that way you can carry on with this shit about every single Stoke player not being 100% perfect for every single second of every match. No we didn't. It was a massive moment in the game though and highlights that it wasn't comfortable. People were having a go at the MOTD highlights for the second half but they controlled the game and had all the chances that half, it wasn't biased, that's what happened. Hang on, what didn't happen? Everything I have mentioned happened. At 2-0 up we sat back, they had 15 or 20 minutes when they upped their game as teams 2-0 down have to but we weathered it well, Butland having to make one save of note and a few corners to defend, none of which threatened us. Let's not forget we have only conceded a goal in 3 of our last 11 games so it is pretty clear we can defend and are comfortable playing deep. Having weathered the storm we then started creating again, Arnie falling over, Bojan surging into the box and Afellay on a mazy run were all better efforts than they managed all afternoon and that was despite your favourite player Van Ginkel having to play half a game. We beat a team that started the day in the top for comfortably without being on top form.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 27, 2015 10:21:24 GMT
No we didn't. It was a massive moment in the game though and highlights that it wasn't comfortable. People were having a go at the MOTD highlights for the second half but they controlled the game and had all the chances that half, it wasn't biased, that's what happened. Hang on, what didn't happen? Everything I have mentioned happened. At 2-0 up we sat back, they had 15 or 20 minutes when they upped their game as teams 2-0 down have to but we weathered it well, Butland having to make one save of note and a few corners to defend, none of which threatened us. Let's not forget we have only conceded a goal in 3 of our last 11 games so it is pretty clear we can defend and are comfortable playing deep. Having weathered the storm we then started creating again, Arnie falling over, Bojan surging into the box and Afellay on a mazy run were all better efforts than they managed all afternoon and that was despite your favourite player Van Ginkel having to play half a game. We beat a team that started the day in the top for comfortably without being on top form. What do you mean we had to defend for 20 minutes against a team with players costing more than our entire 11? Scandalous Hughes, sort it out.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2015 10:25:26 GMT
No we didn't. It was a massive moment in the game though and highlights that it wasn't comfortable. People were having a go at the MOTD highlights for the second half but they controlled the game and had all the chances that half, it wasn't biased, that's what happened. Hang on, what didn't happen? Everything I have mentioned happened. At 2-0 up we sat back, they had 15 or 20 minutes when they upped their game as teams 2-0 down have to but we weathered it well, Butland having to make one save of note and a few corners to defend, none of which threatened us. Let's not forget we have only conceded a goal in 3 of our last 11 games so it is pretty clear we can defend and are comfortable playing deep. Having weathered the storm we then started creating again, Arnie falling over, Bojan surging into the box and Afellay on a mazy run were all better efforts than they managed all afternoon and that was despite your favourite player Van Ginkel having to play half a game. We beat a team that started the day in the top for comfortably without being on top form. He made a few decent saves. And like mentioned above every one of defenders got skinned at least once which hasn't happened very often this season! I was worried, I'm glad others weren't but I was shitting my pants and that's how I judge it. I think we got better when Diouf came on but you say we started creating again, nothing was actually created from any of those things. They're not a top 4 team though, they've lost their last 4 games including at home to Norwich and away to Bournemouth. We were favourites (in most of our eyes) for a reason. That reason is that at the minute they are an absolutely piss poor side in the doldrums who aren't playing for their manager.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Dec 27, 2015 10:34:10 GMT
Wolly is technically a better footballer, great distribution but faye is exactly what we needed at that time, colussus of a defender.
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Post by andylgr on Dec 27, 2015 10:56:59 GMT
He may move around the pitch looking like he's camper than a row of tents but he's been in great form for most of the season. Him and Ryan were immense yesterday.
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